Lol, all these headliners "pushing buttons" are musicians that also play multiple instruments. They play the instruments during production of their tracks. RUFUS DU SOL plays instruments during the show and mix it all live.
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superunknown said:Tobias Funke said:
I have to think that most people who really enjoy the artistry of musicianship are going to agree that a live singer, instrumentalist, or band is a million times more entertaining than a live EDM performance or DJ set. That said, there are crazy amount of people who love the latter, but in my experience they a) dont know much about music in general, and/or b) don't give a rip about anything other than the vibe and being able to dance.
this reminds me of the Rick and Morty copypasta, great job.
I love Rick and Morty but I have no idea what this reference is
Never mind just looked it up haha. Yeah fair
kings of Leon is great. You've missed out.cajunaggie08 said:
I've heard of all of those headliners, but none of them are acts I'd stick around until the end for. Granted, I'm getting old and almost none of the acts excite me. I came to terms with the fact that the music fest bookers aren't booking for me years ago.
Did Kings of Leon make a come back? I thought they fell off like a decade ago
Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
My office full of Gen-Zers agreed
As did this Xennial
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Tobias Funke said:dixie whiskey said:Aust Ag said:Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
I think the reason there's so many dance/EDM artist is because kids that age aren't really that interested in the "music" anymore like we were (draw your own conclusions why), and are more about the scene (FOMO) and the corresponding drug scene that happens with that kind of music. Just my guess. The actual "band" or artist is close to insignificant (headliners non-withstanding).
I mean, when I was that age, and at a club listening to similar music like that, people were just , umm, "on another level". The actual song being played was secondary.
slightly hesitant to respond to this because i'm on the fence trying to figure out if this is satire or not.. you do understand that not all music is created with 2 guitars, a bass, drums, and a singer right? electronic music still constitutes music, there's chord progressions, melodies, and all the other stuff involved in composing whatever you're suggesting "real" music is. the instrumentation is obviously different but moving away from the formulaic nature of traditional rock and country in many cases allows for more complex writing, interesting and unexpected rhythmic elements, and more creativity in general. there's nothing inherently more musical about a guitar playing a chord progression than a synthesizer playing it. and before someone claims it's different because the artist is playing the guitar, i think a lot of you might be surprised to learn how many of your favorite albums are loaded with parts that were actually performed by a producer or session musician or even a different member of the band. the fact is a good song can be performed by millions of people, but it can only be written by one (or a few collaborating together). that's the part that's artistry. and whether it's electronic instrumentation, traditional rock layout, african drums, whatever- it still has to be written like any other music. also, fun fact- tons of movie/tv/game scores are created these days entirely on a computer. it's a lot cheaper to use a high quality orchestral sample library than it is to hire an actual orchestra. and nobody can tell the difference.
there's also a ton of wildly different genres of electronic music that sound nothing alike. not all of it is the sort of thing thats played at a rave for a bunch of kids on x. sorry to rant but the whole "electronic music isn't real music" thing is a pet peeve. besides, as someone with plenty experience with both, it's easier to write a rock song imo.
I have to think that most people who really enjoy the artistry of musicianship are going to agree that a live singer, instrumentalist, or band is a million times more entertaining than a live EDM performance or DJ set. That said, there are crazy amount of people who love the latter, but in my experience they a) dont know much about music in general, and/or b) don't give a rip about anything other than the vibe and being able to dance.
i've been around music all my life and most of my friends are musicians in some form. i play guitar and bass mostly with a little piano, but i also produce/mix/record/master and pretty much anything necessary in the music creation process. i wouldn't call myself a professional because it's not my primary source of income, but it is something i get paid to do on a semi-regular basis. none of this is in attempt to brag about it, just providing my relevant background. it's something i'm actively involved in you could say. and in my experience, the people i come across that have that sort of elitist "if they're not playing guitars it's not music" opinion tend to be people that have little to no experience or understanding of what goes into creating music, particularly when it comes to music they aren't fans of. a lot of the time it's someone that feels they're exceptionally qualified to speak on what defines talent in something so subjective an art form because they maybe bought a guitar to play around the house or something. but i can say with complete certainty that without exception, the most talented musicians with the most experience creating music that i've known in my life are also the people with the most varied tastes in music because they understand what it takes to make stuff like electronic music. and they also understand how little it means to be a technically proficient instrumentalist if you lack creativity to turn it into a good song. but if we're strictly talking talent, you're wildly underestimating the talent it takes to make a lot of the music you're dismissing.
i also think you're confusing electronic artist with dj, as those are entirely different things.
i haven't read all the responses yet so apologies if someone beat me to any of this.
