All Alamo Drafthouses in DFW are closing

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That reminds me of the Jaws showings ADH would do on Lake Travis in the summer. The movie would play on a large inflatable screen on shore while the audience watched from tubes in the water and scuba divers tried to scare them.

If they're still doing it, I'd recommend it! That was a fun and memorable way to watch a great movie.
Thanks and gig'em
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PlanoAg98 said:

Alamo Draft House & Studio Movie grill used to be the only dine-in theaters in the Dallas area. Now there are a lot more and are much nicer. ADH no longer has a niche in the market.


What are the other dine in theaters? I only really ever heard of ADH and SMG
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Saxsoon said:

PlanoAg98 said:

Alamo Draft House & Studio Movie grill used to be the only dine-in theaters in the Dallas area. Now there are a lot more and are much nicer. ADH no longer has a niche in the market.


What are the other dine in theaters? I only really ever heard of ADH and SMG
There are a number of smaller chains (relative to AMC, Cinemark, etc) that do this now.

Movie Tavern
Film Alley
Moviehouse/Cinepolis
Majestic Cinemas
I'm sure there are plenty I'm unaware of as well.

Also major chains like AMC added dine-in options with recliners.
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I have AMC A list but really haven't come across an AMC that has the food options that an Adh or SMG have. Honestly one of the best deals because one movie and snacks is basically break even anyway and if I pull off two movies it pays for itself
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Putting together the press releases, it looks like there were a few problems. First, they had 6 theaters in this group, and it sounds like some of them were doing very poorly. Not sure which, but Denton seems like a good guess. But their agreement with Alamo wouldn't let them close only some of them.

Second, like other franchisees, they were paying a franchise fee that was based on revenue. So, no matter how thin their margins, they still had to pay the franchise fee.

Last, they just weren't run very well. They had let Cedars get very run down, and I'm sure that didn't help audience size (particularly given all the other factors driving down box office broadly).

So, put it together and it just wasn't going to work. The good news is that Alamo corporate knows how the locations perform and they are already built out for Alamo operations. It would be very easy for them to take over the high-performing locations - hopefully that's how this will shake out.
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FtWorthHorn said:

Putting together the press releases, it looks like there were a few problems. First, they had 6 theaters in this group, and it sounds like some of them were doing very poorly. Not sure which, but Denton seems like a good guess. But their agreement with Alamo wouldn't let them close only some of them.

Second, like other franchisees, they were paying a franchise fee that was based on revenue. So, no matter how thin their margins, they still had to pay the franchise fee.

Last, they just weren't run very well. They had let Cedars get very run down, and I'm sure that didn't help audience size (particularly given all the other factors driving down box office broadly).

So, put it together and it just wasn't going to work. The good news is that Alamo corporate knows how the locations perform and they are already built out for Alamo operations. It would be very easy for them to take over the high-performing locations - hopefully that's how this will shake out.
I assume we will see 3 or 4 reopen. Lake Highlands was always pretty crowded when we were there.
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In Houston, there is also Star Cinema Grill and IPIC
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They gotta make things cheaper to even have HOPE of bringing viewers back into theaters.

The world has just changed so much now after covid and going to the movies just isn't a priority anymore or even a thing anymore for lotsa people. I kinda hate that from a cultural standpoint but I myself have gone from going to the movies 4-5 times a year to once every 12-18 months or so now probably. I still love going but I know when I go I gotta shell out lotsa $$$ at concessions for my family of 4.

Obviously the drafthouse/restaurant in a theater concept is different but still.
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Alamo is usually cheaper for tickets than other theaters.

Honestly, it isn't a bad deal as long as you don't go crazy with food and booze.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

That reminds me of the Jaws showings ADH would do on Lake Travis in the summer. The movie would play on a large inflatable screen on shore while the audience watched from tubes in the water and scuba divers tried to scare them.

If they're still doing it, I'd recommend it! That was a fun and memorable way to watch a great movie.

I did this once years ago and it was such a blast. When I lived in Austin, I went to so many fun Alamo screenings.
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Putting together the press releases, it looks like there were a few problems. First, they had 6 theaters in this group, and it sounds like some of them were doing very poorly. Not sure which, but Denton seems like a good guess. But their agreement with Alamo wouldn't let them close only some of them.

Second, like other franchisees, they were paying a franchise fee that was based on revenue. So, no matter how thin their margins, they still had to pay the franchise fee.

Last, they just weren't run very well. They had let Cedars get very run down, and I'm sure that didn't help audience size (particularly given all the other factors driving down box office broadly).

