Reagan movie is pretty good.

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Saw it in a packed theater. I was prepared for it to be cheesy. But it actually was well worth the ticket. It spent time on basically every stage of his life from childhood to death.. So it couldn't go into detail about anything. It covered every anecdote that I've heard about him, plus some. I'll have to look later to see if the unheard ones were accurate or embellishments. It didn't cover much about domestic policy, other than a few statements. It was 90% about his fight against the commies.

Overall, I would highly recommend. Especially if you are a patriot. Though leftists could learn a few things too.
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A producer/director buddy of mine was an EP on this. Not sure if he threw in or if he just got the credit since they were filming on his turf in Oklahoma. He was EP on Silence and was instrumental in getting Killers of the Flower Moon there. The one faith based series I produced with him was cheesy but this one is supposed to be good.
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uujm said:

A producer/director buddy of mine was an EP on this. Not sure if he threw in or if he just got the credit since they were filming on his turf in Oklahoma. He was EP on Silence and was instrumental in getting Killers of the Flower Moon there. The one faith based series I produced with him was cheesy but this one is supposed to be good.
EP = Executive Produer?
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aTmAg said:

uujm said:

A producer/director buddy of mine was an EP on this. Not sure if he threw in or if he just got the credit since they were filming on his turf in Oklahoma. He was EP on Silence and was instrumental in getting Killers of the Flower Moon there. The one faith based series I produced with him was cheesy but this one is supposed to be good.
EP = Executive Produer?


Extra Perrestrial.

Duh.
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I really hope it has the scene where Reagan, a radio sports announcer who dreamed of getting into Hollywood, met a female movie star he knew in LA and asked if she could introduce him to a talent agent.

She gave him a look, asked him to take off his thick glasses, then, in a moment reminiscent of every teen movie, said he might do.

And the next day he was bumbling through an agent's office, bouncing off walls and obstacles without his glasses (his vision was so bad, it would keep him off the front in WWII), but earning a movie star contract..
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IMO, the funniest scene was when Brezhnev, Andropov, and Chernenko all died back to back. They showed each at a table where they started coughing, and then it flashed to a extravagant funeral procession with people holding his portrait while they played loud sorrowful Soviet music. It was the same table and exact same funeral clip each time except the portrait they held.
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I remember being a kid and a local DJ saying good news! "Yuri Andropov has finally dropped off the planet."
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That's pretty good
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I remember the Soviets going thru leaders pretty quickly there for awhile. They would get some mysterious "flu" and then suddenly they were dead and another took their place.
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aTmAg said:

uujm said:

A producer/director buddy of mine was an EP on this. Not sure if he threw in or if he just got the credit since they were filming on his turf in Oklahoma. He was EP on Silence and was instrumental in getting Killers of the Flower Moon there. The one faith based series I produced with him was cheesy but this one is supposed to be good.

EP = Executive Produer?


Correct
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Though leftists could learn a few things too.


How did they handle Iran-Contra? Was he a secret Machiavellian genius, or did they go with the "whoopsy-doodle" school of foreign intrigue?
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Probably didn't want to touch it since Obama and Biden gave Iran billions of dollars instead of old weapons.
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Sapper Redux said:

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Though leftists could learn a few things too.


How did they handle Iran-Contra? Was he a secret Machiavellian genius, or did they go with the "whoopsy-doodle" school of foreign intrigue?
Why don't watch and find out?

I wish they had time to portray the actual truth that the Democrats were traitorous sacks of **** who sided with the Soviets during the cold war. What they did would be like Republicans adding an amendment in 1942 that disallowed FDR from funding the French resistance. If anything, those congressmen should have been humiliated and removed. That's why when the people learned the facts, they didn't care and why Reagan would have won in yet another landslide if he could run a 3rd time. It should be no surprise that Boland was the protege of Ted Kennedy who actually tried to make a secret deal with the Soviets against Reagan.
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Ah. So you wanted the fictional hagiography on Reagan, I see.
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Sapper Redux said:

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Though leftists could learn a few things too.


How did they handle Iran-Contra? Was he a secret Machiavellian genius, or did they go with the "whoopsy-doodle" school of foreign intrigue?


The same reason the future Obama biopic will be him turning America's dilapidated inner-cities into rejuvenated havens of quality education and opportunity and not US citizens abroad being offed in drone strikes.
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Philip J Fry said:

Probably didn't want to touch it since Obama and Biden gave Iran billions of dollars instead of old weapons.


