I looked and found only individual threads, so with this latest news I figured I'd start a franchise thread to cover the rest of the movies.

For the record, as of now…

Avatar 3 = December,19, 2025
Avatar 4 = December 21, 2029
Avatar 5 = December 19, 2031

Avatar 3 has completed principal photography and they've already shot parts of 4. As Cameron tells it…

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"We did the [motion capture] capture on three and the live-action photography on three as an intermingled production with ['Avatar: The Way of Water'], and we even did part of movie four because our young characters are all going to have a big time jump in movie four," Cameron said. "We see them and then we go away for six years and we come back. And so the part where we come back is the part we haven't shot yet. So we'll start on that after three is released."

Considering Cameron said filming the remainder of "Avatar 4" won't occur until "Avatar 3" opens, it appears Worthington and the cast might be returning to Cameron's studio next month for "Avatar 3" post-production needs such as ADR dialogue replacement. Worthington wouldn't disclose the specifics of his return.

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The in-universe "go away for six years and then come back" for the fourth movie is due to the action - and at least Zoe Saldana's Neytiri - heading to Earth, which I think could be really cool and a welcomed change to mix things up.

Anyway, we probably won't see a trailer for the third Avatar until spring 2025, but in the meantime, any news/discussion can go here.

Pandora is calling. Sam Worthington says "we go back to work" on James Cameron #Avatar sequels "in a month and it’s big. It’s bigger than you can imagine."

Cameron previously said “Avatar 3″ is “right on track” for its Dec. 19, 2025 release date. https://t.co/smPjoXTWgZ pic.twitter.com/oB1ezud5ml

— Variety (@Variety) January 9, 2024

Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

Also, side note besides the movies, an Avatar game came out last month. It's not a masterpiece, but if you like the franchise, it does a pretty good job capturing the feel. Plays a lot like recent Far Cry games in terms of gameplay.

wangus12 said:

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Sam Worthington hit the absolute jackpot with being cast in that role lol

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If you haven't seen the movie Titan with Sam, check it out. A really good sci fi flick.

I have. I actually like him in most everything he's done. Clash of the Titans, Titan, Terminator Salvation

wangus12 said:

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Sam Worthington hit the absolute jackpot with being cast in that role lol

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He can thank Matt Damon for turning it down. Also, with the deal Damon had on the table IIRC he would have made apprx $250MM for the first Avatar alone.

TCTTS said:

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Zoe Saldana's Neytiri - heading to Earth,

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I;m assuming she'll be shot on sight as a foreign terrorist.

bluefire579 said:

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Also, side note besides the movies, an Avatar game came out last month. It's not a masterpiece, but if you like the franchise, it does a pretty good job capturing the feel. Plays a lot like recent Far Cry games in terms of gameplay.

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I don't even own a PS5, but have been considering buying one, mainly to play all the RE games.

This will certainly be on my list to play if/when I do.

If not, I'll wait for the port to Switch 2.

wangus12 said:

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Sam Worthington hit the absolute jackpot with being cast in that role lol

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Matt Damon turned down 10% because he conflicted with one of the Bourne's.

The Anchor said:

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Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

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Probably not worth it at home.

The Anchor said:

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Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

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This was the same comment made by literally everyone about the first movie before the sequel came out, predicting the sequel would flop.

I, TC, and a few others were the only ones who were smart enough to never doubt JC.

Speaking of, who's down for some early box office predictions for part 3? It's never too early.

Alright, here's my early BO prediction for 3.

Seeing how Way of Water (and now the video game) re-ignited interest for Avatar and brought in a new generation of fans, as well as the great reception for it, here's what I'm going with...

Domestic: $715M (+4.5% from WoW, -9% from Avatar)
Worldwide: $2.6B (+11% from WoW, -10% from Avatar)

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Avatar is weird. Made billions, but has had virtually no impact on culture.

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That is weird. Maybe because they're an experiment in FX and marginal stories?

Just cause I'm bored --

If that prediction were to hold, it would put the franchise at $7.8B total worldwide, good for the #7 spot on the all-time highest grossing franchises.

Current franchise rankings (Worldwide):
1. MCU - 29.8B
2. Spider-Man - 10.5B
3. Star Wars - 10.3B
4. HP/Wizarding World - 9.6B
5. Bond - 7.8B
6. Avengers - 7.7B
7. Fast & Furious - 7.3B
8. DCEU - 7B
9. Batman - 6.8B
10. X-Men - 6B

(Seems weird to count the Avengers movies in two separate franchises, but whatever.)

Its average per film would be 2.614B (currently at 2.62B), which is a far and away the best average for any franchise.

Highest average per film ranking (Worldwide):
1. Avatar - 2.62B
2. Avengers - 1.94B
3. Jurassic - 1B
4. Middle Earth - 987M
5. Star Wars (Skywalker Saga) - 978M
6. Harry Potter - 972M
7. Despicable Me - 929M
8. MCU - 903M
9. Pirates of the Caribbean - 904M
10. Spider-Man - 808M

Wow..this goes to show how far removed I am from pop culture.


I've 2 MCU movies.
3 Spider Man
11 Star wars
All but 2 of the HP
Haven't seen a Bond film since Roger Moore
I've never seen an Avengers movie.
Never Seen F&F
I don't know what DCEU is. Superman? I saw 1-2-3-4 with Christopher Reeve.
I saw Batman in 1989. I think I saw the Clooney one. Not sure.
Have never seen an X-men

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Alright, here's my early BO prediction for 3.

Seeing how Way of Water (and now the video game) re-ignited interest for Avatar and brought in a new generation of fans, as well as the great reception for it, here's what I'm going with...

