What on earth are you going on about? For those who didn't see it, I assume he's talking about my post on Premium, where I said, well over a week ago, that an offer had officially been made to Dan Lanning… but that the powers-that-be of course had little confidence he would accept, a point I re-iterated throughout the thread. As I've mentioned multiple times, I worked for the team for five years, am a fourth generation Aggie, etc, and still have connections to/family members in the program. Why on earth any of this makes me look "ridiculous," I have absolutely no idea, but I find it hilarious how obsessed WestAustinAg is with continually trying to burn me.

Can we go back to hating The Last Jedi like God intended?

I'll start. Seeing this live, I couldn't believe it.

Couldn't believe good? Or couldn't believe it bad?

Bad. The special effects are OK - though I don't think they fit the style of Star Wars. And it broke canon. And somehow the damage spread directly through all the ships? Definite deus ex machina to me.

I'm far from a TLJ defender. That moment was badass.

And it should've been Leia doing it. Can't imagine a better way for her to go out.

Or...

Admiral Ackbar. "It's...a .... trap!" *Hits button*

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I'm far from a TLJ defender. That moment was badass.

And it should've been Leia doing it. Can't imagine a better way for her to go out.

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In agreement on both accounts. Luke dying in the second-to-last movie instead of the last movie never made any damn sense, and always felt so premature.

I've come to realize something from this thread.

Ultimately, The Last Jedi is a bad movie due to many different things within the movie. And, these problems were caused by many different things outside the movie.

The bickering about what exactly makes it bad or why it is bad cannot be narrowed down to a single issue because the sources of badness are many.

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Agreed, but if memory serves, the original intent was that the third movie was going to be Leia-focused. And then I believe Carrie Fisher died right after TLJ had wrapped production, right about the time that Rogue One released.

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What on earth are you going on about? For those who didn't see it, I assume he's talking about my post on Premium, where I said, well over a week ago, that an offer had officially been made to Dan Lanning… but that the powers-that-be of course had little confidence he would accept, a point I re-iterated throughout the thread. As I've mentioned multiple times, I worked for the team for five years, am a fourth generation Aggie, etc, and still have connections to/family members in the program. Why on earth any of this makes me look "ridiculous," I have absolutely no idea, but I find it hilarious how obsessed WestAustinAg is with continually trying to burn me.

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It was hilarious then and it's fascinating now. Your post was that an offer was made to Oregon's Lanning and that he hadn't turned it down. But Lanning was never interested. He said so and after the press conference where he said he would entertain no offers. Billy Liucci replied that he was never in the table but you still believed there was interest and an offer.

This is just an example of who you are or at least how you come off to many of us. Maybe it's why you get removed from the platform for long periods. You're actually just completely full of yourself.

No one cares

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Can we go back to hating The Last Jedi like God intended?

I'll start. Seeing this live, I couldn't believe it.

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I couldn't either. I was like, "WhereTF was this 90 minutes and all of their ships ago?"

Visually a nice scene, but then why didn't they just use a lightspeed missile to destroy the original death star?

Also, they were able to make a planet sized death star with the range to shoot other star systems and a miniature, portable version to use on a planet's surface, but they couldn't make a medium one for the mega ship to have the range to pick off other ships? In no shipbuilding world does this make sense. They also couldn't launch eleventy billion fighters at them?

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What on earth are you going on about? For those who didn't see it, I assume he's talking about my post on Premium, where I said, well over a week ago, that an offer had officially been made to Dan Lanning… but that the powers-that-be of course had little confidence he would accept, a point I re-iterated throughout the thread. As I've mentioned multiple times, I worked for the team for five years, am a fourth generation Aggie, etc, and still have connections to/family members in the program. Why on earth any of this makes me look "ridiculous," I have absolutely no idea, but I find it hilarious how obsessed WestAustinAg is with continually trying to burn me.

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It was hilarious then and it's fascinating now. Your post was that an offer was made to Oregon's Lanning and that he hadn't turned it down. But Lanning was never interested. He said so and after the press conference where he said he would entertain no offers. Billy Liucci replied that he was never in the table but you still believed there was interest and an offer.

This is just an example of who you are or at least how you come off to many of us. Maybe it's why you get removed from the platform for long periods. You're actually just completely full of yourself.

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In TC's defense, of course Billy is going to say that.

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Seriously. There are entire boards devoted to arguing about football.