May want to look up where that money came from and why it was released. Us holding it was against international law and it's still being managed for very specific purposes. Quite different from actively arming the mullah to provide money for death squads that slaughtered civilians.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

Ah. So you wanted the fictional hagiography on Reagan, I see.
Truth != hagiography.
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So what's the truth depicted on Iran Contra?
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You mean, did they portray democrats as traitors who sided with the Soviets over America?

No. Like I said, to avoid going 10 hours, they didn't have time to go into much detail on anything. They didn't even mention Afghanistan once, for example.
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Sapper Redux said:

So what's the truth depicted on Iran Contra?


When I know I'm not going to see a movie, I sometimes read the Wikipedia recap

In 1981, U.S. President Ronald Reagan delivers a speech at the Washington Hilton, and is shot and wounded as he departs. In present-day Moscow, Russian agent Andrei Novikov arrives at the home of former KGB agent Viktor Petrovich, and questions why the Soviet Union fell. Petrovich, who was assigned to surveil Reagan, discusses the Soviet Union's ambitions to infiltrate Washington, D.C. and Hollywood, but was thwarted twice by Reagan. Petrovich details Reagan's childhood in northern Illinois. Reagan's father Jack was an alcoholic, but his mother Nelle instills Reagan with Christian values.
Reagan becomes a born again Christian, and works as a lifeguard and radio announcer. He moves to Hollywood, where he works as an actor for Warner Bros. After World War II, Reagan's status as a leading man is in decline, and he is elected president of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) in 1947. During the Hollywood blacklist, Reagan becomes a FBI informant and feuds with Herbert Sorrell, a union organizer. Reagan's marriage to actress Jane Wyman ends in divorce due to his political involvement and the premature death of their daughter Christine.
In 1949, Reagan meets actress Nancy Davis, and has her name removed from the blacklist after she has been mistaken with another Nancy Davis. They are married in 1952. Reagan turns to television appearing in commercial advertisements and hosts the General Electric Theater program. In 1964, Reagan campaigns for Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater, and delivers his "A Time for Choosing" speech. Reagan discusses his political future, and decides to run for governor of California in 1966. In 1969, Governor Reagan clashes with student radicals at the University of California, Berkeley, and has the state National Guard sent in to quell the protests.
In 1970, the Reagans hold prayers with Pat Boone and pastor George K. Otis, who prophesies Reagan will become president if he "walks uprightly" before God. Six years later, Reagan challenges U.S. President Gerald Ford for the nomination at the Republican National Convention but loses in the delegate count. Ford loses to Jimmy Carter, and Reagan runs again for president in 1980. He wins the presidency and forms a friendship with Tip O'Neill, the Speaker of the House.
In 1981, President Reagan recovers from his attempted assassination, and is visited by O'Neill in his hospital bed. Back in the White House, Reagan clashes with David Stockman, the White House budget director, over his tax cut proposal. When Reagan learns that air traffic controllers are on strike, he fires the air traffic controllers who do not return to work within 48 hours.
Reagan selects George Shultz as his Secretary of State to handle diplomacy with the Soviet Union. Despite this, in 1983, Reagan labels the Soviet Union as an evil empire. Tensions between the U.S. and the Soviet Union heat up when Soviet interceptor planes shoot a commercial passenger plane. Meanwhile, there are nationwide protests against Reagan's handling of the AIDS crisis. Reagan wins reelection in 1984, defeating Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale.
By the time of Reagan's second term, Leonid Brezhnev's successors had died in office, making diplomacy difficult. Reagan meets with UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who persuades him to meet with Soviet Secretary General Mikhail Gorbachev. At the Geneva Summit, in 1985, the two leaders negotiate nuclear disarmament, but Reagan is reluctant to sign an agreement due to his support for the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), which had been dubbed "Star Wars". A year later, the Iran-Contra scandal breaks, and Reagan is threatened with impeachment. Reagan denies there were arms traded for hostages, but backtracks in an Oval Office speech.
Despite Shultz's opposition, Reagan delivers a speech near the Brandenburg Gate, and demands for Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall. In 1989, Reagan leaves office and the Berlin Wall is torn down. The Soviet Union dissolves in 1991. In retirement, Reagan experiences memory lapses and discloses he has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. Reagan takes one last horse ride with his Secret Service agent John Barletta. Reagan dies in 2004, and international leaders attend his funeral to pay their respects.
A post-credits scene features a photo of the letter by Prince Hussain who had sent Reagan his goldfish during his presidency.
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Since TCTTs isn't coming through with 78 tweeted reactions to the film, here's the wiki's section on the movie's critical response


