KidDoc said:
We had a discussion that touches on this topic at my bible study this week. It came up when some folks asked for prayers for some nephews that were still trying to figure out their path in their 30s. I mentioned that there is societal demonization of adult males/father figures in general that started back in the 80s and has just worsened over time. The last decent father figure I can recall in popular culture is Huckstable and now he has been wiped out due to Cosby's criminal offenses.
Most of the men from the 90s on are weak, lost, not connected with their families, bumbling idiots. Clark fits that mold but at least he seems to be engaged and involved with his family I guess.
I see it in work daily as well. It is rare for a father to be involved in their children's health care period. Most of the ones that bring in a kid literally have no idea why they brought their kid in and just read it off their phone from a text from the mom. It is refreshing when a dad comes in that actually knows what is going on with their kid and that is terribly sad for our society.
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It isn't like he is some middle aged dork that wears knee high socks with checkered vans while cruising the neighborhood in a used Corvette.
SF2004 said:
Clark is a bumbling dad who tries to do good but the family is always a mess. Vacation is an exaggeration of ALL of our family vacations.
No good dad role models 90s?
Tim Taylor
Philip Banks
Carl Winslow
That is just three.
Diggity said:as opposed to the glorious 50's & 60's where men were super involved with the birth and rearing of their children?KidDoc said:
We had a discussion that touches on this topic at my bible study this week. It came up when some folks asked for prayers for some nephews that were still trying to figure out their path in their 30s. I mentioned that there is societal demonization of adult males/father figures in general that started back in the 80s and has just worsened over time. The last decent father figure I can recall in popular culture is Huckstable and now he has been wiped out due to Cosby's criminal offenses.
Most of the men from the 90s on are weak, lost, not connected with their families, bumbling idiots. Clark fits that mold but at least he seems to be engaged and involved with his family I guess.
I see it in work daily as well. It is rare for a father to be involved in their children's health care period. Most of the ones that bring in a kid literally have no idea why they brought their kid in and just read it off their phone from a text from the mom. It is refreshing when a dad comes in that actually knows what is going on with their kid and that is terribly sad for our society.
Macarthur said:
Yeah, but I would argue that media portrayal was BS though.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
There's always been good Dad's and bad Dad's. Some bumbling and some not so much. Some aholes, some not.
Don't forget that he could have been in the Olympics (this is crazy this is crazy..)AustinAg2K said:
On one hand, he clearly loves his family. He does whatever he can to make them happy. He takes them to Wally World, and goes to extraordinary lengths to ensure they have a great time. He takes them to Europe and saves his wife from kidnapping. He works hard to earn money for a pool for the family.
On the other hand, he forces his family on trips they don't really want to take, he makes them accessories to kidnapping, coerces his wife into making a sex tape, kills a dog, blows the entire family budget on a swimming pool, and in general is a just an a-hole. Also, he seems as though he'd gladly cheat on his wife given the opportunity.
So, what say you? Good Dad or Bad Dad?
slatermikan said:
What I love about the original Vacation is how funny it was when I first saw while being the age of the kids. Many years later I know watching and have become Clark! That smell from the back seat, trying hard to not punch amusement park props etc....
not sure why you replied to me with that list but of course Tony loved his kids. It takes more than that to be a good father. He sucked at just about everything else.Tanya 93 said:Diggity said:as opposed to the glorious 50's & 60's where men were super involved with the birth and rearing of their children?KidDoc said:
We had a discussion that touches on this topic at my bible study this week. It came up when some folks asked for prayers for some nephews that were still trying to figure out their path in their 30s. I mentioned that there is societal demonization of adult males/father figures in general that started back in the 80s and has just worsened over time. The last decent father figure I can recall in popular culture is Huckstable and now he has been wiped out due to Cosby's criminal offenses.
Most of the men from the 90s on are weak, lost, not connected with their families, bumbling idiots. Clark fits that mold but at least he seems to be engaged and involved with his family I guess.
I see it in work daily as well. It is rare for a father to be involved in their children's health care period. Most of the ones that bring in a kid literally have no idea why they brought their kid in and just read it off their phone from a text from the mom. It is refreshing when a dad comes in that actually knows what is going on with their kid and that is terribly sad for our society.
Benjamin Sisko
Danny Tanner
Burt Hummel
Richard Gilmore
Hell Tony Soprano was a good dad. He loved those 2 more than anything.
Diggity said:not sure why you replied to me with that list but of course Tony loved his kids. It takes more than that to be a good father. He sucked at just about everything else.Tanya 93 said:Diggity said:as opposed to the glorious 50's & 60's where men were super involved with the birth and rearing of their children?KidDoc said:
We had a discussion that touches on this topic at my bible study this week. It came up when some folks asked for prayers for some nephews that were still trying to figure out their path in their 30s. I mentioned that there is societal demonization of adult males/father figures in general that started back in the 80s and has just worsened over time. The last decent father figure I can recall in popular culture is Huckstable and now he has been wiped out due to Cosby's criminal offenses.
Most of the men from the 90s on are weak, lost, not connected with their families, bumbling idiots. Clark fits that mold but at least he seems to be engaged and involved with his family I guess.
I see it in work daily as well. It is rare for a father to be involved in their children's health care period. Most of the ones that bring in a kid literally have no idea why they brought their kid in and just read it off their phone from a text from the mom. It is refreshing when a dad comes in that actually knows what is going on with their kid and that is terribly sad for our society.
Benjamin Sisko
Danny Tanner
Burt Hummel
Richard Gilmore
Hell Tony Soprano was a good dad. He loved those 2 more than anything.
