Pres. Thomas Monson relates how Harvards Clayton Christensen got Book of Mormon test

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/700193923/At-BYU-Pres-Thomas-Monson-relates-how-Harvards-Clayton-Christensen-got-Book-of-Mormon-testimony.html

-This is really a valuable and telling true story for those of you (which is almost all on this R&P Board) who refuse to read the Book of Mormon with the courage and steadfast determination to ask your Father in Heaven, in real faith, nothing wavering, whether it is true!

Here are a couple of excerpts:

... May I share with you the experience of Brother Clayton M. Christensen as he sought to know for himself. Brother Christensen has served in many positions of leadership in the Church, including as an Area Seventy. He has received far too many academic awards for me to mention here. He is currently the Robert and Jane Cizik Professor of Business Administration at the Harvard Business School. He is also an alumnus of Brigham Young University, and I believe his son Spencer and daughter Catherine are currently students here.

When Brother Christensen finished his schooling at Brigham Young University, he received a scholarship to go to Oxford University in England as a Rhodes Scholar. When he arrived at Oxford, he realized that it would be somewhat challenging to be an active member of the Church in Oxford. The Rhodes Scholarship Trust that had given him his scholarship had a lot of activities for the recipients of the scholarship, and if he were going to be active in the Church it would be difficult for him to participate in those activities. He intended to obtain in just two years a degree in applied econometrics — a program which took most students three years to complete.

This, of course added to his lack of extra time. He realized, as he thought through how involved in the Church he could be, that he didn't even know for certain if the Book of Mormon was true. He realized that he had read the Book of Mormon seven times up to that point, and that after each of those seven times he had knelt in prayer and had asked God to tell him if it was true. He had received no answer. As he thought through why he hadn't received an answer, he realized that each time he had read the Book of Mormon, it was because of an assignment, either from his parents or a BYU instructor or his mission president or a seminary teacher, and his chief objective had been to finish the book. But now, as he was about to commence his studies at Oxford, he realized that he desperately needed to know if the Book of Mormon was true.

He recognized, as well, that he had sustained himself on a belief in many of the doctrines of the Church and in his parents, because he knew they knew it was true, and he trusted his parents. Here he was, however, desperately needing to know for himself if it was true...

... Then Brother Christensen would sit in the chair and read. He began by reading the first page of the Book of Mormon, and when he got down to the bottom of the page, he stopped, and he thought about what he had read on that page, and he asked himself, "Could this have been written by a charlatan who was trying to deceive people, or was this really written by a prophet of God? And what did it mean for Clayton Christensen in his life? And then he put the book down and knelt in prayer and verbally asked God again, "Please tell me if this is a true book." Then he would sit in the chair and pick up the book and turn the page and read another page, pause at the bottom, and do the same thing. He did this for an hour every night — night after night — in that cold, damp room at the Queen's College in Oxford.

By the time Brother Christensen got to the chapters at the end of 2nd Nephi, one evening when he said his prayer and sat in his chair and opened the book, all of a sudden there came into that room a beautiful, warm, loving spirit that just surrounded him and permeated his soul, and enveloped him in a feeling of love that he had not imagined he could feel. He began to cry, and he didn't want to stop crying because as he looked through his tears at the words in the Book of Mormon, he could see truth in those words that he never imagined he could comprehend before. He could see the glories of eternity and what God had in store for him as one of His sons. Brother Christensen said he didn't want to stop crying. That spirit stayed with him for the whole hour, and then every evening as he prayed and sat with the Book of Mormon by the little heater in his room, that same spirit returned, and it changed his heart and his life forever.

President Ezra Taft Benson , 13th President of the church, said (in the October 1985 General Conference of the church), "When you choose to follow Christ, you choose to be changed ... . The world would shape human nature; but Christ can change human nature ... and changed men (and women) can change the world."...


I can assure you that it has had the most profound impact on my life for the beter and on my children and grandchildren. I will always be grateful to the two young missionaries, Elder Thompson and Elder Danes, who were not intimidated by a proud, arrogant Texas Aggie who was successful beyond his fondest dreams at the time as an IBM salesman, and who did no really know what real success was!
mesocosm
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.......read the Book of Mormon with the courage and steadfast determination to ask your Father in Heaven, in real faith, nothing wavering, whether it is true!



What a foolish concept. Such things should be read skeptically. If the book has any true validity it should withstand the most critical scrutiny. Same applies to the Bible, Koran etc.
LethalWeapon5
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No way meso, you just have to try to feel it in your heart, or something.
yesno
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PetroAg87
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He realized that he had read the Book of Mormon seven times up to that point, and that after each of those seven times he had knelt in prayer and had asked God to tell him if it was true. He had received no answer.....He recognized, as well, that he had sustained himself on a belief in many of the doctrines of the Church and in his parents, because he knew they knew it was true, and he trusted his parents.
Obviously his desire was to be told that the BOM was true. And there is little surprise that, desiring something badly enough, you can eventually convince yourself of just about anything.