Tabasco said:jtkk said:
Holy crap! With the exception of Asleep at the Wheel, I've never heard of any of them.
Old man yelling at clouds I guess.
You have never heard of Twenty One Pilots? (or Charlie XCX, Lorde, Skrillex, Kings of Leon). I get not liking them, but never heard or seen the name?
or Rufus?
Hell, Chainsmokers were guest pickers at A&M Gameday!!
maroon barchetta said:wangus12 said:Quote:
Definitely leaning into alot of EDM. Seeing Rufus Du Sol play Innerbloom live is awesome.
Its is definitely the genre of the younger generation. My wife loves it and we got to a lot of EDM festivals. Not my thing, but the gen x crowd is all in on it.
I'm Gen X and think someone getting paid concert ticket prices to dj is dumb.
do you even Ibiza bro? Live is the only way!
Electronic music conversations like this are always funny in that it's usually one side making an either or argument where the other side are just living life and generally appreciate both.
Generally that's telling to who the people with elevated tastes really are.
Generally that's telling to who the people with elevated tastes really are.
It's just people who like actual musicians making music instead of someone making music without nearly the same amount of training or practice or rehearsal.
I doubt the 10,000 hour rule applies to EDM.
I doubt the 10,000 hour rule applies to EDM.
AgRyan04 said:Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
My office full of Gen-Zers agreed
As did this Xennial
Going to Bonnaroo next month with my two 20+ year olds and commented that people were upset about Roo's lineup and that it looks like ACL's is worse. They both disagreed, and are excited about ACL as well.
Sooo, you're a bad parent?
maroon barchetta said:
Sooo, you're a bad parent?
clearly
Well said.
Ragoo said:cajunaggie08 said:
I've heard of all of those headliners, but none of them are acts I'd stick around until the end for. Granted, I'm getting old and almost none of the acts excite me. I came to terms with the fact that the music fest bookers aren't booking for me years ago.
Did Kings of Leon make a come back? I thought they fell off like a decade ago
kings of Leon is great. You've missed out.
I'll give the new stuff a listen. They just sort of fell off my radar after their hiatus in 2011. None of their new material made it on the radio nor my music algorithms (which is the only way i can discover new music outside of word of mouth since I don't do Tik Tok).
I like that one song Kings of Leon has.
Tabasco said:johnnyblaze36 said:
https://bourbonandbeyond.com/lineup/
Damn, you are not kidding! ACL sucks, but my wife would love 15+ of those. Scared to even show her.
I made the mistake of showing the B&B fest to my wife over the weekend. Lots of her excitedly yelling band names from the other room as she read through the lineup. There is a real possibility that this might happen. Not that I would be upset at all.
Lindsay Stirling at a festival, especially a bourbon festival, is an odd one.
Ha! I must have stopped reading the Thursday lineup at Cheap Trick.
Well...if you're looking for variety at a music festival, I guess this one has it!
Well...if you're looking for variety at a music festival, I guess this one has it!
ElephantRider said:
Blast from the past. I saw Houndmouth in an Indianapolis dive bar in like 2012 and partied with them after the show. Haven't really kept up with their music but they had a couple badass albums back in the day.
Was Katie Toupin still singing with them at the time? She tried making a go of solo career under her own name for a while, but now has re-invented herself as a country singer named "Candi Jenkins". I'm a little put off by her alter-ego act, but I actually like some of her music.
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I have thoughts…
Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
So I am now a 50 year old white guy so take opinions with that in mind. I have however been to 21 ACL festivals and always manage to have a good time including this year. I was not excited about the lineup in general but her is my review for what we saw.
Friday:
Showed up late because of work.
Natasha Bedingfield - at Titos and turned out way too small of a stage for her. Apparently the kids showed up for this one and it was hard to get near the stage with the crowd. All the ladies went nuts for Unwritten and was actually a good time.
