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Overall thought ep 1 was really solid, especially the ending.

One random weird thing, and I'll use spoiler tags as things are just getting going but reminder that the thread will be discussing the latest eps so folks will be spoiling things:

When did Matt's ex/psychiatrist Heather go full blown Fisk lackey? We know that he offered her the role of heading up the mental health program for his vigilante task force, but she seems to have gone from generally moral person to full blown corrupt pretty quick. We do also have her being haunted by Muse which I'm sure will play into things as well.

This season seems so disorganized and trying to do too much. I'm in the middle of Ep 6 now but ep 5 with all the flashbacks and callbacks didn't seem necessary.

Pros- Michael Gandolfini as Daniel. He is great. I kept thinking he looked like his father and didn't realize who he was until I googled the actor.

I think everything so far in S2 is better than S1. I do feel they can do more with Bullseye and would happily offset other stories for his. Didn't realize this season is just 8 episodes so I hope they wrap it up good.

This whole season sucked, but the finale especially sucked. I loved the original Netflix series, so I'm going to pretend like this one doesn't exist just like with the star wars sequel trilogy.

Leave it to disney to continue ruining good things.

Thunderstruck xx said:

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This whole season sucked, but the finale especially sucked. I loved the original Netflix series, so I'm going to pretend like this one doesn't exist just like with the star wars sequel trilogy.

Leave it to disney to continue ruining good things.

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At least the Maul finale was good!

Haven't watched it yet but yall have me less than eager to now. Kinda sad there is less than a dozen posts on what used to be a fantastic show.

So, not worth re-upping my Disney subscription for a month to binge?

I actually loved this season. Season 1 wasn't good but felt like this was a lot closer to the Netflix show. Excited for season 3

So after watching it's still a dropoff from the Netflix show and I don't see that changing. But I feel the is was miles ahead of S1. I didn't feel disappointed by the finale. Looking forward to S3

Ok I begrudgingly watched this after expecting the worst and yeah this was way better than season 1. I'm not sure why anyone is complaining about it. It was very solid and better than a large portion of the Hand stuff from the Netflix show.

The only truly wtf thing is they completely just deleted the fact that Frank was locked in a cage.

Also don't bring back LC that went downhill so fast the last season of that was mind bogglingly bad.

Frank got out of the cage in the post-credits of season 1.

Also, half of season 1 of LC sucked, and seasons 2 and 3 of Jessica Jones kinda sucked, but hopefully they can redeem the characters and use them a bit. IIRC, Jessica Jones works with Matt in the comics, long after her origin story (s1) but before she marries Luke and has a baby with him. So she can work well as a supporting character, and frankly, never should have had a 2nd and 3rd season as they were out of source material by then. But they were great together in the Defenders.

As TexAgs' biggest Iron Fist (comics) fan, I will say that I hope they do a pretty serious revamp of the character, including an actor swap (not that it's entirely his fault). They ****ed that up from the jump. Just a bad take all around.

Fun fact, season 1 of Iron Fist being dog**** is why I started reading comics. There's a lot of good Iron Fist stuff, but they used none of it to make his show. Crazy.

I know next to nothing about Iron Fist. This may be a long answer but what is so bad about the show vs the comics?

I watched the first 3 episodes of Season 1 yesterday with my son. My only experience with this world is the 2015 or so Netflix series which I really liked. I found this show to fall short at least in the beginning. Really in all aspects (actors, story, and action sequences). What are the thoughts of those that have watched both.

Action scenes in Netflix are far superior, both in choreography and production. The hallway and staircase scenes as two good examples. Netflix is much darker and does a better job developing villains, therefore the story/struggle overall is better.

These Disney series seem too short, therefore making plot development way too rushed. And also way too fake in action sequence. S2 was better IMO.

Individual acting I don't care to compare too much. Actors are what they are.

I agree the fight scenes were better in Netflix, these fight scenes are more over the top but not as good imo.

mm98 said:

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I know next to nothing about Iron Fist. This may be a long answer but what is so bad about the show vs the comics?

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I'll try and keep it concise!

Imagine an origin story where a young boy is orphaned, trained by monks to become maybe the best pure martial artist on his planet, defeats a dragon to earn incredible powers, then turns his back on this strange foster land to go seek revenge against his parents' killers. Kinda like Batman, but with a dragon involved.

Now imagine a show where you get none of that and the fight scenes are some of the worst you've ever seen. Definitely a "tell, don't show" production, meandering around, kind of pretending it has something to say about capitalism and big pharma (his parents' corporation), no revenge story, no narrative momentum or point to it at all. And the Hand, nobody's favorite part of Daredevil S2, are the main enemy. No costume, bad kung fu, terrible dialogue, just existing to set up the Defenders, which was just ok - better fight scenes, but they still made Iron Fist into a whiny baby when he didn't get his way.

Season 2 of Iron Fist was better, and had pretty good action, but they had to work around the bad decisions of the past rather than fixing them. At the end of it, Danny quits being Iron Fist and I guess Jessica Henwick is instead.

Comics Iron Fist rules though. He's got a whole mythology, some slick outfits, and the power to punch a helicarrier in half (literally). After Civil War, he and Luke Cage keep Cap's outlaw Avengers together, fighting crime when fighting crime is illegal. He's teamed up with Wolverine, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange... etc.

One noteworthy storyline, spoilers for potential Season 3 of Born Again, is when Matt Murdock is suspected of being Daredevil, and Iron Fist wears the Daredevil outfit and fights crime, giving Matt an alibi. I wonder if perhaps that will happen to get him out of prison - perhaps to stop New Muse from killing Karen or something like that.

Punisher one last kill was pretty pointless and I'm a big fan of punisher/daredevil.