Wind and Truth Book Discussion ***SPOILERS*** - Brandon Sanderson

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Definitely Not A Cop
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In reply to G.I.Bro • 9:45a, 1/2/25
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I will spoiler this since you did, but do you guys want to continue using spoiler text with it being nearly a month since the release? Don't care either way, just figured I would raise the question.

A few things at play here. Shallan kills Chana around the same time Gavilar is killed. Based on when Taln reappears at the end of TWoK, she lasts a few years on Braize before giving in. Odium could send spren over at that point due to the oathpact being weakened, but couldn't actually return the fused until a herald broke.

Now there was a few weeks/months between that happening and the everstorm, so I guess he technically could have started bringing them back the old way (like he does with El at the end of RoW). But I assume the reasoning is that the Everstorm allows him to completely circumvent the Oathpact stipulations, and at that point had spent years pulling strings to make it happen. So I think ultimately it was about not showing his cards until it was too late. Also, I think the everstorm probably was vital to restoring connection to the rest of the slave form parshmen after Mishram was imprisoned. But I might be missing something there, as it's not completely explicit imo.
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8:35p, 1/2/25
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Just finished and agree with most commenters. Overall more captivating from start to end but not the same highs and lows as prior writings.

Agree with the Rlain/Renarin, Kaladin easy therapy fixings and dialogue criticism but still did enjoy it and looking forward to the next ones.

I do agree with the incomplete sentiments some posters shared, mainly due to us having to wait I think a decade for book six to drop. Would have liked just a little more character epilogues since there is such a long wait between volumes.

Also random question, but did anyone figure out who the unknown civilization that got destroyed on the Shattered plains (I think?). I wish I took better notes but I swear there were at least two instances talking about a blue skinned people who created a state that was destroyed during the clash of Honor and Odium. I also think it stated the gods couldn't see them. Is this ringing a bell to anyone?

Finally, was the fifth march by the Iriali a surprise to anyone? Maybe I just missed this lore in a prior book.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 12:13p, 1/3/25
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I tend to agree on most of this. It seems the Everstorm was required to free the minds of the Parshmen, which in turn led to them being open to taking in a fused. We have to remember that, even though the Everstorm had been going on for 6 months or more, there were still many Fused who had not been reborn. They require a willing vessel to be reborn.

I think we see some proof of dull form Singers or Parshmen not being open to Odium and the fused from the original Listeners. They turned from Ba Ado Mishram by taking on dull form, which freed them from her influence and ultimate repercussions from her imprisonment.

I also agree that we are probably past the point of needing spoiler tags. The only reason to have them is for ongoing discussions as many are on different chapters. However, that hasn't happened at all. Everyone seems to be posting after having finished. If you don't want spoilers, you should probably just not open the thread until you finish the book. All my opinion.
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In reply to Saxsoon • 12:38p, 1/3/25
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Saxsoon said:
So as not to clutter the Sanderson thread for those who aren't caught up.

Let do this. If you are reacting to something post the chapter number then spoiler tag it?


Hey Saxsoon - thanks for the thread!! Can you edit OP to say we are going to stop use of spoilers so folks not finished don't read all the way to the bottom?
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 1:05p, 1/3/25
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Ornithopter said:
Feels like if Sanderson style of writing in WaT was a big hangup, you should have noticed in one of the four 800+ books you've already read in the series.


I give Sanderson some leeway. Yes some stuff sounds like a 13 year old boy is writing about sex or making quips, but he more than makes up for it with badass lines like "Honor is dead, but I'll see what I can do," and completely emotional lines like, "You will feel warm again," "She had been broken. Then she smiled. Oh Storms, she smiled anyway," Etc.

Also, how about this setup from the very first line of the very first Shallan flashback in WOR?


"The world ended, and Shallan was to blame."
That's a pretty good summary. The bolded section is greatly outweighted by the rest of the writing.
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In reply to Orome • 2:02p, 1/3/25
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Natanatan was apparently the descendants of humans and the Siah Aimians. There are two types of aimian races, the sleepless ones that hang around Rysn, and the ones like Axies the collector. The Shattered Plains kingdom appears to be the kingdom of the second kind and humans crossbreeds. Wit told a story about them in one of the books with the queen that wanted to trade places with the moon.
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In reply to PatAg • 2:13p, 1/3/25
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PatAg said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Ornithopter said:
Feels like if Sanderson style of writing in WaT was a big hangup, you should have noticed in one of the four 800+ books you've already read in the series.


I give Sanderson some leeway. Yes some stuff sounds like a 13 year old boy is writing about sex or making quips, but he more than makes up for it with badass lines like "Honor is dead, but I'll see what I can do," and completely emotional lines like, "You will feel warm again," "She had been broken. Then she smiled. Oh Storms, she smiled anyway," Etc.

Also, how about this setup from the very first line of the very first Shallan flashback in WOR?


"The world ended, and Shallan was to blame."
That's a pretty good summary. The bolded section is greatly outweighted by the rest of the writing.



I did think that he did a really good job with Yumi and the Nightmare Painter as a more romantic story. Probably the best relationship he has ever written.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 6:07p, 1/10/25
Definitely Not A Cop said:
PatAg said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Ornithopter said:
Feels like if Sanderson style of writing in WaT was a big hangup, you should have noticed in one of the four 800+ books you've already read in the series.


I give Sanderson some leeway. Yes some stuff sounds like a 13 year old boy is writing about sex or making quips, but he more than makes up for it with badass lines like "Honor is dead, but I'll see what I can do," and completely emotional lines like, "You will feel warm again," "She had been broken. Then she smiled. Oh Storms, she smiled anyway," Etc.