So, put it together and it just wasn't going to work. The good news is that Alamo corporate knows how the locations perform and they are already built out for Alamo operations. It would be very easy for them to take over the high-performing locations - hopefully that's how this will shake out.

Bingo...

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

They gotta make things cheaper to even have HOPE of bringing viewers back into theaters.

The world has just changed so much now after covid and going to the movies just isn't a priority anymore or even a thing anymore for lotsa people. I kinda hate that from a cultural standpoint but I myself have gone from going to the movies 4-5 times a year to once every 12-18 months or so now probably. I still love going but I know when I go I gotta shell out lotsa $$$ at concessions for my family of 4.

Obviously the drafthouse/restaurant in a theater concept is different but still.

The primary culprit seems to be fewer movies in theaters post-pandemic, due of course to Covid followed by the double strikes. Combined with ridiculously astronomical budgets, ticket prices inevitably rose.

Fewer movies makes it feel like people are going to the theater less - and they are - but the good news is attendance post-pandemic has been proportional to the amount of movies being released. In other words, attendance-per-movie hasn't dropped, but the lower volume of movies, the budget of those movies, and of course inflation, is what has caused ticket prices to rise. Thus, because not enough movies - and good ones at that - are being released, the habit of going to the movies as frequently has dropped as well.

That said, 2025 boasts a ridiculously robust movie slate, and will be the first year since 2019 to feel "normal" again in terms of volume and choice. Couple that return with the already-in-motion mandate of lower budgets all around, and hopefully lower ticket prices eventually return, and attendance grows. We'll of course never return to pre-pandemic levels of attendance, but I do think we'll reach a nice, healthy equilibrium again here over the next couple of years.
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The Collective said:

Hate the death of theaters. One of my favorite places growing up.


So much this.
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Interesting stuff and good to know
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I went to one for Big Trouble in Little China, and they gave out Tec 9 cap guns for the audience to shoot during every shoot out on screen. Think we had some other goofy instructions for magic scenes.

That was at the old one on Highway 6; I've never been all the way out to the newer one in Katy. Last time I had plans for the KLOL movie, unannounced 610 construction ruined those plans.
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TCTTS said:


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Putting together the press releases, it looks like there were a few problems. First, they had 6 theaters in this group, and it sounds like some of them were doing very poorly. Not sure which, but Denton seems like a good guess. But their agreement with Alamo wouldn't let them close only some of them.

Second, like other franchisees, they were paying a franchise fee that was based on revenue. So, no matter how thin their margins, they still had to pay the franchise fee.

Last, they just weren't run very well. They had let Cedars get very run down, and I'm sure that didn't help audience size (particularly given all the other factors driving down box office broadly).

So, put it together and it just wasn't going to work. The good news is that Alamo corporate knows how the locations perform and they are already built out for Alamo operations. It would be very easy for them to take over the high-performing locations - hopefully that's how this will shake out.

Bingo...


More to the story I'm sure, but it seems like the franchisee was destined for failure here.
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From the article:

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They said "an effort was made to contact all 600-plus employees" before the closure of the theaters.


I am but a simple sole proprietor that works alone, but this seems like an excessive amount of employees for 6 theaters.
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CenterHillAg said:

From the article:

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They said "an effort was made to contact all 600-plus employees" before the closure of the theaters.


I am but a simple sole proprietor that works alone, but this seems like an excessive amount of employees for 6 theaters.


100 employees per theater. Assume most are part time kids in school. Maybe it takes 20-30 employees to run a shift, so that seems about right.

A couple to sell tickets, a couple to sell food and merch, a couple bartenders, a couple waiters for each screen, some people to clean theaters, some dishwashers, some cooks, some night porters, some managers. It could pretty easily go over 30 on a busy night.
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BurnetAggie99 said:

Still 5 Locations in Austin.
Too bad they started to add a 20% service charge for their crappy service. They have one of the easier server jobs and alamo food is already over priced.
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AustinAg2K said:

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NoahAg said:

First time I went to an Alamo Drafthouse I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. I think I saw A Beautiful Mind. Maybe I'm in the minority but I just don't enjoy going to the theater anymore. Too many entertainment options at home. More comfortable. The last few times I've been the theater was like a ghost town. I don't know how they're surviving.


I'm in a similar boat. I was shocked when my Furiosa ticket was $19 the other day. The theater is in walking distance, too.

My threshold for seeing a movie in theater has gone up. For $19, I had better feel very confident I'll enjoy it. Otherwise I'll catch it later.


This is where I am at. The movie industry really needs to reign in prices. This likely means making less expensive movies, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Besides being about $20 a ticket, every theater is now a full dining experience, where popcorn costs $15, a drink is another $10, etc.