The fact that it took him eight times before he gave in is pretty good indication that, deep down in his core, he could recognize the falsity of the document and it was just a matter of hiding away that gnawing doubt.
Scotts Tot
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+1 PetroAg

If you don't believe something after reading it 7 times, the warm and fuzzy feelings you get on the 8th time are probably just the response of your brain giving in...
diamond4
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First, you do not receive a testimony because you are raised in an LDS home. It would not have made any diffference how many times he would have read it when it is NOT done with the proper intent.

But I agree with his summary when he concludes his address by stating Brother Christensen has indicated that he loves to return to Oxford. Most of the people there are either students or tourists who have come to look at a beautiful university. But he loves to return there because it's a sacred place to him, and he can look at the windows of that room where he lived, and he recognizes it as the place where he learned that Jesus is the Christ and that Joseph Smith was the prophet of the restoration for the true church.

Brother Christensen has stated that he looks back at the conflict he experienced when he wondered if he could afford to spend an hour every day apart from the study of applied econometrics to find out if the Book of Mormon was true. He says, and I quote, "I use applied econometrics maybe once a year, but I use my knowledge that the Book of Mormon is the word of God many times every day of my life. In all of the education that I have pursued, that is the single most useful piece of knowledge I have ever gained."

No proper intent will equal no witness from Heavenly Father.

Cold Steel
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PetroAg87: Obviously his desire was to be told that the BOM was true. And there is little surprise that, desiring something badly enough, you can eventually convince yourself of just about anything.

The fact that it took him eight times before he gave in is pretty good indication that, deep down in his core, he could recognize the falsity of the document and it was just a matter of hiding away that gnawing doubt.

That is what I would expect from someone who is a Rhodes Scholar that attends Oxford University. Why they are just a bunch of intellectual wimps. [/sarcasm]

Steel
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So the guy reads the BOM six times, each time he prays to God asking for an affirmation. God either tells him "no" or he receives no answer. Then, still seeking answers, he reads it a 7th time and God, the beacon and giver of truth, whispers in his ear that the BOM is the truth.

Yet Morms are convinced it really only takes one read and God's will answer you after that first time reading.
diamond4
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Bill, it takes real intent with faith, nothing wavering. As he said, his reason for reading the Book of Mormon was not to confirm it was true so much as it fulfilled an assignment.

... "He had received no answer. As he thought through why he hadn't received an answer, he realized that each time he had read the Book of Mormon, it was because of an assignment, either from his parents or a BYU instructor or his mission president or a seminary teacher, and his chief objective had been to finish the book". ...

Thus the sincerity of your attempt determines when and if you get your answer. There is no standard number of attempts but the many millions have received personally his or her answer!
PetroAg87
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No proper intent will equal no witness from Heavenly Father.
And listening to false prophets and their writings also will tend to bear no witness from the Heavenly Father..... Unless of course, you desire confirmation badly enough and force yourself to repeatedly read those writings while seeking that confirmation!

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Bill, it takes real intent with faith, nothing wavering.
And THAT is why, Diamond, it would be pointless for us to try and satisfy your demands that we read the BOM. For we could read it and reject it 100 times straight and your only response would be that our intent was sincere enough!

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and his chief objective had been to finish the book". ...
It appears that his chief objective, and desire, was to find the answer that would allow him to retain his trust in his parent's theological beliefs!
diamond4
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Try it and find out Petro. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain including your family for time and all eternity!
BillOnCapitolHill
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He realized that he had read the Book of Mormon seven times up to that point, and that after each of those seven times he had knelt in prayer and had asked God to tell him if it was true.
So God only answers prayers of authenticity if you really, really read it. God cant give you a sign of its authenticity without reading the BOM. For a God of truth, "Elohim" sure is picky *******.
PetroAg87
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Try it and find out Petro.
Just as with Scientology, Unification Church, Quoran, etc., I don't need to read the holy texts of non-Christian religions in order to understand that their teachings and theologies are not valid, Diamond.

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You have nothing to lose and everything to gain including your family for time and all eternity!
I have EVERYTHING to lose in reading a document designed to lead people away from God.
Frenas
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C'mon, Bob. Knock it off.
UTExan
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Did he also get inspired by Joseph Smith's vision of people who dress like pilgrims living on the moon? Or by Brigham Young's slaughter of innocent Protestant pioneers at the Mountain Meadow massacre?
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