quote:Yeah some kids you just know. Others play with trucks, play football when they're older, and still like dudes. Who knows, and more importantly why does it matter? Straight people just can't stop producing Gays.quote:Not to mention that kids can show tendencies far before they have any understanding of sexuality. When I was growing up, my best friends little brother was always in his mother's closet.
No idea, but it sure seems like there has to be some kind of genetic component considering it just won't go away no matter how hard people have tried to make it.
We were only a few years older and just thought he was a little strange. As we grew older, it was more of a WTF is wrong with your brother.
He came out in high school, in the 80's. Hardly anyone was that open about it in high school back then. Looking back, he really didn't have a choice. The kid was way too feminine to hide it.
Prevalence of Homosexuality in men is stable throughout time..
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If champion keeping age of consent where it is and would fight against anything lower than 16. Mary for instance couldn't have given consent at her very young age.
Why do you get to choose, love wins!! You referenced that society deemed children weren't able to consent yet being the only thing wrong with pedophilia, which is pretty sick. With your views on morality you couldn't help but accede pedophilia as moral.
quote:Late to the party and you seem on my side, but Astro's got a point. However many gay people you think you know, you actually know a lot more who can pass for straight.quote:
Being gay doesn't make you feminine.
I did't say him being feminine MADE him gay. I believe he was feminine because he is gay. I would bet that most gay men don't identify with women. However, he was incredibly feminine by the age of three and that continued.
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We've changed the age of consent before, we could certainly do it again. It's all arbitrary to some extent.
Sure, but being attracted to post pubescent teens isn't really considered pedophilia is it?
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We've changed the age of consent before, we could certainly do it again. It's all arbitrary to some extent.
Sure, but being attracted to post pubescent teens isn't really considered pedophilia is it?
That seems like a question wbt would be more qualified to answer, don't you think?
heterosexuals are perverts.
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We've changed the age of consent before, we could certainly do it again. It's all arbitrary to some extent.
Sure, but being attracted to post pubescent teens isn't really considered pedophilia is it?
It shouldn't be, and as someone who hates government in most all forms, this puzzles me. Can a sexually mature 16 year old consent? 100 years ago almost everyone would say yes. Now almost everyone says no. Throughout history any post pubescent "woman" would have been considered ready for marriage.
This is a difficult one for me as Christian and as a Libertarian.
And before I get pc policed m, proper consent is first and foremost when discussing this topic.
quote:No one in that thread said anything of the sort.
Oh bull****, your frot buddy Maplethorpe constantly disallows whatever he needs to make his inanity seem less outlandish
quote:And that has what to do with me or that thread?
Usually declaring that something wasn't in the earliest biblical iteration so it doesn't count, or Jesus was acruelly gay while having an affair with Mary Magdalene.
quote:It would make more sense than your defense of Ezekiel's prophecies or the omnipresence of mary, or mother Teresa's miracle. You've said much more absurd things.
If you're not smart enough to throw a flag when you see me trying to refer to the apocrypha over the Bible (which you should know is included in my bible), I've got some plexus to sell you
Don't forget the eye scales!
quote:I never said sexual attraction toward a child is equal. It's disgusting. What the hell are you talking about? How did you get this so twisted that you included me in the pedo comparison? I stand for homosexual equality. I referred to your comparison of Homosexuals to rapists/child molesters as being a desperate reach. I told you 2 posts ago that pedophiles are horrible. Go back and read it. You're mixed up.quote:
You've been told the absurdity of the comparison. Yet you keep dropping questions while trying to manipulate the conversation. Simply because you refuse to accept it. Even though what others and I have posted are logical.
Inb4Irefusetoacceptwhat?
Yes, I've been told the absurdity of the comparison, by people who are wrong. What is logical about homosexual attraction, heterosexual attraction, and being sexually attracted to children being equal? If that doesn't sound ridiculously ****ed up to you, you should have an ankle bracelet on and not be allowed 100 feet from a school bus stop. The idea that the only thing wrong with a grown man having sex with a child is that society has determined the child can't consent is so completely grotesque, I'm going to hope you're just trolling
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To reiterate..