I'm definitely an old man telling at clouds, but I miss "regular theaters." I don't like the servers constantly in and out, and I just don't have interest in spending $30 on a burger I'm eating in the dark.

The closest Alamo to me in Austin:
- ticket: 13.50
- popcorn (free refills): 10
- soda (free refills): 6
- burger + fries: 17

All seems reasonable to me - at least similar to your average restaurant in the area. Pick your nostalgic movie going age and a comparable market and I'll bet those numbers aren't that far off adjusted for inflation.

I agree about the wait staff and darkness, though. Too many distractions.
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Good job Dallas! One more thing you've managed to screw up.
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Angelica in Plano is also closing.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/angelika-film-center-closes-its-plano-doors-after-20-years/3562426/
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I used to go to Alamo quite a bit. I started going, because it was worth the extra few bucks, to be able to reserve my seat. That was a game changer.

Their fun previews and good food was what brought me back. They used to have a Hatch Green Chile Mac N Cheese dish that was freaking amazing. I'd go see a movie there, just to get that dish.

But now? Most all theatres have reserved, reclining seats and expanded snack/meal options. There really isn't anything separating them from the other theatres anymore.

I'll still go from time-to-time, because they have the show/time I'm looking for. But they aren't much different than my local Cinemark (other than the goofy previews).


On a related note:
Movies used to be a cheap entertainment option. I used to go all the time with my parents, on dates, and with my kids when I became a parent. Yeah, snacks were pricey, but nothing like today.

Now it's an $100 night for a family of four, if you only get cokes and bucket of popcorn to share. They need to get back to being an inexpensive option...the focus needs to be getting people in the door. You're competing with $13/month Streaming options...counter accordingly.
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Alamo Drafthouse acquired by Sony entertainment
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Agree 100% on pricing strategy. Movie theaters seem to be taking the opposite tack and turning themselves into a premium experience. How many times have we seen or heard someone say, "You have to see this on the BIG SCREEN." The whole pitch is that theaters are more premium than watching a movie at home and can charge accordingly.

But you know what? I can pause a movie at home. I don't have to deal with noisy audience members at home. I can wear my pajamas and cozy up under a blanket at home. And I don't have to pay out the nose for popcorn and a soda at home. With how affordable a big and fancy tv is, theaters don't have a monopoly on sound or picture quality, either.

The chains think the features they borrowed from the Alamo (reserved, comfortable seating, food in the theater, etc) justifies them charging more, but the premium movie watching experience is at home. The theater is about experiencing something as a group, whether it's a new movie or a cult classic, in an audience or with a bunch of friends, and that experience is less likely when the price of entry becomes too high and audiences thin out.
Thanks and gig'em
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Not for me. If you're middle class, you're not going to have a screen or audio setup that comes anywhere close to what you can get at a decent cinema now. Like, not even in the same vicinity. I go to the cinema for a movie I'm excited about specifically for the AV experience, Id just as soon there be no one else in there, the crowd is a non-factor and usually involves ******bags on their phones or making noise.
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Good news!


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But wait, we were told that people don't go to the movies anymore and theaters are dead?
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Going woke with the therian in the we're back post
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Still two in SA including one 10 minutes from my house. Food doesn't seem as good as before but prices are still relatively reasonable. The problem is there just doesnt seem to be as many movies made that compel me to leave the house to watch. Twenty years ago I would go 2-3 times a month during peak movie season. These days it's more like one every 6-8 weeks.
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People still go. Movies just don't influence the rest of the culture to the extent they once did, if they still do at all.
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The one here in Minnesota is opening back up as well
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I beg to differ.

Just to name a few...

- Avatar: The Way of Water
- Barbie
- The Batman
- Coda
- Dune: Part One
- Dune: Part Two
- Elvis
- Everything Everywhere All at Once
- Godzilla Minus One
- Inside Out 2
- John Wick: Chapter 4
- Minions: The Rise of Gru
- Oppenheimer
- Top Gun: Maverick
- Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
- Spider-Man: No Way Home
- The Super Mario Bros. Movie

... have all undeniably "influenced the rest of culture" in the Covid/Post-Covid era.

Are movies as central to the culture as they once were? Obviously not. But they absolutely still "influence the culture," 100%.
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I have seen most of those that have left theaters but none in theaters except Barbie. We used to see so many more movies in theaters before covid. They can still influence culture with people seeing them at home.
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Complete Idiot said:

Going woke with the therian in the we're back post
cmon I had to do a google to find the right word to use in my attempt to poke fun at our entertainment board, nothing?
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