Denis Villeneuve to direct next Bond film

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Legit question then. As you've said, this is a crucial role. One of the top roles in film. So, why wouldn't the studio send out trial balloons for the casting via leaked reports in order to gauge the opinions of their audience?
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My $0.02.

Of course the actors, Amazon and anyone with a financial stake is leaking this...the only question is how coordinated is the leaking?

Denis Villeneuve - good credits ... could be a good choice.

The actors...I'd just like someone who looks like Fleming's characterization of Bond ... "slim, ~ 6', man in his mid-to-late 30's, short black hair that falls in a comma over his right eyebrow, cold blue-grey eyes, a thin vertical scar on his right cheek, a rather cruel, thin-lipped mouth, piratical good looks of Hoagy Carmichael."

Where to place the movies and what direction? The novels ran from roughly "51 - '64. Prime Cold War era. SMERSH, other Soviet tied baddies and finally SPECTRE. I just don't see how you tackle these in a real new way ... tired of the Marvel or DC type super-villians. The whole Craig franchise basically turned it all into romance novella's... trauma, grief, and the search for feminine meaning ... no different than how Nolen screwed up The Odyssey.

I want the Fleming character...not some modern feminist reinterpretation from a Werewolf porn novel.

Maybe do a true origin story. Screw these guys already in their late 30's. Go with 17 year old Bond entering Naval service and bring him forward to the point where he is Commander Bond and has the "license to kill" . Start it in roughly 1938/1939 (would put Bond born in roughly 1920 in line with the books) and it gives you a hell of a decade and story lines to work with (events leading up to the War, the War, the start of the Cold War)... get someone fresh and bring them forward in time.

And oh, if they pick Turner, you do realize we will have to deal with the "Dua Lipa" as Bond girl frenzie that will result. You think Kelce and Swift ruined watching the NFL...hold on....

I've read many of the books (great reading for a teenager) and had an unbroken string of seeing Bond in theatres that ran from the time I was old enough to get in a theater alone (in ~9th grade) until the last couple of Craig films ruined it (and of course saw many of the older ones when they would be rerun in theaters)..Bond was always one thing you had to see in the theater...I'd like for that feeling to come back.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

Legit question then. As you've said, this is a crucial role. One of the top roles in film. So, why wouldn't the studio send out trial balloons for the casting via leaked reports in order to gauge the opinions of their audience?

I'll say this... these elite guys don't create to target the lowest common denominator like you're proposing. You create for yourself, something you want to create with the story/message you want to communicate. You cast the person right for that role in your mind. If you're honest with yourself and observant about humanity, you'll be able to tell a story that resonates.

None of the public knows what kind of Bond you are going for, so how can they possibly know who is right for it? That being said, it won't stop us from talking about it and giving our opinions, myself included. But that's for our version of Bond and movie that we want.

To me, this is a reason so many sequels fall flat. They first try look at what the audience wants, not for a good story/message. Newsflash, most of the audience is stupid and you're going to get a range of opinions anyway. Which ones do you listen to? I don't think the studio or Villeneuve are leaking.

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I didn't say I wanted them to do it, just posing the question to TCTTS....a studio has a LOT of money riding on the audience accepting the actor cast as Bond.

As for your post, you're conflating the director Vilineuve with the studio Amazon.

Vilineuve = great reputation, and possibly elite (let's not put him on that pedestal just yet). I actually don't envision its him that would be leaking anything.

Amazon = pffft, come on. Go take a look at Rings of Power and tell me they're elite. Lol. Or Reacher (and I liked Reacher at first). Fallout and The Boys had huge dropoffs as they progressed. Perhaps their best show is The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel . They don't have a fantastic track record of "elite" productions. Amazon would absolutely leak potential castings to gauge public appeal. Don't hold too high of an opinion of the studios.

Now, do I want them pandering to "the lowest common denominator"? No, that's how we end up with shows like Rings of Power and Lanterns. I agree most fan-castings are horrible. But occasionally listening to fan reactions to cast a role (Patrick Stewart as Prof X) or to make design changes (the design of Sonic the Hedgehog) actually pays off for the studios. And I think they do it more often than people believe.
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If, as has been reported, Amazon and Villanueve have a different take on who the actor should be, there is a pretty good chance one or both of them are leaking their top choice to get a public gauge.

Villanueve is a pro for sure, but he hasn't really had to make this type of movie with this kind of scrutiny before. Sure, Dune has a rabid fan base, but its not on the level of the bond commentariat, IMHO. And also, he got to execute his vision at WB. For Bond, he is having to appease a studio in a way he hasn't had to before. So leaking casting decisions to try and force your pick is not above question in this situation, IMO. I'm not saying its a sure thing, but it seems more likely than not given the amount of noise around this coming out of everywhere.
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japantiger said:

My $0.02.

Of course the actors, Amazon and anyone with a financial stake is leaking this...the only question is how coordinated is the leaking?