On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 20% of 46 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 4/10. The website's consensus reads: "While Reagan the movie undoubtedly admires Reagan the man, its cloying and glossy rendering of history flattens the 40th U.S. President into caricature." Metacritic, which uses a weighted average, assigned the film a score of 22 out of 100, based on 18 critics, indicating "generally unfavorable" reviews. Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "A" on an A+ to F scale, while those surveyed by PostTrak gave it an average 4.5 out of five stars, with 77% saying they would definitely recommend it.

Bilge Ebiri of Vulture said the film was "pure hagiography, but it's not even one of those convincing hagiographies that pummel you into submission with compelling scenes that reinforce their subject's greatness." Writing in The Wall Street Journal, Kyle Smith said, "Mannered acting, dismal cinematography, clunky attempts to enhance excitement via gimmicks such as slow motion, and a musical score like a fountain of goo all serve as flashbacks to Reagan-era network schlock." Nick Schager of The Daily Beast wrote, "Regardless of how you feel about Ronald Reagan the president, most will be united in finding this biopic a preachy, plodding, graceless groaner."

The Washington Post's Ty Burr gave the film 1.5/4 stars, writing, "The faithful for whom Reagan was made aren't likely to see that it's a hagiography as rosy and shallow as anything in a Kremlin May Day parade. As pop-culture propaganda popaganda, if you will the movie's strictly for true believers. As history, it's worthless." Glenn Kenny of The New York Times deemed the film an "unabashed love letter to the former president", concluding, "It all makes for a plodding film, more curious than compelling."

Bill Newcott of The Saturday Evening Post gave the film 3/5 stars, calling it "A shamelessly adoring biopic that is single-handedly rescued from worshipful ignominy by its star, Dennis Quaid, who stubbornly chips through the script's plaster faade to offer glimpses of a man who spent his entire career concealing his complexities."
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tl;dr
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Wait, contemporary movie critics didn't love a movie depicting a conservative icon in a mostly positive light? Holy ****, what an unforeseeable development.
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Last I'll weigh in for now until I get a chance to see it and judge for myself.

Most US presidents, whether lauded by the left or right, were leaders with flaws and shortcomings who both accomplished a lot during their term(s) and made some mistakes or were led to faulty conclusions by their cabinet. Also, high levels of politics filter out normal people. To even approach the office of the POTUS you almost certainly have to be pretty damn ambitious and willing to set your moral compass aside at times for political convenience. That's why I think you could easily make a movie making our last 10 POTUS look like absolute saints or absolute villains, depending on what you emphasize or marginalize. I think to spend a lot of money on a political biopic trying to capture objective reality of most presidents will not end up playing well to their fans OR their haters. It makes business sense for a studio to create a film like this which focuses on the positive nature of a guy that millions of Americans adore, even if it isn't the full truth.
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aTmAg said:

You mean, did they portray democrats as traitors who sided with the Soviets over America?

No. Like I said, to avoid going 10 hours, they didn't have time to go into much detail on anything. They didn't even mention Afghanistan once, for example.


Gotcha. So they didn't fully discuss Reagan and his administration selling Iran weapons to fund death squads in Central America?
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Sapper Redux said:

aTmAg said:

You mean, did they portray democrats as traitors who sided with the Soviets over America?

No. Like I said, to avoid going 10 hours, they didn't have time to go into much detail on anything. They didn't even mention Afghanistan once, for example.


Gotcha. So they didn't fully discuss Reagan and his administration selling Iran weapons to fund death squads in Central America?



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Sapper Redux said:

aTmAg said:

You mean, did they portray democrats as traitors who sided with the Soviets over America?

No. Like I said, to avoid going 10 hours, they didn't have time to go into much detail on anything. They didn't even mention Afghanistan once, for example.
Gotcha. So they didn't fully discuss Reagan and his administration selling Iran weapons to fund death squads in Central America?
Death squads? There were "death squads" on both sides. It was an ugly war of reprisals. And similar to what is going on in Israel today, the leftist "human rights" organizations seemed very keen on finding examples of atrocities by the Contras while ignoring those of the Sandinistas. There is a reason the Sandinistas got their asses kicked in the election of 1990. Much to the leftists' chagrin. And BTW, no system has caused more death in human history than communism. Yet your party seems to long for it.