Also, how about this setup from the very first line of the very first Shallan flashback in WOR?


"The world ended, and Shallan was to blame."
That's a pretty good summary. The bolded section is greatly outweighted by the rest of the writing.



I did think that he did a really good job with Yumi and the Nightmare Painter as a more romantic story. Probably the best relationship he has ever written.

My wife has read some, not all of Sanderson's work, and her favorite book is clearly Yumi.
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12:28p, 1/11/25
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Just finished this morning. Gonna say this is #2 or #3 on the list for me, kinda hard to say because I hold 1-3 in such high regard that even ranking those is difficult. WAAAAY better than RoW, though. I will definitely have to reread it, though. I was reading so fast just to see what happens that there are a lot of the little details that probably escaped me the first go around. I think I actually experienced Sanderlanche fatigue at about 70% or so though.

Biggest comment is actually a negative. I don't know if it is because I'm a dad to a boy of similar age or what, but the treatment of Gavinor bothered me. Like REALLY bothered me. Every time we go back to a scene in a vision in the Spiritual Realm, I found myself being like "yeah, this is great, but GET THAT KID OUTTA THERE!!", picturing my own boy in that situation. I see why Sanderson did it, but given how it went down I found it kinda unnecessary. The same effect could have been accomplished by like, I dunno, grabbing Renarin and freezing him there. It's probably just a "me" thing, and I can accept that, but it's a discussion thread so there you go.

One of the things I enjoyed most was finally getting the "rest of the story" about the Recreance, the Heralds, and Honor. Felt like this was stuff he's had figured out from looong before now. A lot of things make sense to me now, and it's very satisfying.

I think one thing I have to do before I read it again, is to finish up Mistborn Era 2. I was glad that I had read Era 1 and Secret History, as well as Warbreaker. I hadn't quite finished Oathbringer's reread before starting this, so there were a few points I got a little fuzzy on. And given the Rysn interlude and the transfer of the Dawnshard from Wit to Sigzil, looks like I need to reread that novella, too.

I felt Jasnah got done dirty in the debate. Yeah, in the end it wouldn't have mattered, but still...

If Fused are escaping Braize via the Everstorm, circumventing the Oathpact...then why are the Heralds sending their bodies and souls there? I get that the Oathpact is now protecting the spren, I just don't understand the reason they have to go to Braize.

I think we will see Syl further in Book 6. I think she's going to become some kind of pseudo-Stormfather, at least that's the impression I got from the description of her gown and her eyes at the end.

It's been said, but it needs to be said again, in truth it should be said in every post: **** Moash. And I'm going to append a rousing "**** Taravangian".
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 1:12p, 1/11/25
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Jasnah is supposed to be the POV character of Book 10, so I'm expecting a redemption arc for her.

That being said, i thought it was pretty poetic that book 1 starts with her basically bullying Taravangian around about morality and philosophy, and he completely turns the tables around on her in book 5.
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9:47p, 1/13/25
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I'm on chapter 89 with Kalladin and Nale

Kalladin: Hmm maybe your perspective has merit. Tell me about your childhood.
Nale: ... Ohhh
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3:39p, 1/15/25
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The current debate on cremposting is who Kaladin bangs first: Syl or Chana
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 3:54p, 1/15/25
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I honestly thought we were going to see something with Syl in this last book. Sanderson seemed to be building things to go in that direction.

We've already had all the other representation, I guess now it's time for an interspecies relationship.
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In reply to Lathspell • 6:23p, 1/15/25
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Already have that with Rlain.
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9:08a, 1/20/25
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I know I'm way behind, but finished last night.
Overall I thought it was meandering in bad way, but ultimately came together towards the end. It really became epic and fit together once Adolin lost his leg.

Between Szeth, GOD, Dalinar, Shallan, Rlain, Renarin, and Navani a ton of this book was told in flashbacks or in visions of flashbacks. Most of the time I was waiting to get back to the Adolin and siege storyline.

Was Shallan pregnant at the end?
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In reply to Quad Dog • 9:26a, 1/20/25
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Many believe her to be.

Is she in or out of the time slow? Could lead to some interesting dynamics in the back 5.
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In reply to rich1232 • 10:10a, 1/20/25
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Out of the timeslow. She's stuck in Shadesmar with her cryptics and world hopper/ghostblood/Scadrian Felt
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10:25a, 1/20/25
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Another question that I've started wondering about: if I understand rightly, stormlight is no more, yes? The Stormfather is gone, so you can't renew gems with stormlight. So...is Zahel/Vasher screwed? Because he was using stormlight Investiture to sustain himself instead of Breath. Now, it sounds like he still has a lot of breath, but does he have 10 years worth? Or did he and Lift (because it sounds like she's going to tag along with him now) get offworld in time?

Ugh...so many questions and we're going to have a long wait before we get answers.
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 11:12a, 1/20/25
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Towerlight still works, so he should be fine.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 11:16a, 1/20/25
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Yep, good point. I knew Towerlight worked, but for some reason couldn't connect the dots of "he's in the Tower, stupid..."
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In reply to Orome • 12:18p, 1/20/25
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Orome said:
Out of the timeslow. She's stuck in Shadesmar with her cryptics and world hopper/ghostblood/Scadrian Felt

When she had her conversation with Kelsier through the Seon they said the other end was on a delay and recorded. So I think she is in the time slow.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 12:42p, 1/20/25
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Roshar the planet has a time delay around it, which includes Shadesmar. I thought you were talking about the time issues of the spiritual realm
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