They addressed it in the last movie (forgot the name of it already lol). They explained it away like they explained Palpatine returning.

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What on earth are you going on about? For those who didn't see it, I assume he's talking about my post on Premium, where I said, well over a week ago, that an offer had officially been made to Dan Lanning… but that the powers-that-be of course had little confidence he would accept, a point I re-iterated throughout the thread. As I've mentioned multiple times, I worked for the team for five years, am a fourth generation Aggie, etc, and still have connections to/family members in the program. Why on earth any of this makes me look "ridiculous," I have absolutely no idea, but I find it hilarious how obsessed WestAustinAg is with continually trying to burn me.

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It was hilarious then and it's fascinating now. Your post was that an offer was made to Oregon's Lanning and that he hadn't turned it down. But Lanning was never interested. He said so and after the press conference where he said he would entertain no offers. Billy Liucci replied that he was never in the table but you still believed there was interest and an offer.

This is just an example of who you are or at least how you come off to many of us. Maybe it's why you get removed from the platform for long periods. You're actually just completely full of yourself.

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So because a coach denied interest in a public press conference, you really think we just threw up our hands and didn't do our due diligence? If you believe that, you're even more ignorant than I thought. Also, just because he hadn't yet officially turned down the offer doesn't mean he was considering it. It just meant that there was a window where it hadn't yet been addressed and was technically still possible, however remote. A remoteness that I reiterated, along with the fact that no one really expected anything to come of it, multiple times. The "news" was that we simply didn't take his initial no for an answer, which goes against nothing Liucci said.

I swear, some of you truly are blinded to basic common sense by how much you hate me. It really is so incredibly weird, if not a little disturbing, and that's the last I'll say of any of that here.

To make this Star Wars related...

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I've come to realize something from this thread.

Ultimately, The Last Jedi is a bad movie due to many different things within the movie. And, these problems were caused by many different things outside the movie.

The bickering about what exactly makes it bad or why it is bad cannot be narrowed down to a single issue because the sources of badness are many.

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This might very well be the first Last Jedi thread where, as a collective consciousness, we've finally come to this (very right) conclusion.

Nature is healing

Anyone else feel like General Hux was the Jar Jar Binks of the first order?



ETA - also, the whole interaction between Luthen and Lonni in Andor was such a masterpiece regarding the espionage in-universe and just further made Hux's role as a spy in TROS look like a cartoon.

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I've come to realize something from this thread.

Ultimately, The Last Jedi is a bad movie due to many different things within the movie. And, these problems were caused by many different things outside the movie.

The bickering about what exactly makes it bad or why it is bad cannot be narrowed down to a single issue because the sources of badness are many.

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This might very well be the first Last Jedi thread where, as a collective consciousness, we've finally come to this (very right) conclusion.

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We arent done until we assign and agree on the percentages for each of these many different things that caused this abortion.

I can start a new thread if y'all would like. Just let me know!

I would like to ask team TC to consider accepting that the woke agenda was ~60% to blame.

I enjoyed Ep 7, even though it was a remake of 4. It was much better done than 1, 2, & 3,

I watched 8 & 9 once in the theater. Have no desire to see them again. If 1 through 7 is on TV, I'll likely leave it on that channel. If 8 & 9 are on, I won't tune in.

After 7, they had a good cast of characters to build around, but they never seemed to team up in the following episodes.

Also, I get artificial gravity on the spacecrafts, I did not understand bombers that used gravity to drop the bombs in space. Which ever movie that scene was in irritated me.

I hated 8 way more than 9, probably because 8 was so bad.... totally set me up for 9 of (oh, well it wasn't as bad as 8)...which is a pretty low bar

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I enjoyed Ep 7, even though it was a remake of 4. It was much better done than 1, 2, & 3,

I watched 8 & 9 once in the theater. Have no desire to see them again. If 1 through 7 is on TV, I'll likely leave it on that channel. If 8 & 9 are on, I won't tune in.

After 7, they had a good cast of characters to build around, but they never seemed to team up in the following episodes.

Also, I get artificial gravity on the spacecrafts, I did not understand bombers that used gravity to drop the bombs in space. Which ever movie that scene was in irritated me.

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While I know you're talking about the big bomber fleet at the beginning of The Last Jedi, did you also have a problem with this sequence in what many consider the best Star Wars movie?



