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mts6175
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No worries.
Snow Monkey Ambassador
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What is the smallest differential in time that the brain can differentiate (I can't be less than a milisecond)? If you're saying that the brain can't do more than one thing as defined by the shortest amount of time the brain can calculate (for lack of a better word), then I'm fully on board with you. If you're saying that the brain can't do more than one thing at the exact same instant in time, I'm down with that, too. The laws of physics say that you can't do anything at an exact instant in time (whether it's one, two or an infinite number of things) because there's no such thing as an exact instant in time (you can measure time or space, but not both).

But to come out and say that your brain can't differentiate between two sounds playing at the same time or two actions (walking and chewing gum) at the same time is ridiculous. Hell, walking, by itself, involves more than one action going on at the same time.
Mameluke
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a lot of texagers cant type and spell at the same time
mts6175
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Like I was saying, for most people it's more than a millisecond, it's actual seconds. They can't hear the songs together, but can by switching back and forth? Understand it?
fretlessjazz
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your spinal cord controls the majority of walking, leaving your brain free to do other things such as chew gum, talk, or listen to cheesy overdubbed nickelback songs.

the reason why the songs sound the same is they ARE algorithmically equivalent. the verses, choruses, pickups, and bridges are EXACTLY the same length; as well as harmonically, rhythmically, and melodically congruent. there is _minimum_ artistic/creative variation between them... they both clearly came from the same formula. this band should be embarassed; that is not music.

one might also argue the reason the songs fit together is they are in the same key; they'll naturally go together, right? wrong. its more than possible to create harmonic dissonance by playing two seperate progressions simultaneously in the same key.

i think if one were to listen to stairway to heaven in one ear and welcome to the jungle in the other, youd most likely be aware that you are in fact listening to two seperate songs. nobody stands between two stages at a music festival and is tricked into thinking theyre hearing one song.

mts: i don't deny by any means that you could be right (to some degree), but i think you are taking the concept a bit out of context.
mts6175
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quote:
your spinal cord controls the majority of walking, leaving your brain free to do other things such as chew gum
Your spinal cord also controls the movement of your mouth.

Again, like I have said two other times, the majority of people don't have the ability to recognize both songs without focusing on one or the other for a couple of seconds at a time.
fretlessjazz
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i believe your original conjecture was "Some of you are too dumb to realize that your brain can't process both strands of music at the same time, therfore you can't tell the difference. This is a stupid illusion that they took two songs played on the same music time and imposed them toghether." are you implying that regardless of what songs were played on the left and right, one couldnt tell the difference? i love how you ignored every logical argument in my post but chose to reply to (and correct) my sarcastic remark.
mts6175
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I guess you missed the sarcasim in my reply then there too, smarty pants...

I ignored every other part of your post b/c I am tired of talking about this, and like I said in an earlier post, I agree the songs sound the same.

I'm not even going to go into this because it's going to start a whole other argument that I don't feel like getting into.

You're right, you rule.

[This message has been edited by mts6175 (edited 7/3/2004 2:59p).]
fretlessjazz
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ha, sorry for being a smart-ass; sometimes i think they should build breathalyzers into keyboards
Texas Yarddog
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mts, I know you are tired of arguing this, but this press release supports your statements.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/aps-wwm060704.php

For my two cents: As a musician and music lover, these songs are so similar as to be from the note pad. Rhythms, chord progression, and timing are too close. If anyone other that Nickelback would have put this song out, they would have been sued (and found guilty of) copyright infringement.

That Nickelback put out this song out shows the contempt they have for the MTV generation.
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