Domestic: $715M (+4.5% from WoW, -9% from Avatar)
Worldwide: $2.6B (+11% from WoW, -10% from Avatar)

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With no big, traditional blockbuster releasing December 2023 or December 2024, I think audiences are going to be starved for one come Christmas 2025. But yeah, it won't be quite as big as the second movie, so this sounds about right. Either way, it'll make bank.

Also, I have a feeling it's going to have somewhat of a sense of finality to it, seeing as there was talk at one point that 4 and 5 might either never get made, or that Cameron might hand the reigns off for those two. Plus, 4 won't come out for another four years after this one, at minimum. Point being, it sounds like three is the end of one story (my guess is Jake dies), which could add to the hype/repeat viewings, and that 4 and 5 are more their own story after that (hence the six-year time jump).

Is #3 the one with the Pron title? TC's reaction to that might be my all-time favorite of his posts.

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The Anchor said:

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Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

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Probably not worth it at home.

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It's absolutely worth watching, even at home. I don't care how much people try and play down these movies, they're incredible, and the second one might even be better than the first. It has everything the first movie has, but with an added Amblin/Spielberg vibe, re: the whole family/kids angle, and I loved every minute.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Is #3 the one with the Pron title? TC's reaction to that might be my all-time favorite of his posts.

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"The Seed Bearer" has officially been scrapped as the title for the third movie, according to the Jon Landau, the film's producer. We're now waiting on a replacement title to be announced.

TCTTS said:

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Rudyjax said:

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The Anchor said:

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Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

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Probably not worth it at home.

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It's absolutely worth watching, even at home. I don't care how much people try and play down these movies, they're incredible, and the second one might even be better than the first. It has everything the first movie has, but with an added Amblin/Spielberg vibe, re: the whole family/kids angle, and I loved every minute.

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I thought it was well worth it to watch in the theatre but without the big screen wouldn't be as enjoyable. Just me.

Ha, you're actually close on one of those. Of the initial leaked list with the four sequel titles (which named "The Way of Water" long before it was officially announced), "The Tulkun Rider" was/is the title of the fourth movie (while "The Quest for Eywa" was/is the fifth).

TCTTS said:

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Ha, you're actually close on one of those. Of the initial leaked list with the four sequel titles (which named "The Way of Water" long before it was officially announced), "The Tulkun Rider" was/is the title of the fourth movie (while "The Quest for Eywa" was/is the fifth).

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TCTTS said:

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Rudyjax said:

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The Anchor said:

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Honestly forgot they even made a sequel. I never watched it. Is it worth watching? I enjoyed the first one.

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Probably not worth it at home.

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It's absolutely worth watching, even at home. I don't care how much people try and play down these movies, they're incredible, and the second one might even be better than the first. It has everything the first movie has, but with an added Amblin/Spielberg vibe, re: the whole family/kids angle, and I loved every minute.

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Way of Water felt like a James Cameron's biggest hits, in the best possible way. Felt like Avatar, Terminator 2, Aliens, and even a bit of Titanic, all thrown together.

As for Jake dying, I can't remember if I ever posted my theory about that on the other thread, but my theory is Jake dies in 3 and Lo'ak is the one who brings all the clans together for the big climactic fight in 4-5. (And Kiri is definitely gonna play a huge role going forward. She's probably an embodiment of Eywa and will eventually be able to control everything.)

And the seeds have already been planted for Lo'ak and Tsirerya's love story to come into the forefront in 3. They probably lead the armies together eventually.

Spider is interesting, cause I have no idea where his story is going. I think he eventually gets an Avatar body, but I think there's a good chance he flips to the humans' side, especially after Neytiri almost killed him.

James Cameron says he has ideas for ‘AVATAR 6 & 7’.

“I'll probably be handing the baton on at that point. I mean, mortality catches up.”

(Source: https://t.co/FWYZ1dxACv) pic.twitter.com/BF83QSfgvS

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) February 5, 2024

James Cameron is on stage talking about the ‘AVATAR’ franchise at Disney Entertainment Showcase. #D23

(📸: @empiremagazine) pic.twitter.com/kCHjiM0QSu

— The Streamr (@The_Streamr) August 10, 2024

Cameron says we are going into "really challenging territory" with #Avatar3 and it's the most emotional of the three films. "It is not what you expect, but it is definitely what you want." And now he introduces Zoe Saladana and Sam Worthington #D23Event

— The Playlist (@ThePlaylistNews) August 10, 2024

‘AVATAR 3’ has more emotional stakes than ever before.

He adds that there will be new cultures, biomes and settings in Pandora never seen before.

“It’s not what you expect but it’s what you want” pic.twitter.com/rMOLt1FCoY

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) August 10, 2024

Just announced at #D23, our title for the next Avatar film:

Avatar: Fire and Ash. Get ready to journey back to Pandora, in theaters December 19, 2025. pic.twitter.com/gZkCCsTl9x

— Avatar (@officialavatar) August 10, 2024

So much better than The Seed Bearer, which was the original title (for real).

New #Avatar3 concept art is shown along with a title reveal - #Avatar: Fire and Ash - at the #D23 Entertainment Showcase pic.twitter.com/i8pXcMLfV1

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) August 10, 2024

(WATCH) First looks at ‘Avatar Fire and Ash’ #D23 pic.twitter.com/iUhASaHBAz

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) August 10, 2024

First concept for ‘AVATAR 3’

In theaters December 2025. pic.twitter.com/UjL7Pi04kX

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) August 10, 2024