watched the trailer.....i loved the movie and really like that they seem to be taking it a different direction instead of rehashing the same story like so many other projects

the one thing about the original movie that didn't make sense is now seems to be eliminated (haven't watched an episode yet but just in case blocking out a plot point from the movie for those that haven't seen it)...which is why in the hell did the two agencies pitt and jolie worked for want them to kill each other and then try to kill them both when they clearly were good assassins....never made any dang sense....

so ibased on the trailer the husband and wife im assuming work for the same agency and get assigned to each other and their fake lives?

....might have to give this a watch my wife really liked the movie as well....

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watched the trailer.....i loved the movie and really like that they seem to be taking it a different direction instead of rehashing the same story like so many other projects

the one thing about the original movie that didn't make sense is now seems to be eliminated (haven't watched an episode yet but just in case blocking out a plot point from the movie for those that haven't seen it)...which is why in the hell did the two agencies pitt and jolie worked for want them to kill each other and then try to kill them both when they clearly were good assassins....never made any dang sense....

so ibased on the trailer the husband and wife im assuming work for the same agency and get assigned to each other and their fake lives?

....might have to give this a watch my wife really liked the movie as well....

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Yeah, in this version they work for the same agency. And the mystery of the agency - who's behind it, what their goals/missions are, etc - is played up more as well. Overall, while not as flashy or sexy as the original, the setup here definitely makes more sense.

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I had no idea this even existed.

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Enjoy your 45 minute wormhole.

And a reminder to everyone that adaptations/reboots didn't begin yesterday. We been recycling this **** for decades.

(I'm not even sure Brad/Angie knew this existed.)

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Wait- what are we calling "the original"?

Because it better be this.



(Maria Bello should have had a bigger career.)

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How did I not know about this? I have been a bakuka fan since Quantum Leap. I even stuck with Enterprise way longer than.it deserved.

Watched the first 3 episodes last night. I'd give it a B. More relationship dialogue over action so far. Not badly done, but hope action starts increasing.

I get wanting more action, but they're basically doing one action sequence per episode, which feels about right for a show of this scale. Honestly, though, I could not care less about the action. Three episodes in, and for me it's more about the vibes, the style, the locations, the guest stars, etc. It's more of a "hang out" show, with some great cinematography, and some cool architecture/sets I just like living in for an hour.

Yes, I wish the actress playing Jane was less of a Debbie Downer, and more of a cinematically traditional spy (charismatic, sexier, etc), but I get what they're going for.

I don't know, overall, it's all just really working for me.

3 episodes in and interest is waning... I realize that the spying part is second fiddle to the relationship. But the relationship isn't holding the attention. And, for so called spies, their field craft is absolutely horrible. So finding it hard not to stay off the phone while watching.

Though, the wife and I have a new saying for a certain bodily function, it is now... 'I'm taking a walk to get some snacks'. That was pretty funny...

Episode 1 - watch the pretzel! It regenerates!

I do agree that their chemistry is somewhat lacking. Glover is great as always, but I wish they would have found someone who played just a little better opposite him. I think part of it has to do with rushing the relationship. The pilot gave me the impression that this was going to be a season-long will-they-won't-they, but then all the sudden they were coupled up/falling for each other by the end of episode two. So them being together now doesn't feel quite as earned. That said, it's now clear why the filmmakers went that route, as they wanted to do a full-on relationship dramedy. In that sense, for me, episode four finally felt like the show they've been trying to get to, and despite my slight misgivings, I can totally respect their aim. Now I'm just along for the ride.

Made it through six episodes this weekend and definitely enjoying it for what it is. Never saw the movie so I have no expectations on how I wanted this to go. Anyway, I think it's obvious who their employer is.

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I do agree that their chemistry is somewhat lacking. Glover is great as always, but I wish they would have found someone who played just a little better opposite him. I think part of it has to do with rushing the relationship. The pilot gave me the impression that this was going to be a season-long will-they-won't-they, but then all the sudden they were coupled up/falling for each other by the end of episode two. So them being together now doesn't feel quite as earned. That said, it's now clear why the filmmakers went that route, as they wanted to do a full-on relationship dramedy. In that sense, for me, episode four finally felt like the show they've been trying to get to, and despite my slight misgivings, I can totally respect their aim. Now I'm just along for the ride.

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I think that is a good call on your spoiler - it did make things feel "off" for a few episodes.

Episode 6 is where I felt it really hit its stride.

Bait and switch.

I was expecting it to be more like the movie. There's too much dialogue and not enough action.

Not my cup of tea.

I don't quite see how it was a "bait and switch" when everything but the title - the trailer, the two leads, the filmmakers, this thread, etc - told you it was doing something very different from the movie.

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I don't quite see how it was a "bait and switch" when everything but the title - the trailer, the two leads, the filmmakers, this thread, etc - told you it was doing something very different from the movie.

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I didn't know about the premise of the show before watching it. Just thought it would be similar to the movie based on the title.

It's okay, though. It was just a general statement and nothing in response to what was posted on this thread.

I watched the first two episodes of this and, while I very much appreciated the different twist on this and think it had a lot of potential, I think I'm out.

The female lead definitely isn't working for me at all.

But my main problem is with the moral compass, or lack thereof, of the main characters. They're basically just sociopaths.

They showed zero remorse for blowing 9 people up, most of whom were simple servants or caterers. They don't even know if the presumed target was "bad" or not.

