Lioness (Sheridan)

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Diggity said:

it just seemed like an odd pivot. Really didn't care about the chinese scientists being smuggled into Iran
I agree completely. It felt like they had an idea for the apache scene and had to figure out a way to shoe horn it into the story line at the end.
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For S3 can we dispense with the looking up in the sky and crying after every battle because she misses her family?

Either quit the job or whip some ass. I felt like she got weaker in S3
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Magneto said:

For S3 can we dispense with the looking up in the sky and crying after every battle because she misses her family?

Either quit the job or whip some ass. I felt like she got weaker in S3


This. Jo became the worst part of season 2
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Magneto said:

For S3 can we dispense with the looking up in the sky and crying after every battle because she misses her family?

Either quit the job or whip some ass. I felt like she got weaker in S3


Pretty sure that was by design. Not disagreeing that it was kind of annoying. But I think it's a bit of possible foreshadowing, or setting up for her to become a "desk jockey"…and maybe her finally realizing that's what needs to happen to save her marriage. Who knows though.
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Magneto said:

For S3 can we dispense with the looking up in the sky and crying after every battle because she misses her family?

Either quit the job or whip some ass. I felt like she got weaker in S3
Can't star this enough. Jo acted like a belligerent ******* when talking to senior operators/officers but then walked around with tears in her eyes and boo-hooing after every operation. Act like the leader you're supposed to be. It's also amazing that her life-threatening wound healed up fast enough for her to participate in chaotic combat. Other than her character (and I know she's the main character), I enjoyed watching the series.
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KidDoc said:

Diggity said:

it just seemed like an odd pivot. Really didn't care about the chinese scientists being smuggled into Iran
I agree completely. It felt like they had an idea for the apache scene and had to figure out a way to shoe horn it into the story line at the end.



We didn't even get that. All of the talk about an Apache Pilot and she only ever flies a Little Bird and Blackhawk. Those are both bad ass, but they're not an Apache.
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Just got done watching this. Loved a lot of things about it really was entertained, despite some of the highrolling moments.

I also learned something new about Taylor. Sheridan

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I got a free Paramount sub this week and was trying to get through at least season 1, made it through about five episodes and that's about all I could take.
My biggest gripe is that he has no idea how to truly write tough female characters here. His answer in every single argument or conversation is to just drop an F bomb, not a single other swear word is ever used, just F this F that. It's comically lazy writing, anyone who swears throws every word at you. And F bombs don't equal "tough" anyway. His backup plan is to make sure they're in charge of everything. As if power equals toughness.
Then there is the fact that they spend more time discussing top secret stuff in restaurants than offices (does anyone even have one?) to try and make it interesting, including trying to woo a senator or congresswoman that they could, I don't know, do a formal committee brief for? Zoe's character is literally two different people home and away in a way that isn't all all realistic, her surgical husband has time to be a stay at home dad I guess, except the one time he's actually at his job and can't do it well. And that's before all the girl power stuff. I don't mind female centric movies or roles and actually enjoy a lot of them, but we are beaten over the head with it here. But good news is I got to that point before my free sub was up. So 8 dollars saved. I'm rich!
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I did not like episode one, except for first few and last few minutes.
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I tried to like this show & I even know some people that were extras on it, but I just can't get into it.

Main character gets tons of people killed disobeying ordersl, zero consequences.

Main character said she outranks anyone on any military base she is standing on...

Cruz can beat any 225lb Delta Operator that she encounters, in a fight.

Sheridan puts himself in the show.....as a Delta Operator....of course.
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It is extremely laughable in many situations. You could tell a great story about women doing these kinds of missions if they didn't go so hard into girl-boss mode all the time. It gives me whiplash going from Zero Dark Thirty-like stuff and them jumping into MCU-like stuff.

It's like... make up your mind. Are we going gritty CIA grounded stories or is Black Widow running around kicking everyone's ass like a super-hero?

ETA: Spoilers for the end of S1: I actually liked the assassination scene of the HVT. The full-on surprise and brutal stabbing is the type of **** someone like this could really pull off well. Not man-handling a Delta operator. I remember being impressed with that scene. No hesitation... it was shocking and brutal.
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Lathspell said:

It is extremely laughable in many situations. You could tell a great story about women doing these kinds of missions if they didn't go so hard into girl-boss mode all the time. It gives me whiplash going from Zero Dark Thirty-like stuff and them jumping into MCU-like stuff.

It's like... make up your mind. Are we going gritty CIA grounded stories or is Black Widow running around kicking everyone's ass like a super-hero?

