Bonfire Culture

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SquareOne07
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http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1476914&page=1&forum_id=5

A lot of interesting stuff in the thread above...the discussion, at times, is genuine and informative. Other times it's interesting to see what people resort to when facts and the professional findings of others don't necessarily jive with their own opinions.

I don't entirely agree with anybody, but the only thing I found reprehensible were the words of those who didn't agree with this "double-bubble" character or the author of the article.

Thoughts?
CrockerCock00
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I've only made it about a fourth of the way through that thread so far, but I can say as to my thoughts on the original opinion piece from the DMN, if I had submitted that as a paper for my English Comp class, it would have been gutted, strewn, and quartered, by the time it got back to me.

The problem with his article is that while there were bits and pieces of facts littered throughout, there were many false conclusions drawn by incorrect inferences.

Many people have responded to the racism comment that was made. Speaking from my own experience, in 1996, Crocker Hall had a black crew chief and a hispanic crew chief. As many have said, and if I recall correctly, even the author of the DMN op-ed piece says it, everyone was judged on their effort and what they put into it, not who/what they were.

I do have difficulty understanding how anyone who actively partook in Bonfire can say the article is spot on. I would be more than willing to have a point by point discussion with them on it too.

In the end though, this piece struck me as a troll, and it has obviously served its purpose because it has received a lot more exposure (through TexAgs and other channels) than it rightly should have received.
SquareOne07
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I wasn't nearly as interested in the article as I was the forum replies and the responses to double.
YellowPot96
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Wow, a lot of noise on both sides of the issue. I can take criticism; I can respect others' opinions even if I disagree. But I don't care for the generalizaton and characterization of Bonfire as racist and sexist. There will always be someone's perspective and personal anecdote. "I saw this...I heard this....someone told me this...." In my opinion, all of this is separate from the issue of whether to bring Bonfire back to campus, which is what that thread turned into.

My opinion: Bonfire should not and will not return to campus. I support the current off-campus effort. From what I can tell, the culture of the current bonfire has already changed significantly.
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quote:
Kramer makes good points. Bonfire used to be AN event during the fall semester, not THE event. Back in ancient times you had to be at least a sophomore to even go thru the 'try out' process to get on the stack. When I heard about some freshmen dying because they were up on the stack in the middle of the night on weekday a week and a half before Bonfire night I knew finally that the morphing process that Bonfire had undergone for about 20 years had reached its nadir. Virtual complete loss of institutional memory and, combined with the relocation to an old creek bed site with poor soil conditions - the '94 collapse during the day was a clear signal that this site was dangerous, a catastrophe in waiting. Bonfire used to be built under strict discipline with hard work in about a week. Not a month long frat/grab(_,_) party. THAT type of Bonfire will never return nor should it. Adults who pay bills will not subsidize that type of risk again.

Start over with a trash pile like it was up until 1948. Do that correctly and move up over time. Having a private company design/build it is a joke and completely misses the point of what Bonfire USED to be. It got far away from its roots and killed kids. No one can condone that. Never again. No design engineer and/or construction company with any sense would touch this project with all the litigation STILL underway 10 years after the fact and with no end in sight.

Racism and Sexism did not kill thost 12 Aggies and seriously hurt dozens of others. Stupidity did.



Good post. First it became over engineered, then it became underengineered because later groups presumed that engineering, quality, and safety were not concerns. The professional analyses are correct: there are aspects of the institutional culture around the bonfire that had developed over time that inhibited the questioning of or analysis of the accepted way of constructing it. We should learn from those defects and conflicts, for our own sakes.

This is not to say that the A&M culture is broadly bad, as may have been implied to a degree in the article. The article seems to be motivated by political issues, and some desire to recriminate Bonfire and associated individuals.

What I believe we must take out of this is that self-reflection and self-evaluation within an organization are good things because they keep the culture healthy, and prevent the decay of reasonable restraint and limits. We should be our own harshest critics, so that we self-improve. Our culture as Aggies isn't inherently bad at all, and in fact it often serves us well, but we must also understand that there are potential weaknesses when the drive to conform overwhelms reasonable caution.

We can learn from our mistakes, improve our defects, build on our success, and drive on, or become recalcitrant, dwell on criticisms, and become embittered. I think we can have a student involved bonfire again, once we correct the elements of the undertaking that contributed to the collapse. Once we better understand ourselves, strength and potential weakness, we can move onward.

[This message has been edited by MouthBQ98 (edited 9/15/2009 1:48p).]
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[This message has been edited by Pro-Bonfire (edited 9/17/2009 11:35p).]
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