Your attempt to insinuate that the homosexual equality movement could be a gateway to eventual acceptance of child molestaton/rape is pretty grotesque in its own right.
Your attempt to insinuate that the homosexual equality movement could be a gateway to eventual acceptance of child molestaton/rape is pretty grotesque in its own right.
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To reiterate..
Your attempt to insinuate that the homosexual equality movement could be a gateway to eventual acceptance of child molestaton/rape is pretty grotesque in its own right.
Reread what your buddy funkymonkey wrote regarding pedophilia being completely natural, and wrong only because society presently deems children unable to appropriately consent. Obviously society seems to be embracing the "love wins" philosophy, and I have no doubt that pedophilia will be seen as more and more "natural" as society continues to evolve, until the point that saving 8 year olds from the affections of grown men will be seen as bigotry and being on the wrong side of history.
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To reiterate..
Your attempt to insinuate that the homosexual equality movement could be a gateway to eventual acceptance of child molestaton/rape is pretty grotesque in its own right.
Reread what your buddy funkymonkey wrote regarding pedophilia being completely natural, and wrong only because society presently deems children unable to appropriately consent. Obviously society seems to be embracing the "love wins" philosophy, and I have no doubt that pedophilia will be seen as more and more "natural" as society continues to evolve, until the point that saving 8 year olds from the affections of grown men will be seen as bigotry and being on the wrong side of history.
What? The dude called pedophilia completely natural and said that society had arbitrarily decided to criminalize it. The post got 5 blue stars, someone had to agree with it.
quote:There is a big difference between discussing whether the age of consent should be 16 or 17 rather than 18 and pretending 8 year olds are even part of the discussion. Stop being purposefully obtuse all the time.
What? The dude called pedophilia completely natural and said that society had arbitrarily decided to criminalize it. The post got 5 blue stars, someone had to agree with it.
quote:quote:There is a big difference between discussing whether the age of consent should be 16 or 17 rather than 18 and pretending 8 year olds are even part of the discussion. Stop being purposefully obtuse all the time.
What? The dude called pedophilia completely natural and said that society had arbitrarily decided to criminalize it. The post got 5 blue stars, someone had to agree with it.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with postpubescent teens
quote:Every indication is that our attractions are inherent and naturally occurring whether it be heterosexuality, homosexuality or pedophilia. What makes pedophilia abhorrent is that acting on it requires a victim, a child who cannot consent. If you look at history you will see that as we have become more open and accepting of things like homosexuality we have also seen increases in the age of consent. In the golden age where heterosexuality ruled the day and homosexuals were repressed for fear of being beaten or killed the age of consent was much much lower. I don't see any reason to believe people will suddenly decide the age of consent should be significantly lower than it is though it is a fact that where we draw that line right now is entirely arbitrary. That may feel uncomfortable to you if you insist on pretending the world is black and white but the world isn't black and white.quote:
To reiterate..
Your attempt to insinuate that the homosexual equality movement could be a gateway to eventual acceptance of child molestaton/rape is pretty grotesque in its own right.
Reread what your buddy funkymonkey wrote regarding pedophilia being completely natural, and wrong only because society presently deems children unable to appropriately consent. Obviously society seems to be embracing the "love wins" philosophy, and I have no doubt that pedophilia will be seen as more and more "natural" as society continues to evolve, until the point that saving 8 year olds from the affections of grown men will be seen as bigotry and being on the wrong side of history.
It's fascinating that many of us feel consensual adulthood is a good enough standard even if there may be some flexibility in what we define as consensual adulthood but the naysayers insist on pretending that this results in pedophilia. Allowing gays to marry or legalizing polygamy or incest amongst adults brings us no closer to legal pedophilia than allowing straight adults to marry does.
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It's fascinating that many of us feel consensual adulthood is a good enough standard even if there may be some flexibility in what we define as consensual adulthood but the naysayers insist on pretending that this results in pedophilia. Allowing gays to marry or legalizing polygamy or incest amongst adults brings us no closer to legal pedophilia than allowing straight adults to marry does.