ETA: Spoilers for the end of S1: I actually liked the assassination scene of the HVT. The full-on surprise and brutal stabbing is the type of **** someone like this could really pull off well. Not man-handling a Delta operator. I remember being impressed with that scene. No hesitation... it was shocking and brutal.

Agreed, I could see the ending of S1 happening as well....some of the rest of it, not so much.
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I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?
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JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?

The kidnapping is present day. Everything else was a flashback.
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So we'll have 6 months to make up to the present? Will be the cliffhanger
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JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.
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I thought the first episode was really bad. So bad I may just give the show up.
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Thunderstruck xx said:

JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.

No I do not, they are only 15 min long.

My reasoning is at the end of the show she shoots two bad guys and calls in that her cover is blown.
If her cover is blown, then she and her family would be pulled from the house.

However apparently in the future, after a very delightful morning in her kitchen with her family, she then gets into her car in her driveway, and is kidnapped. Why is she still in the house after she caps two Russians in her front yard, and her cover is blown? Pretty bad CIA work or bad writing?
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JayHowdy! said:

Thunderstruck xx said:

JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.

No I do not, they are only 15 min long.

My reasoning is at the end of the show she shoots two bad guys and calls in that her cover is blown.
If her cover is blown, then she and her family would be pulled from the house.

However apparently in the future, after a very delightful morning in her kitchen with her family, she then gets into her car in her driveway, and is kidnapped. Why is she still in the house after she caps two Russians in her front yard, and her cover is blown? Pretty bad CIA work or bad writing?

Havent seen it, but it goes back to me saying what I did before. NEVER any consequences.
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JayHowdy! said:

Thunderstruck xx said:

JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.

No I do not, they are only 15 min long.

My reasoning is at the end of the show she shoots two bad guys and calls in that her cover is blown.
If her cover is blown, then she and her family would be pulled from the house.

However apparently in the future, after a very delightful morning in her kitchen with her family, she then gets into her car in her driveway, and is kidnapped. Why is she still in the house after she caps two Russians in her front yard, and her cover is blown? Pretty bad CIA work or bad writing?

You'll just have to watch the next episode to find out. Crazy how they pull you in that way.
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I fast forward through every scene with the husband and two daughters. I DGAS about the home life crap in shows like this and have no clue why they insist on inserting it into the plot.
MsDoubleD81
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What's the capital of Vermont?
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Me and wife and 22 year old son LOVED the first episode of this season! Can't understand those who didn't. Can't wait for episode two to come out!
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JayHowdy! said:

Thunderstruck xx said:

JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.

No I do not, they are only 15 min long.

My reasoning is at the end of the show she shoots two bad guys and calls in that her cover is blown.
If her cover is blown, then she and her family would be pulled from the house.

However apparently in the future, after a very delightful morning in her kitchen with her family, she then gets into her car in her driveway, and is kidnapped. Why is she still in the house after she caps two Russians in her front yard, and her cover is blown? Pretty bad CIA work or bad writing?


I thought it was a different home.

But that whole opening was dumb. She realizes she's blackjacked but locks up the brakes trying to stop the push instead of hitting the gas and running? Thought she was supposed to be a bad ass operator.
Thunderstruck xx
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I also thought it was a different house, but I'd have to rewatch to confirm.
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FTAG 2000 said:

JayHowdy! said:

Thunderstruck xx said:

JayHowdy! said:

I was really disappointed in this episode. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of Taylor playing army. I guess this is his new version of the spinning horses.

And I am really confused about the kidnapping. Was that to take part in the past or in the future?


Do you have trouble following the plot in episodes of Bluey too? Jesus.

No I do not, they are only 15 min long.

My reasoning is at the end of the show she shoots two bad guys and calls in that her cover is blown.
If her cover is blown, then she and her family would be pulled from the house.

However apparently in the future, after a very delightful morning in her kitchen with her family, she then gets into her car in her driveway, and is kidnapped. Why is she still in the house after she caps two Russians in her front yard, and her cover is blown? Pretty bad CIA work or bad writing?


I thought it was a different home.

But that whole opening was dumb. She realizes she's blackjacked but locks up the brakes trying to stop the push instead of hitting the gas and running? Thought she was supposed to be a bad ass operator.


Maybe she is, for a woman. It's called "Lioness", not "Lion". It's a show about females doing their best with what they have, even though their ceilings are naturally lower.
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Sheridan makes the ultimate train wreck shows. I know they're awful, there's nothing realistic about any of them, yet I enjoy them all.
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AgExtension said:

Me and wife and 22 year old son LOVED the first episode of this season! Can't understand those who didn't. Can't wait for episode two to come out!



Same. I am not watching this show for the realistic nature of it …. It's mindless, stressful action fun!!!
 
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