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*** ONE BATTLE AFTER ANOTHER *** (Leonardo DiCaprio, dir. Paul Thomas Anderson)

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fig96
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Don't think I've claimed it wasn't?

PTA is obviously left leaning and the film reflects that, several other people have mentioned that already. But if you think the film is glorifying anything the left is doing you're missing the point, it's all about how the performative politics of both sides accomplish nothing and that true impact is made in the community around you and on individuals.
1981 Monte Carlo
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fig96 said:

Don't think I've claimed it wasn't?

PTA is obviously left leaning and the film reflects that, several other people have mentioned that already. But if you think the film is glorifying anything the left is doing you're missing the point, it's all about how the performative politics of both sides accomplish nothing and that true impact is made in the community around you and on individuals.

I hear you, I am not arguing that he is glorifying the activist left, but that it paints one side as this super evil diabolical hyper-racist monstrosity...which is a complete figment of the writer or director's imagination...while the portrayal of the activist left is a lot more accurate imo. That's the only political observation I was trying to make. It's just laughable to me.

If you're going to be THAT blatant about it, it better be such an amazing work of art that people who are not like-minded can overlook this. Boogie Nights was an amazing film...this felt extremely lacking compared to that. This felt like a Covid-era straight-to-TV movie to me. Entertaining, but pretty forgettable. I realize that many disagree, and I respect that.

Leo did pretty damn good, but still not his best acting job imo.
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

fig96 said:

Don't think I've claimed it wasn't?

PTA is obviously left leaning and the film reflects that, several other people have mentioned that already. But if you think the film is glorifying anything the left is doing you're missing the point, it's all about how the performative politics of both sides accomplish nothing and that true impact is made in the community around you and on individuals.

I hear you, I am not arguing that he is glorifying the activist left, but that it paints one side as this super evil diabolical hyper-racist monstrosity...which is a complete figment of the writer or director's imagination...while the portrayal of the activist left is a lot more accurate imo. That's the only political observation I was trying to make. It's just laughable to me.

If you're going to be THAT blatant about it, it better be such an amazing work of art that people who are not like-minded can overlook this. Boogie Nights was an amazing film...this felt extremely lacking compared to that. This felt like a Covid-era straight-to-TV movie to me. Entertaining, but pretty forgettable. I realize that many disagree, and I respect that.

Leo did pretty damn good, but still not his best acting job imo.


This is very accurate. The film wasn't that good. Somewhat enjoyable but not that good. And anyone saying it's not politically slanted is insane (and I never pat on f16 for the record).
1981 Monte Carlo
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mavsfan4ever said:

1981 Monte Carlo said:

fig96 said:

Don't think I've claimed it wasn't?

PTA is obviously left leaning and the film reflects that, several other people have mentioned that already. But if you think the film is glorifying anything the left is doing you're missing the point, it's all about how the performative politics of both sides accomplish nothing and that true impact is made in the community around you and on individuals.

I hear you, I am not arguing that he is glorifying the activist left, but that it paints one side as this super evil diabolical hyper-racist monstrosity...which is a complete figment of the writer or director's imagination...while the portrayal of the activist left is a lot more accurate imo. That's the only political observation I was trying to make. It's just laughable to me.

If you're going to be THAT blatant about it, it better be such an amazing work of art that people who are not like-minded can overlook this. Boogie Nights was an amazing film...this felt extremely lacking compared to that. This felt like a Covid-era straight-to-TV movie to me. Entertaining, but pretty forgettable. I realize that many disagree, and I respect that.

Leo did pretty damn good, but still not his best acting job imo.


This is very accurate. The film wasn't that good. Somewhat enjoyable but not that good. And anyone saying it's not politically slanted is insane (and I never pat on f16 for the record).

My brain was like "man, it's pretty cool of actors like Dicaprio and Benicio to be willing to star in these mid budget straight to TV movies", even though I am aware it went to theaters and has been pretty hyped up. That was kind of the feeling while watching. The cinematography just felt lacking...I probably would have been pretty bummed if I had gone to the theaters for it.

Probably doesn't help that in the last month I have watched Boogie Nights, Once upon a Time, and Wind River. Those all feel like grand productions compared to this one.
TCTTS
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Literally no one here is saying it's not politically slanted. I don't know where you guys keep getting that. From day one, I and many others have said that the movie's politics obviously lean left. Rather, the argument has been whether or not it glorifies/supports violent revolutions, and my case has always been that it does not, which the majority of right-leaning folks have finally seem to come around on as well, seeing as the evidence is damn near indisputable at this point.

However, YES, the movie clearly still endorses liberal messaging... with the caveat of also mocking the extreme left/liberal rhetoric of the past 16 years. PTA grew up in Southern California and married a black woman (Maya Rudolph) famous, among other things, for playing/supporting Kamala Harris. The dude is no doubt a liberal. But he's also a liberal who is clearly saying with this movie, "This isn't the way we should be fighting this fight, not with empty, performative, bull**** rhetoric and certainly not with violence. I know for a number of conservatives that doesn't make a difference - he's still the enemy, "evil," etc, etc - but same as with someone like Bill Maher, I at least appreciate that he's distancing himself from certain liberal fever-dreams and insanities, while remaining true to what he believes. I have to respect that.

As for whether this movie is good or not, on a filmmaking level, that's of course in the eye of the beholder, and I totally get people not digging it. But outside any of its political leanings, personally, I think it's a phenomenally well-made and well-told movie, with memorable characters and a hell of an inventive third act/ending. I loved the story, I loved the journey, I loved the cinematography, I loved the soundtrack, and my appreciation for it is genuine on those levels, not because it's a critical darling or left-leaning. As I noted earlier in the thread, I've seen it twice now and thought it was even better the second time.
mavsfan4ever
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Meh agree about some of what you said. But guess I should have said this movie is very politically slanted. That wasn't my problem with it. At the end of the day, I just didn't think it was good.
VP at Pierce and Pierce
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Phenomenal film. Was really entertaining and well made all around.
 
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