BUNT - German DJ who looks like he is a teenager. Very fun show and the kids were super in to it. Leaned into the Bedingfield crowd and mixed all of Unwritten so got that experience twice.
Paris Paloma - actually knew a few people who were excited for this and so went to see the end. Anyway, found it kinda whiny.
Turnstile - great set and the mosh pit on the screens was fun to watch
Chainsmokers - Don't know because like I said I am a 50 year old white guy so I was across the street at Live. Apparently it was one of the highlights of the weekend and was also super crowded.
Live - played the hits and sounded good. Not much of a crowd. Apparently this iteration is just the lead singer with randoms and the rest of the band has been broken up for while. Probably didn't change the music experience but took something away for me.
Kings of Lean - they were fine for the 35-40 minutes I stayed to watch them. Walked home are Use Somebody in time to see the second half of Iowa - Washington
Saturday:
Rodrigo y Gabriela - one of the few I was excited about from the moment the lineup was released and didn't disappoint.
Arcy Drive - probably my favorite find from exploring the stuff I didn't know on the lineup. It was a fun show although the sound was not amazing, the band had energy and was a decent crowd.
Bleachers - although I am not a huge fan of Spotify listening to them they were great live.
Missed Levity / Lykke Li sets because wife needed food
Rufus Du Sol - a good show although definitely not my music. Ridiculous lasers that I could see entire walk home.
Lorde - tried to see some of her on the way out. Literally stood in back for 10 minutes and the entire time she was going on about something and started crying and I heard no music at all.
As a sad Aggie Football fan I did take some joy in the end of the Texas / OU game from the tent. My old man gripe though is that this used to be an amazing beer tent with draft Craft beer and a great selection. Then they got rid of draft and had just cans but still a good selection. Now it is Miller Lite and a bunch of frozen mixed drinks.
Sunday:
Max McNown (nephew of Cade McNown - former UCLA and NFL QB). Young country kid who was a good starter to the day.
Saint Motel - very fun show and a highlight of the weekend for me
Houndmouth - unfortunately at the same time as Saint Motel so only caught the last sound (Sedona) and it was fun.
The War on Drugs - great show and really lean into the live experience.
Twenty One Pilots - most felt this was the highlight of the festival and my wife and son felt the same. I caught the beginning but had be at work at 6:30 on Monday so heard most of it walking home could still hear it very load from my bedroom. By all accounts though they crushed it and are a true festival headliner
Didn't get to go this year but I salute the 50+ crowd (including me) who still manage to find a good time even when the lineup is meh. I've started listening to several bands over the last few years just from hearing them at ACL (or usually someone my kids drag me to hear). Thanks for the recap!
Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I think that is a combo of the average age of a Texags user being 50+ and the festival catering to 20-somethings.
cajunaggie08 said:Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I think that is a combo of the average age of a Texags user being 50+ and the festival catering to 20-somethings.
It also appears to be a change in the philosophy of scheduling for the festival. When you look at past lineups, those were not just bands that were popular with young crowds at the time and we have gotten older. They have intentionally changed the type of music that they are scheduling. It also contrasts with other current music festivals that still have more of a folk/rock/country and even hip hop lineup.
AgHawkeye said:cajunaggie08 said:Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I think that is a combo of the average age of a Texags user being 50+ and the festival catering to 20-somethings.
It also appears to be a change in the philosophy of scheduling for the festival. When you look at past lineups, those were not just bands that were popular with young crowds at the time and we have gotten older. They have intentionally changed the type of music that they are scheduling. It also contrasts with other current music festivals that still have more of a folk/rock/country and even hip hop lineup.
I'm not sure if this year's lineup, which was VERY heavy on the indie pop and EDM, was a one-off or not. Just last year we had Luke Combs as country headliner, legacy rock headliners in The Strokes and The Killers (the latter who replaced Doja Cat), and major hip-hop acts like Doechii and T-Pain. 2024 had Tyler, the Creator, as well as Chris Stapleton and Sturgill Simpson.
Good point, seems a shift to more "party music". I have 2 kids in their early-mid 20's who used to go every year, this was the first year they weren't interested, but they don't really drink and definitely aren't partiers (and what that entails). The lineup didn't really do it for them.