Does classifying a mental disorder listed in the DSM as "as natural as homosexuality and heterosexuality" bring us closer to legal pedophilia? It certainly sounds like an endorsement to me
quote:No. It's just a fact. There are lots of natural things we don't like whether it be pedophilia, in your case homosexuality, or schizophrenia. that are natural. Whether we list it in the DSM or not is irrelevant if it naturally occurs in humans or nature.quote:
It's fascinating that many of us feel consensual adulthood is a good enough standard even if there may be some flexibility in what we define as consensual adulthood but the naysayers insist on pretending that this results in pedophilia. Allowing gays to marry or legalizing polygamy or incest amongst adults brings us no closer to legal pedophilia than allowing straight adults to marry does.
Does classifying a mental disorder listed in the DSM as "as natural as homosexuality and heterosexuality" bring us closer to legal pedophilia? It certainly sounds like an endorsement to me
Naturally occurs in human nature? Wouldn't a disorder be considered unnatural? What definition are you using for natural? Anything that is observed in the universe?
quote:I'm using natural to mean something that naturally arises in nature without artificial influence. I realize this is different from catholics definition of "we define this as being the purpose for that so if it doesn't fit the purpose we made up then it's not natural." That is thinly veiled religion.
Naturally occurs in human nature? Wouldn't a disorder be considered unnatural? What definition are you using for natural? Anything that is observed in the universe?
quote:quote:I'm using natural to mean something that naturally arises in nature without artificial influence. I realize this is different from catholics definition of "we define this as being the purpose for that any so if it doesn't fit that purpose we made up then it's not natural." That is thinly veiled religion.
Naturally occurs in human nature? Wouldn't a disorder be considered unnatural? What definition are you using for natural? Anything that is observed in the universe?
Aristotle wasnt Catholic. Your definition is extremely wanting, but if you want to whitewash any sort of bizarre behavior exhibited in the observable universe as natural, I guess I'm powerless to stop you. The born this way argument will surely be of help to NAMBLA during their Supreme Court case, hopefully they can borrow the same lawyer from their fellow gay pride parade marchers
A person with a face in the back of his head has occurred before, "it's natural" is a pretty poor descriptor of that phenomenon
quote:Being a sociopath is natural too and it doesn't mean they can murder people without consequence. You seem to be under the false impression that homosexual marriage is legal because homosexuals are born that way when it's because homosexual adults should be free to enter a contract together. It doesn't matter if they were born that way or not.quote:quote:I'm using natural to mean something that naturally arises in nature without artificial influence. I realize this is different from catholics definition of "we define this as being the purpose for that any so if it doesn't fit that purpose we made up then it's not natural." That is thinly veiled religion.
Naturally occurs in human nature? Wouldn't a disorder be considered unnatural? What definition are you using for natural? Anything that is observed in the universe?
Aristotle wasnt Catholic. Your definition is extremely wanting, but if you want to whitewash any sort of bizarre behavior exhibited in the observable universe as natural, I guess I'm powerless to stop you. The born this way argument will surely be of help to NAMBLA during their Supreme Court case, hopefully they can borrow the same lawyer from their fellow gay pride parade marchers
Homosexuals being born that way and being allowed to marry brings us not closer to legalizing pedophilia than heterosexuals being born that way and being allowed to marry gets us to pedophilia.
The hurdle pedophiles would have to get past is consent of children and it's a hurdle that is entirely different than anything to do with homosexuals, heterosexuals, incestuous relationships or polygamous relationships. Pedophiles face an entirely different legal dilemma and it's ignorant and false to pretend that any of the previous relationships get us any closer to their desires being legalized.
quote:Only if you insist on defining natural as normal or common. Being very smart is not normal or common. Being left handed isn't normal or common. The athleticism of professional athletes isn't normal or common. All these things are still however natural.
A person with a face in the back of his head has occurred before, "it's natural" is a pretty poor descriptor of that phenomenon
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It being a poor descriptor doesn't mean it's innacurate. Words like deformity, mutation, and abnormality are all better descriptors. Unnatural is just wrong. Saying that that situation is natural is like describing a train by calling it metallic. It's true, but it doesn't offer much information.
Again, we're using different forms of the weird nature, look at the other definitions. It makes no sense to argue about things that are visible in nature that are clearly disordered, I obviously know that pedophiles and gay people exist, that's not what we'relse discussing
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