And I would say that's a problem.

we'll see.

Where is Shep Smith when you need him? SHEP! where are you when we need someone to plead for a presidential presence in a situation?!?!

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Edit-this is Lovelight

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Why wife does this all the time with my facebook.

Works well:

how does isreal need our support right now? don't WE need support right now from our allies since our embassies are being attacked? maybe Morsi is the more important one to meet with right now considering all the chaos down there..... and maybe looking for support from russia should be considered since they deal with the same issues within their own borders

gordo. We have supported Israel since 1948; that is not going to change. Easier to find another thing to blame on Obama, that look at the long-term picture. We will be up S creek without Egypt's involvement.

i agree pro-g..... since there's all that crap going down over there i can see why obama has more pressing meetings right now

Gordo,

Do you not think that the Mideast issues are connected? This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum and the way the US treats Israel has an effect on the rest of the mideast.

Which is why Obama should meet with BOTH, its his job after all...


[This message has been edited by Mrs. Lovelight (edited 9/13/2012 11:07a).]

ok..... how about this? don't you think he's letting arab countries know they better keep peace with israel?

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"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy. They're a new government that is trying to find its way," Obama replied in what, by the standards of diplomatic talk, amounted to a blunt warning.

"They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident. How they respond to, for example, maintaining the peace treaty with Israel," he added.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-warns-egypt-ally-enemy-140958144--election.html

He has an opportunity to back up his words with action.

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Show me your faith without works and I will. Show you my faith by my works

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....paraphrase of James 2:something or other

ok..... how about this?

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The Pentagon ordered two warships to the Libyan coast in the aftermath of the attack in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador and three others, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

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http://news.yahoo.com/us-officials-2-warships-moving-toward-libya-231547807.html

I have no doubt that this admin wants to protect their diplomats. I have doubts that they are committed to Israel.

So why are you against showing support for our ally Israel?

they aren't really an ally. more like a useful lackey that we pay.

So why are you against showing support for our ally Israel?
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i am not so stop picking a fight..... i think we are still supporting israel.... read my above post again where i copied this

"They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident. How they respond to, for example, maintaining the peace treaty with Israel," he added.

[This message has been edited by gordo97 (edited 9/13/2012 11:52a).]

I'm not picking a fight I'm simply responding to your questions and thought I would ask one of my own, don't be so defensive.

I read that and words are nice but works will prove the words to be true so what's wrong with scheduling a meeting with Netanyahu to show our continued support? Is there something I'm missing here? I'm not a dispensationalist so if there is some dispensationalists theory out there that some might read into this situation please enlighten me.
For me it's simply a matter of showing public support for our ally.

for me it's showing support for Israel by meeting with a potential enemy of theirs (depending on which way the newly elected egyptian gov't turns) and telling them they better keep peace with Israel...... Netnayahu can wait to hear the results later

Israel can wait huh?! Ok, we'll see how that works out. Btw, I'm am curious to know if you think a person support for Israel had anything to do with their escatology?

Lovelight why are you arguing so strongly for Isreal?

Israel can wait huh?!
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yes..... our embassies are burning down in 3 different countries..... talking to those countries has priority

Sbd,

Because they are our allies. Why do you think I support Israel?

I feel like I'm in Idiocracy now.

Well I think our policy in the Mideast should be more comprehensive rather than piecemealing.

Btw let me repeat the question,, do you think that a persons support for Israel has anything to do with their escatology?

Sorry I assumed you would know what eschatology means..it's basically doctrine/views on end times.


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i know what escathology means.... i just don't have much interest in it since revelations is the most confusing book in the Bible

i do think that escathology influences how a person views israel

it can. it surely affects the "left behind" and Hagee crowd.

Gordo,

Well I think it would serve you well to do away with your template until you know for sure wha t a person believes. That's just intellectual laziness...

do away with your template until you know for sure wha t a person believes. That's just intellectual laziness
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and what is this in relation to? something i said?

Schemendler,

Not every Christian believes that stuff though and i see a lot of assumptions being made about what people believe. A lot of this comes from ignorance and intellectual lazinessness.

Yes your admission that people support Israel because of their end time views. Be quick to listen, rather than making assumptions. Do you think my support for Israel is connected to my views on the end times?

i know. there are a lot of preterists and partial preterists, etc.

Yes your admission that people support Israel because of their end time views. Be quick to listen, rather than making assumptions. Do you think my support for Israel is connected to my views on the end times?
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i did not make that assumption about you.... especially since i have no idea what your views on end times are

Gordo,

Well you can just answer my question just to make yourself perfectly clear...that way I won't have to try and figure what your thinking.

i see........ sorry about that.... i usually write short sentences

gordo,

Well no answer could have been shorter than a "yes" or " no".

Schemendler,

Do you know what those mean?

from now on i will only have 4 possible answers to a person's question:

1. yes
2. no
3. maybe
4. beer