These are literally called TIE Bombers.

That didn't show bombs in racks falling.

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They're still bombs.

That seems like a stretch. That looks like energy that is transported pretty quickly from the ship to the ground. Not some actual physical bomb that has to be fed into some huge apparatus.

Wouldn't an asteroid of that size have it's own gravity?

As the resident Star Wars Sunshine Pumper, I will say that walking out of the Last Jedi was the only time I've felt let down by a Star Wars movie on first glance. I didn't mind Luke's arc at all, but the way that 3PO, R2, and Chewie, and Poe were all sidelined, Admiral Ackbar dying without a word, the horrible way they had Leia use the Force, and the useless Rose / Finn sidequest that had no result whatsoever were all really dumb things.

Upon subsequent viewings, most of that stuff is more acceptable because I do enjoy the Luke-Rey scenes, the killing of Snoke, and the Luke-Ren "fight" at the end. I wish Luke hadn't died, but this mind trick to project his NIL across the galaxy to the point that it even fooled C3PO is pretty great, and the Luke-Leia scene with the full realization that is was one of her last is really special. The music cue when Ren kills Snoke and Rey catches her lightsaber back is also pure joy ,as is R2's "cheap move" playing Leia's hologram from ANH to spur Luke into action.

Unlike many of you, I thoroughly enjoyed TROS and have watched it dozens of times, as opposed to watching TLJ probably less than 10 times from start to finish, and overall I'd still rather watch TLJ or any of the sequels over Attack of the Clones, which appears to have been filmed in only 2 dimensions due to that shoddy CGI of the early 2000s.

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As the resident Star Wars Sunshine Pumper, I will say that walking out of the Last Jedi was the only time I've felt let down by a Star Wars movie on first glance. I didn't mind Luke's arc at all, but the way that 3PO, R2, and Chewie, and Poe were all sidelined, Admiral Ackbar dying without a word, the horrible way they had Leia use the Force, and the useless Rose / Finn sidequest that had no result whatsoever were all really dumb things.

Upon subsequent viewings, most of that stuff is more acceptable because I do enjoy the Luke-Rey scenes, the killing of Snoke, and the Luke-Ren "fight" at the end. I wish Luke hadn't died, but this mind trick to project his NIL across the galaxy to the point that it even fooled C3PO is pretty great, and the Luke-Leia scene with the full realization that is was one of her last is really special. The music cue when Ren kills Snoke and Rey catches her lightsaber back is also pure joy ,as is R2's "cheap move" playing Leia's hologram from ANH to spur Luke into action.

Unlike many of you, I thoroughly enjoyed TROS and have watched it dozens of times, as opposed to watching TLJ probably less than 10 times from start to finish, and overall I'd still rather watch TLJ or any of the sequels over Attack of the Clones, which appears to have been filmed in only 2 dimensions due to that shoddy CGI of the early 2000s.

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Snoke's death might very well be the best villain death in the entire saga. The genius of having Snoke's pride/arrogance blind him to that fact that Kylo is actually concentrating on the lightsaber beside Snoke, and not the one in Kylo's hand, is so damn good. That's the kind of sleight-of-hand at which Rian Johnson excels. And then yeah, the moment Rey catches the lightsaber is the icing on top. For me, it's the best sequence of the entire sequel trilogy.

The problem is, same as with Luke's death, as you're watching it, it all feels like it's happening a movie too soon. Rey finally facing Snoke... in the throne room... Kylo finally turning on his master... it all should have been the climax of Episode IX, not Episode VIII. As cool as it is, you're just going, "Wait, wait, wait, what? We're already here?" And then when Luke dies 45 minutes later, you're thinking, "Seriously, what the hell??? What could possibly be left for Episode IX?" Turns out, the answer is "nothing," seeing as they basically had to invent an entire new arc/story.

Also, which movie did they erroneously blow up half of the civilized universe in? What a weak ass trope. We had no investment nor care. Was that TFA? Your "too soon" point reminded me about this.

The more I have read this thread and thought about it, this was my issue - it was almost like Rian Johnson saw Han get killed in Ep. VII and decided he was going to be the one to take every remaining iconic character/moment and shove them all into his movie.

The whole movie just feels like this weird, standoffish attempt to subvert EVERY expectation. If you zig every time you can zag it just starts to feel like you're making fun of the fans at some point.