Aust Ag said:
Good point, seems a shift to more "party music". I have 2 kids in their early-mid 20's who used to go every year, this was the first year they weren't interested, but they don't really drink and definitely aren't partiers (and what that entails). The lineup didn't really do it for them.
Yeah, I went this year since I go with old friends I don't get to see very often, but I wasn't super jazzed about this year's lineup either. I found enough to like but am hoping for something a little different next year.
Claude! said:AgHawkeye said:cajunaggie08 said:Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I think that is a combo of the average age of a Texags user being 50+ and the festival catering to 20-somethings.
It also appears to be a change in the philosophy of scheduling for the festival. When you look at past lineups, those were not just bands that were popular with young crowds at the time and we have gotten older. They have intentionally changed the type of music that they are scheduling. It also contrasts with other current music festivals that still have more of a folk/rock/country and even hip hop lineup.
I'm not sure if this year's lineup, which was VERY heavy on the indie pop and EDM, was a one-off or not. Just last year we had Luke Combs as country headliner, legacy rock headliners in The Strokes and The Killers (the latter who replaced Doja Cat), and major hip-hop acts like Doechii and T-Pain. 2024 had Tyler, the Creator, as well as Chris Stapleton and Sturgill Simpson.
I have fun every year I go and it is definitely not only a EDM festival so there is always variety. I just think it has a different feel and has been trending appealing to the younger crowd. When I starting going I was in my 20s and felt like I was a kid at an old man's festival and now I am an old man at a kids festival
Just compared the headliners five of my first years to the last two and there is a clear difference in style. I'm OK with it and understand what I'm getting in to. They definitely are not hurting to sell tickets and we will get ours as soon as they go on sell. I doubt it would be the same if I wasn't just walking from my house to the festival.
I will say I saw a bit of all the headliners and there wasn't one this year that had a crowd like some acts of the past. I remember crowd on the main stage all the way to up the hill and the night shows felt much less crowded this year. .
In the 2000's , you had 2-3 "Rock Hall of Fame"-type acts every year. Lately, I don't think you can say that, though time will tell. Will Sabrina Carpenter, Dua Lipa, etc have massive, "staying power" careers (Madonna, Taylor S)? We'll see.
AgHawkeye said:Claude! said:AgHawkeye said:cajunaggie08 said:Aust Ag said:
I remember when there was an ACL thread with reviews for days.
I have thoughts…
I think that is a combo of the average age of a Texags user being 50+ and the festival catering to 20-somethings.
It also appears to be a change in the philosophy of scheduling for the festival. When you look at past lineups, those were not just bands that were popular with young crowds at the time and we have gotten older. They have intentionally changed the type of music that they are scheduling. It also contrasts with other current music festivals that still have more of a folk/rock/country and even hip hop lineup.
I'm not sure if this year's lineup, which was VERY heavy on the indie pop and EDM, was a one-off or not. Just last year we had Luke Combs as country headliner, legacy rock headliners in The Strokes and The Killers (the latter who replaced Doja Cat), and major hip-hop acts like Doechii and T-Pain. 2024 had Tyler, the Creator, as well as Chris Stapleton and Sturgill Simpson.
I have fun every year I go and it is definitely not only a EDM festival so there is always variety. I just think it has a different feel and has been trending appealing to the younger crowd. When I starting going I was in my 20s and felt like I was a kid at an old man's festival and now I am an old man at a kids festival
Just compared the headliners five of my first years to the last two and there is a clear difference in style. I'm OK with it and understand what I'm getting in to. They definitely are not hurting to sell tickets and we will get ours as soon as they go on sell. I doubt it would be the same if I wasn't just walking from my house to the festival.
I will say I saw a bit of all the headliners and there wasn't one this year that had a crowd like some acts of the past. I remember crowd on the main stage all the way to up the hill and the night shows felt much less crowded this year. .
lol I forgot they booked Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews, and Kings of Leon together one year. They were really going after a very specific type of music elitist that year who really wants you to know about how the guys in those bands are actually waaaaaay better musicians than people realize. I'm not sure how they believe it's some huge secret when it's all they ever talk about but at least they all got to be together that weekend
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