And Reagan was told by intel (including Israeli intelligence) that the Iranians that we were selling weapons to were moderates within the government that were looking to take power from the radicals. Not to guys loyal to Khomeini. That turned out to be untrue. The movie didn't show any Iranians or Contras or any of that. It focused on the speeches he made at the time and his and Nancy's relationship behind the scene.
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aTmAg said:

Saw it in a packed theater. I was prepared for it to be cheesy. But it actually was well worth the ticket. It spent time on basically every stage of his life from childhood to death.. So it couldn't go into detail about anything. It covered every anecdote that I've heard about him, plus some. I'll have to look later to see if the unheard ones were accurate or embellishments. It didn't cover much about domestic policy, other than a few statements. It was 90% about his fight against the commies.

Overall, I would highly recommend. Especially if you are a patriot. Though leftists could learn a few things too.

is this on streaming yet?
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LMCane said:

aTmAg said:

Saw it in a packed theater. I was prepared for it to be cheesy. But it actually was well worth the ticket. It spent time on basically every stage of his life from childhood to death.. So it couldn't go into detail about anything. It covered every anecdote that I've heard about him, plus some. I'll have to look later to see if the unheard ones were accurate or embellishments. It didn't cover much about domestic policy, other than a few statements. It was 90% about his fight against the commies.

Overall, I would highly recommend. Especially if you are a patriot. Though leftists could learn a few things too.

is this on streaming yet?
It just came out this weekend in theaters.
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I saw it on Sunday night and really enjoyed it. One of Quaid's best performances IMO.

Several recognizable faces in the cast - two of whom were actually in Air Force One so that was kind of a fun callback. If you're a child of the 80's and 90's, you'll see some familiar faces.

They touch on Reagan's childhood, which really shaped who he was as a person, and his early Hollywood years. But it's primarily a Cold War focused biopic. I liked the angle they took of telling the story from the Soviet perspective. The sequence where they go through each Soviet leader dying had a bit of a 'Death of Stalin' feel to it and added some humor. But I think it portrays Gorbechav favorably.

I was impressed with the way they were able to place "Quaid as Reagan" into the video sequences of the debates with Carter and Mondale and some of the other real footage. There are times when it's hard to tell whether they were using original footage or not.

The ending was very touching. It reminded me of the final scenes of 'American Sniper'.

No, it will not win any awards. It hits on some touchy, awkward, history with Hollywood so I doubt the establishment will receive this well. But in an era of 'shock jock' political films like 'Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter', 'W' and 'Vice' - I think Reagan stands out as one of the more accurate modern political biopics I've ever seen. They don't happen very often, typically these are turned into a mini-series. But for an actual Presidential biopic in theaters, I thought they did good job - and I doubt they had the biggest budget in the world for this one either.

It was nice to see something that provides a little hope and the idea that you can make a positive impact - no matter how flawed you are or how old you are.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

Since TCTTs isn't coming through with 78 tweeted reactions to the film, here's the wiki's section on the movie's critical response


On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, 20% of 46 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 4/10. The website's consensus reads: "While Reagan the movie undoubtedly admires Reagan the man, its cloying and glossy rendering of history flattens the 40th U.S. President into caricature."
I haven't seen the movie yet, but from the Trailers and synopsis I can easily see this criticism being true. When you choose to cover almost the entire lifetime of someone who achieved as much as Reagan and shove it into a single movie I'm not sure you could end up with much else. There just isn't enough time to get into the nitty gritty details of everything.
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Like I said.. given the run length, I don't think they could have done a better job. They really need to do a 10 part miniseries to make it perfect.
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got a ticket for this evening, looking forward to it.
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good stuff in this one. first half was a little slow, second half was excellent. Dennis Quaid and Jon Voight were superb. Bonus points for a Scott Stapp appearance and a full-on 80's montage to the tune of Genesis.
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Gigem314 said:

I was impressed with the way they were able to place "Quaid as Reagan" into the video sequences of the debates with Carter and Mondale and some of the other real footage. There are times when it's hard to tell whether they were using original footage or not.

The cinematography was great, really gave the feel of the era. So difficult to tell what was real footage and what wasn't.
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