Denis Villeneuve - good credits ... could be a good choice.

The actors...I'd just like someone who looks like Fleming's characterization of Bond ... "slim, ~ 6', man in his mid-to-late 30's, short black hair that falls in a comma over his right eyebrow, cold blue-grey eyes, a thin vertical scar on his right cheek, a rather cruel, thin-lipped mouth, piratical good looks of Hoagy Carmichael."

Where to place the movies and what direction? The novels ran from roughly "51 - '64. Prime Cold War era. SMERSH, other Soviet tied baddies and finally SPECTRE. I just don't see how you tackle these in a real new way ... tired of the Marvel or DC type super-villians. The whole Craig franchise basically turned it all into romance novella's... trauma, grief, and the search for feminine meaning ... no different than how Nolen screwed up The Odyssey.

I want the Fleming character...not some modern feminist reinterpretation from a Werewolf porn novel.

Maybe do a true origin story. Screw these guys already in their late 30's. Go with 17 year old Bond entering Naval service and bring him forward to the point where he is Commander Bond and has the "license to kill" . Start it in roughly 1938/1939 (would put Bond born in roughly 1920 in line with the books) and it gives you a hell of a decade and story lines to work with (events leading up to the War, the War, the start of the Cold War)... get someone fresh and bring them forward in time.

And oh, if they pick Turner, you do realize we will have to deal with the "Dua Lipa" as Bond girl frenzie that will result. You think Kelce and Swift ruined watching the NFL...hold on....

I've read many of the books (great reading for a teenager) and had an unbroken string of seeing Bond in theatres that ran from the time I was old enough to get in a theater alone (in ~9th grade) until the last couple of Craig films ruined it (and of course saw many of the older ones when they would be rerun in theaters)..Bond was always one thing you had to see in the theater...I'd like for that feeling to come back.


I actually like this approach. I think it would probably not work. Audiences want 007 with his license to kill - starting him entering the Navy then WWII is likely to face the Prometheus problem ( an Alien movie with no Alien).
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

japantiger said:

My $0.02.

Of course the actors, Amazon and anyone with a financial stake is leaking this...the only question is how coordinated is the leaking?

Denis Villeneuve - good credits ... could be a good choice.

The actors...I'd just like someone who looks like Fleming's characterization of Bond ... "slim, ~ 6', man in his mid-to-late 30's, short black hair that falls in a comma over his right eyebrow, cold blue-grey eyes, a thin vertical scar on his right cheek, a rather cruel, thin-lipped mouth, piratical good looks of Hoagy Carmichael."

Where to place the movies and what direction? The novels ran from roughly "51 - '64. Prime Cold War era. SMERSH, other Soviet tied baddies and finally SPECTRE. I just don't see how you tackle these in a real new way ... tired of the Marvel or DC type super-villians. The whole Craig franchise basically turned it all into romance novella's... trauma, grief, and the search for feminine meaning ... no different than how Nolen screwed up The Odyssey.

I want the Fleming character...not some modern feminist reinterpretation from a Werewolf porn novel.

Maybe do a true origin story. Screw these guys already in their late 30's. Go with 17 year old Bond entering Naval service and bring him forward to the point where he is Commander Bond and has the "license to kill" . Start it in roughly 1938/1939 (would put Bond born in roughly 1920 in line with the books) and it gives you a hell of a decade and story lines to work with (events leading up to the War, the War, the start of the Cold War)... get someone fresh and bring them forward in time.

And oh, if they pick Turner, you do realize we will have to deal with the "Dua Lipa" as Bond girl frenzie that will result. You think Kelce and Swift ruined watching the NFL...hold on....

I've read many of the books (great reading for a teenager) and had an unbroken string of seeing Bond in theatres that ran from the time I was old enough to get in a theater alone (in ~9th grade) until the last couple of Craig films ruined it (and of course saw many of the older ones when they would be rerun in theaters)..Bond was always one thing you had to see in the theater...I'd like for that feeling to come back.



I actually like this approach. I think it would probably not work. Audiences want 007 with his license to kill - starting him entering the Navy then WWII is likely to face the Prometheus problem ( an Alien movie with no Alien).


I can think of several ways to tell the story...Fleming, and Bond, were prodigies...and a product of the old class. He was placed in the Special Branch at 17 after getting expelled from Eaton (over trouble with a maid!!!!) and then doing well at Fettes (student, boxer, wrestler). He lives across Europe, fluent in French and German, etc. The story alone of how an orphan winds up where he is trusted running espionage missions in early War Europe (and barely 17) would make a great story. He doesn't have to kill Blofeld in the first movie... it also has the advantage of not getting you tied to the source material near as much. You could even make him just a couple of years older and have him involved before the NAzi's invade Poland...Churchill involved, etc...

If Amazon is monitoring this conversation, I am happy to consult.
 
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