They did show more remorse for killing Turturro, which didn't really make a lot of sense either, since he at least seemed like a bad guy.

I could handle a show where you're not really sure whether the agency's actions were justifiable or not, but the characters not really caring or even speculating one way or another doesn't make me want to invest in those characters at all.

Spoiler tags please.

In general, I hear you, but I get the distinct impression they think they're killing bad guys.

There was also something off about the people at the house where the cake bomb went off, which I noticed the moment they arrived. I'm not saying everyone there was in on whatever potential nefarious crap was going down, but I don't think it was nine innocent people who died either.

As for Turturro, I think it was less about remorse for killing him, and more disappointment in themselves that they failed their mission, in that they were given explicit instructions to keep him alive. Honestly, I was more focused on the fact that a missing billionaire would be all over the news, and John and Jane were the last people to be seen with him, getting into a car they owned, which was all no doubt caught on CCTV cameras. That's what really bugged me, seeing as there was zero follow up on that end.

Finally, in episode four, the killing definitely starts to take its toll on them, and they have a more human reaction to it all. Though, they *are* back to joking around per usual by episode's end.

Again, I get where you're coming from, and if they're still unfazed by everything by season's end, I'll be right there with you. I just want to see how the rest of the season plays out first.

Finished it.

Huh...

I thought the first episode was the best one. Sadly, it continued to go downhill from there. I love me some Donald glover so I stuck it out but it definitely wasn't worth the time.

The entire last episode had so many plot holes and situations where if the characters just talked, there wouldn't have been a plot at all.

Season gripes.
I don't think enough was explored on hihi by the end of the season, either. I also hated how many cliffhangers at the end of the episodes there were... It was like I was watching early 2000s network television. The last cliffhanger being the dumbest of all.

They seem they are very untrained at times, but then execute missions flawlessly. The fart dialogue was fantastic. I am enjoying the dynamic between the two. It seems like the lack of chemistry that is on and off makes sense since they were matched. I got 2 more episodes. Entertaining enough to finish. Therapy episode was well done.

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I watched the first two episodes of this and, while I very much appreciated the different twist on this and think it had a lot of potential, I think I'm out.

The female lead definitely isn't working for me at all.

But my main problem is with the moral compass, or lack thereof, of the main characters. They're basically just sociopaths.

They showed zero remorse for blowing 9 people up, most of whom were simple servants or caterers. They don't even know if the presumed target was "bad" or not.

They did show more remorse for killing Turturro, which didn't really make a lot of sense either, since he at least seemed like a bad guy.

I could handle a show where you're not really sure whether the agency's actions were justifiable or not, but the characters not really caring or even speculating one way or another doesn't make me want to invest in those characters at all.

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Turturro was their kill, whereas they had no idea a bomb was in the cake. They themselves could have been victims.

They had scienter for the former, and they weren't even supposed to kill him. They were unwitting accomplices to the latter.

At least that's how I rationalize it. Admittedly I'm only through the first two episodes thus far with the wife. We plan on continuing.

Finished it. It was ok. Left a lottobe desired for a season 1 ending.

Finished the season.

Thought the finale FANTASTIC.

It didn't matter who lived or died, what was important was they finally heard and genuinely cared for each other, to the point of being willing to die for one another. Which I found genuinely moving, and so incredibly well done.

As for the season on the whole, I loved the action, the locations, and especially the aforementioned look/overall vibe, while they even managed to turn Jane's coldness and her lack of chemistry with John into a major plot point/point of contention, which was a welcomed surprise.

That said, one of the complaints here I agree with is that the spy craft, and especially the rules/logic of hihi, were severely lacking. I get that the whole point of the show is to essentially be a relationship metaphor on steroids, and that the filmmakers were far more concerned with that aspect than everything else. But the whole hihi thing was so underdeveloped that it often detracted from the bigger picture. On one hand, hihi was super strict about the three strike rule, to the point of death being a consequence, while also having the ability to keep tabs on John and Jane from seemingly anywhere, as if it were an advanced AI, which it very well could have been. But then on the other hand, hihi never seemed to care about all their more minor slip ups, rule breaks, John maintaining a relationship with his mother, etc, with zero consequences on that end. Also, despite how much I loved their house, why give them such a ridiculously sick and expensive one, raising all kinds of red flags in the process, to the point of neighborhood suspicion/obsession? Overall, the whole hihi thing was just so inconsistent throughout, and straight up didn't make sense more often than not. I don't even care that we never learned hihi's identity, I just wanted some consistent logic there.

That, and these eight episodes felt like two seasons worth of material stuffed into one, as John and Jane went from standoff-ish to lovers to trying to kill each other to trusting each other way too fast, with so much of it (like, months of time) yada yada-ed between episodes and in therapy sessions.

Still, in the end, going out on what I felt was an incredibly high note was enough for me. With a little more time (even just two more episodes) and consistency it could have been a great season, but in this instance I'll settle for good-but-flawed, with a killer ending.

Great points. I thought the spy stuff was very lacking and not what I would expect from sophiscation and the inconsistency of being monitor and accountable. I was too lazy to do all the spoiler tags. I agree that they could have drawn this out to two great seasons with the relationship changes. I do think a lot of time went by in missions but could be wrong. Hard to tell. I would watch a S2 if they renewed it. It ended better than I expected as I was kinda bored in the beginning.

I DO hope it gets picked up for a second season.

A genesis of Paul Dano's character and fit in the storyline has a good runway to add to the show