*** Halloween Ends ***

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gigemags-99 said:

Proposition Joe said:

Or just do SOMETHING new. This has been the same movie redone since 1978.


Except Halloween 3 - Season of the Witch. They definitely did something different there and…no thanks


I've never seen that one and saw it is on Peacock so will probably watch it soon just to be a completionist. If I remember correctly, they wanted to make the series an anthology of different horror stories, but 3 flopped so hard they went back to Michael Myers for 4.
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And now 3 is often lauded, even though it's a glorified tv movie.

I think people just realized the actual Myers storyline became so stale that looking back they might as well have tried something different.
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I watched it this weekend and it just didn't do anything for me. Too many plot points just didn't make sense.

So the first part with the accidental killing of the kid, off to a bad start, I just didn't think that was at all necessary when they were starting to build the story around Corey. You could start the tragic turn anywhere but that was too much for me, I just don't think that a violent death of a kid was necessary.

I never had that Halloween sense of dread that Halloween movies are supposed to build. That aspect fell completely flat for me, and it's a huge part of the franchise.

They had a real opportunity to build Corey as a potential successor to Michael, even for just one film, but there were huge missteps along the way. The mean kids story line was cliche as all get out. I thought the fact that he had a pretty terrible home life with his mom was a good jumping off point, but then he had the stepdad from the shop who was a good guy counteracting that aspect. The same with Allyson, she counteracted the bad inflicted on him by the mean kids. If you want to tell a story about a seemingly good guy that gets turned, he needs to be surrounded by nothing but bad. There were too many sympathetic characters around him IMO. It would have been cool if it showed how the town deep at it's core turned him into this. The mom of the kid that died hates him but the dad feels bad for him...really? Too much of a paradox.

Even Michael Myers feels sorry for him, that's next level nonsense for a horror movie.


Plus the fact that the mean kids drove around in a Lebaron was just too humorous for me. All I could think of was...
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I mean, not to state that Halloween ends was good, it wasn't, but I mean, Michael's family life was pretty good too. The point of myers I always thought was that regardless of his surroundings, he was born evil as ****. Something innate inside him that became his entire existence. Lori wasn't evil, her home life was fine even in spite of the horrific circumstance of her older sister and brother, she came out roses.

Corey was just lame. He made a bad choice and wasn't a bad person at all. He chose to become super evil because I guess Myers looked into his eyes? I have no ****ing clue. Also, Myers was just living under a bridge for four years? What was he doing? Eating rats? The ****?
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Can we also comment on the fact that the bullies were band kids……
Definitely Not A Cop
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BoydCrowder13 said:

Can we also comment on the fact that the bullies were band kids……


Picking on a guy in his mid 20's.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

Can we also comment on the fact that the bullies were band kids……


Picking on a guy in his mid 20's.


I was like…..punch the punk. You are at least 5 years older, taller and he plays the trombone or something.
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So I broke down and watched it last night.

It actually wasn't as bad as I was expecting. It was different, which is all I've really ever wanted the series to be instead of the same thing rehashed a dozen different times.

That being said, Kills and Ends simply tried to be too "deep" and it fell incredibly flat. "Maybe we're really the monsters!", "Evil lives on inside every person" blah blah blah. I think that works if the production values of the entire movie/series is done at a very high level. For instance, The Omen has some pretty... well, ominous... lines that should be cringey... But it works because they set the stage right and they've got Gregory Peck and a slew of other decent actors doing it.

When cardboard cutouts are screaming "Evil Dies Tonight" or "Maybe we're really the monsters"... It just is so cringeworthy. Though I hope in the outtakes for the finale of Kills that Judy Greer turned around at the last moment before her slaughter, raised her shirt and said "Say goodbye to these Michael!".

It did have some good moments though. I thought the beginning was very well done (despite being pretty brutal with a kid involved), and I thought the theme of town pariah for both Corey as well as Laurie worked... The parents catching him at the bar for Corey, the woman outside the supermarket for Laurie. Though because this series has gone on for so long it's tough to wrap your head around Laurie suddenly becoming the target of blame... but I guess thematically that could work to with the ole Batman "live long enough...".

I like the brutality of Michael (even though I'm not much for gore), I like the look of Michael. I hate that Michael has sprint mode. And I am so sick and tired of the head tilt after a kill. What once was a classic pose has now been so overdone.

I actually didn't mind the ending. Parading him through town seems hokey but it fits the theme of the shadow the town has lived under.


Overall, 'Ends' as it stands just borrows too heavily from 2-3 different films that weren't very good to begin with. Much of it is a heterosexual version of Nightmare on Elm Street 2. As Brian said, it was interesting, it was different, but it wasn't what you "end" a series with. Jamie Lee needs to put her presence in this series out to pasture. She is still a talented actress, but she can't work with these scripts without feeling like she's too good for this. I get her wanting to cement her scream queen status, but I just can't take any of her lines seriously in these films anymore because she's had so many different personas (again as Brian said -- how quickly she went from "survivalist kills michael at all costs" to "let it be".) Go be in another Knives Out. Hell, remake Terror Train. Just no more Halloween.

New Nightmare essentially ushered in the era of "meta" films. Jason X knew not to take itself seriously and IMO is an underrated gem. I just haven't had fun watching a Halloween film since Halloween 2.
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Jason X rules as did Jason Lives.
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Daveintx
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Behold, the Myers verse... Halloween kills was an alternate dimension Michael, which will allow the series to continue ..

Or Josh Hartnet gets written back in as the long lost son (joking ok course....I hope)
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I saw Halloween Ends last night, enjoyed it. But I go into these because it's Halloween season, I saw the first two in this 3 movie arc, I want some thought free slasher entertainment, and to enjoy a night out with my wife. Mission accomplished.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:




Pretty much spot on
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Nonregdrummer09 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:




Pretty much spot on


Yep. Even if you liked it, you can't deny that rundown of the movie…..
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Watched it tonight. Disappointing to say the least.
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