Tombstone question...

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the enigma
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Actually two:

1. After Doc kills Ringo in the grove near the end, Wyatt comes up after Doc lays the badge on Ringo's chest. There is dialog and then Wyatt picks up the badge to which Doc says, "apparently my hypocrisy only goes so far."

What does he mean by that? I dont get it and I have seen this movie a dozen times.

2. Doc is dying in the sanitorium and Wyatt come to play cards. Doc begs Wyatt to leave which he does and then as Doc dies he looks at his bare feet and says, "I'll be damned, isnt this funny."

What is he talking about? What is so funny about his bare feet?.

More than any movie, these two scenes confuse me to no end.





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TexasA&M
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1) Doc knows that he is not the most law abiding citizen and is therefore unfit to wear a badge. He remarks that "this time its legal" right before they duel.

2) I think he is just amused by the fact that he is about to die, and didn't go out in a blaze of glory like he most likely imagined for himself.

Just my two cents.

[This message has been edited by TexasA&M (edited 8/4/2007 7:20p).]
Syd_X_Barrett
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1. The first question is fairly obvious and was answered above

2. I am assuming he meant that he assumed he would die with his boots on and by the bullet, not sick in bed.
Silvertaps
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1. Holiday was an outlaw, so him wearing a sherriffs badge was a bit hyprocritical...and he knew it.

2. He actually died in a hotel (sanitarium in the movie). He had apparently asked for a shot of whiskey, then looked down at his bootless feet and said "This is funny".
I suppose he never thought he would die in bed with his boots off.


Although wasn't 100% accurate, it's still one of my top 10 favorite movies!

[This message has been edited by Silvertaps (edited 8/4/2007 7:50p).]
the enigma
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thanks for the replies, I guess I never thought of that answer for my first question since I always think of Doc as one of the good guys in the movie but your explanations make sense. As for my second question, I thought it had something to do with him dying without his boots on but that just didnt seem right to me..
PLUM LOCO
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I thought it had something to do with him dying without his boots on but that just didnt seem right to me..


You were thinking right.

In te "Old West" real men died with there boots on. It's as simple as that.
Orlando Ayala Cant Read
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doc holliday in reality was one of the coldest outlaws in the old west. although done well by Kilmer in the movie, his real life existence was far from heroic and even disturbing at times.

but i agree, one of my favorite movies also (even though the historical inaccuracies are all over the place)
GreasenUSA
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The actual line kinda brings a little bit of closure to him saying at least once or twice earlier in the movie, "my hypocrisy knows no bounds"
PLUM LOCO
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done well by Kilmer


That is a huge understatement Orlando.

Kilmer deserved an Oscar nomination for that role at the very least.
dreyOO
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no kidding. kilmer stole the show
Thunder18
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yea that's definitely my favorite Kilmer role
PatAg
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Thats a dangerous statement.

Some would say its...unsafe.
gravy97
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does this mean we aren't friends anymore? If I thought you weren't my friend, i just don't think i could bare it..... there... now we can be friends again...
fourkids
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I'm having strong cravings, and every time I see this thread, I want pizza.
napalm99
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That's all right, Ellie, I still got one good arm to hold you with.
redline248
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thanks for reminding me of another awesome movie I have yet to purchase.
Snow Monkey Ambassador
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It's like I'm sittin' here playin' cards with my brother's kids or somethin' . . . nerve wrackin' sons-a-bitches!
gravy97
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wyatt i stand corrected... you're an oak
aggiece98
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"No, it's Frederick F*#@ing Chopin"
OldArmy1606
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"I'm your huckleberry."

"You're a daisy if you do."



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Jackal99
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"I have not yet begun to defile myself."
gravy97
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"thats a hell of a thing for you to say me"
napalm99
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"Well I've got two guns; one for the each of ya."
TheSheik
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not to break the string of Tombstone quotes,

but you know what gets me the last few times I've watched the movie. In fact I remember watching it a few years ago and thinking, dang that guys voice sounds familiar. That loud fat obnoxious gambler Johnny Tyler that Wyatt slaps down in the street is Billy Bob Thornton a few years before Slingblade.
Texas Aggie '99
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Y'all are way off base. I will argue to the death that Val Kilmer's best role (and a role for which he was snubbed an Oscar nomination) was clearly as Madmartigan in 1998 'Should've been Best Picture' Willow



To argue otherwise shows how little you know about quality movies and superior acting roles...
unmade bed
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I don't think anyone has really answered your question about the first quote.

When Doc says his hypocrisy only goes so far, this would imply that while he is usually a hypocrite (and in fact he even says a few times: "my hypocrisy knows no bounds" ), in this instance he was NOT a hypocrite.

I don't understand what was NOT hypocritical about Doc wearing a badge to kill Ringo. I do understand why it was hypocritical, but his quote implies that it was not.

[This message has been edited by unmade bed (edited 8/10/2007 1:11p).]
PLUM LOCO
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So he has been snubbed twice by the Academy...

Why am I not surprised?
SteadicaTm
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movie fact: bob mitchum was the narrator of tombstone who also appeared in weve never been licked 50 years earlier
Mitch Kramer
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Ringo - "Well...bye..."
BullSprig07
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That perspective on the boots makes sense, although I'd never thought of it.

For some reason I thought it was in reference to a dialogue earlier in the movie when Bill Paxton's character was asking the guys if they believed in God as they left the show that night. He also asked what they thought happened when they died. Always assumed that was a fitting reaction for Doc to make to "whatever happens"

but the boot thing makes sense too
BullSprig07
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oh and

"Wyatt I am Roolling"
Cheer
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my favorite bit from the whole movie:

Doc Holliday: And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?
Kate: You don't even know him.
Doc Holliday: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Wyatt Earp: [to Ringo] He's drunk.
Doc Holliday: In vino veritas.
Johnny Ringo: Age quod agis.
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus apella.
Johnny Ringo: [pats his gun] Ecentus stultorum magister.
Doc Holliday: [gives a Cheshire cat smile] In pace requiescat.
Tombstone Marshal Fred White: Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Doc Holliday: Evidently Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him.
Blackjack
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Best part of the movie:

McMasters: Why you doin' this, Doc?
Doc Holliday: Because Wyatt Earp is my friend.
McMasters: Friend? Hell, I got lots of friends.
Doc Holliday: ...I don't.
The Marine Biologist
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This is funny - is the real last words of Doc Holliday...

He left to go out West to live in a drier climate than his home of Georgia, i believe, but his dentistry didnt go well with him coughing on ppl. He had a knack for cards and guns, so he spent the latter part of his life putting his life on the line in the old West.

Dying in a hospital bed years l8r is the last way he thought he'd die...he figured he die by bullit or blade.

^True Story in a nutshell
PLUM LOCO
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he figured he die by bullit or blade.


with his boots on...
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