PatAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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I totally get all of that, re: Sue, and agree.

But "Galactus would have shrugged off missiles, and while a nuke may have stunned him (and destroyed the portal and the city), he's basically unkillable" was not shown to us in any tangible way. As a non-comic-book reader, his invincibility wasn't visually communicated. And the Silver Surfer simply saying, in so many words, "you can't kill him" wasn't enough. Telling not showing is bad writing. Because, otherwise, Galactus seemed to be harmed at times by fire/explosions, and didn't really use powers of any kind that I recall, other than being big and using his scanning ability.

Also, that's why I said nuke him in the desert, not in the city.

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Could have had a scene earlier in the movie where the military tries to defeat something and their weapons dont work. The johnny and the team attack and defeat it. That then let's us know their powers work where our weapons dont. Would have maybe taken 5-10 minutes

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They made a point of showing in the beginning how Sue had successfully negotiated that ALL countries of that Earth completely disassembled their militaries. There was no army to fight. The Fantastic Four were their protectors and LEADERS.

It's silly, but that's how it is on their Earth.

Just got back. Was a unique showing for us as we did a private showing as a combined birthday for our two oldest boys at Xscape Theaters in Fulshear….brought a bunch of pizza, snacks and drinks with a theater of roughly 25 kids and that made it pretty fun….the jokes and cutting up from a group you already know made it a little extra enjoyable.

The movie itself was definitely fun! Thought the entire cast did a pretty good job and for all the hating on silver surfer being a woman honestly didn't amount to much at all…character was still good….

The overall look and story was really neat. Loved the futuristic technology with nostalgia 60s look intermixed…liked how the theme of family was woven throughout the movie.

Moms will definitely love this one I'm feeling. Having Sue Storm put herself out there for not sacrificing her child and then sacrificing her life to save her child probably gonna tug on some heart strings of some of the mommas getting dragged to this film….and it was well done too I thought…

I was happy with the fact that they didn't kill Galactus…I was wondering how they were going to overcome that because while I never read a comic my understanding was that he was basically invincible so them essentially having to overcome him by transporting him was a good solution rather than cheapen the character by having him get destroyed….cause he's supposed to be more powerful than Thanos correct (without the power glove)?

By the way…that wasn't Mole Man….that was just Earth 828s version of THE UNDERMINER!!!! Tell me I'm not the only one who immediately thought of that when he was first introduced….

Thoroughly enjoyed it. Was waiting for the Thunderbolts tie in as well.
I'm guessing Doom kidnaps Franklin and brings him to 616. And at the end of Thunderbolts is the F4 coming to get him.

YellowPot_97 said:

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Thoroughly enjoyed it. Was waiting for the Thunderbolts tie in as well.
I'm guessing Doom kidnaps Franklin and brings him to 616. And at the end of Thunderbolts is the F4 coming to get him.

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Oooh that's a good point/idea. Would totally make sense.

I saw it last night.

This movie looks amazing. The 60s retro futurism is very cool. The colors are vibrant. The sets are detailed and beautiful.

The problem is the characters inhabiting this world are DULL.

I like that they decided to move past the origin story of this foursome that we have seen on screen several times already. BUT, since they have already come to terms with the conflict of their powers, they don't really have character growth to explore. Or at least not in this film.

This movie is essentially a montage of beautiful and smart good people encountering impossible situations that they solve their way out of. The world they are in looks cool but we don't feel any attachment to it otherwise. The stakes also feel very low because we know the team has other big bads to fight (coming December 2026 and hopefully saving your local theater when it does).

And then you can feel how this movie is taped together. Bad CGI abounds (figure out how to do babies or just….dont do it) and obvious reshot scenes or dialogue drops are very noticeable (Reed's press conference and Sue's crowd speech are the worst offenders).

The movie just didn't work for me at all. Which is a bummer.

I keep thinking they could have done more conflict around them trying to get pregnant and ethics/morals of that with their jacked up DNA and made Galactus a more direct consequence of that decision. Instead it's just a crazy coincidence which is kind of dumb.

Wow! I really enjoyed that! Felt more like a sci fi movie than a traditional super hero movie. Loved the vibe. The intro part of the film was very, very well done. I thought the pace throughout the movie was good. Love a strong Sue Storm.

I loved the Fantastic Four comics when I was kid. This was the first movie to do them justice. Big fan.

Just got out from watching it in XD with a fully packed theater. I don't know why, but it was boring. Thunderbolts and Superman were way better experiences. I didn't care for the characters. I'll still be there for Doomsday but this movie was just meh.

Some rambling thoughts. Feel free to write me off as a dumbass and/or Marvel homer.

I see discourse here that the movie lacked character arcs/growth and I don't really disagree. I read an article elsewhere that Marvel finally remembered to focus on the characters, and I also agree (though I think Thunderbolts also did this).

Can't both be true? Are we too focused on "character arcs"? Would the movie be better if Reed was arbitrarily a **** at the start of the film and then less of a **** at the end of the film? Maybe it would, but if it was manufactured conflict then I don't know that the film would be better for it. My mind goes to Ant-Man: Quantumania, with everyone telling Scott he's conceited now (even though saving the universe kinda justifies a little ego.)

This will sound like MCU homerism but I guess I like that this is a starting place for the characters, and the audiences have a pretty good idea of what they're about now. That may sound like I'm excusing it away and saying "they'll grow next time!" but I'd almost be a little wary of them growing too much in their first appearance. Consider that Tony Stark was his best self at the end of IM1, then in IM2 they made him a **** again. Then in IM3 they made his past ****ishness create his current villain. In Captain America's first appearance, his body transformed but his character kinda didn't. We understood what made him tick, that was the important thing.

So I'm glad they didn't make Reed more of a jerk who finally learned to let go and listen to the team by the finale. Him being smarter than everyone else will be a persistent character flaw. I'm glad everyone didn't crap on Ben and fill him with self-loathing that he then needed to overcome within this film. That's still a part of him. I'm glad Johnny wasn't a just womanizing himbo like he easily could have been just to "grow up" by the end of the film. That'll probably get him into trouble soon. And I'm glad Sue's role wasn't nagging Reed or Johnny into progress on their little growth journeys.

I'm glad they skipped the origin, but also glad that the arc wasn't "they're a family but they're falling apart and they have to learn how to be a family again." Instead we just see that family face their biggest test yet: foes that Reed couldn't just outsmart (like when he solved organized crime) or that Sue could talk it out with (the way they'd essentially created world peace, or peace with Mole Man), or that Ben could punch real hard or Johnny could even outrace or outgun. And I liked that.

We have a good baseline for these characters now and will get to see them play in the MCU sandbox with the other characters. To me, that was more important than seeing Reed conquer his deficiencies in his first appearance or something like that.

There are 700+ FF comics to pull from, and now that they've been properly introduced, we can see them grow and change and fall apart and confront their flaws. But first, seeing them stand together and show what they're about was good enough for me.

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wangus12 said:

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Also somewhat surprised that there was nothing to tie it into the Thunderbolts* post credit scene.

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That part got me, as well. I had been thinking that they were going to end up losing to Galactus and traveling to the Thunderbolts* universe in order to try to stop it from happening in there.

But then a few days prior to the release of the movie, I heard that Avengers: Doomsday was being filmed on the same sets as FF: First Steps. So that killed that idea.

I'm now expecting that the Thunderbolts* post-credit scene was just a advertisement for First Steps, and that scene will never be mentioned again.

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They'll 100% mention it/follow it up. The Thunderbolts* credit scene was directed by the Russos, on the set of Doomsday. Same goes for The Fantastic Four credit scene w/ Doom - also directed by the Russos. There's no way they don't connect those dots and catch the audience back up.