Probably about 50/50

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Any of you fellow GenXers go to Rockfest at Texas Motor Speedway in '97? It was a helluva show with every big pop/rock act at the time. They estimated up to 500k people there but no issues.

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They probably had adequate security, sanitation, and water. That's all Woodstock '99 needed but the organizers cared more about maximizing their profits.

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It was only one day and there's no way in hell they made any money off of it. I think I got my ticket free with a Blockbuster rental.

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I managed a Blockbuster Music at that time.

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What location? And I don't know if this still holds true but at the time, Blockbuster Rockfest was the single largest ticketed concert event in human history.

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Greenville & Lovers

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I used to frequent that one all the time in the 90's.

It's amusing to remember how popular nu stuff was back in the 90s. And I still think Kid Rock CAN be really good: check out his cover here.....

Kid Rock's career trajectory has to be one of the strangest ever. The first time I ever heard of him was when I got a free double sided maxi cassette single at Sam Goody. On one side was a track from an obscure hip-hop band called Raw Breed and this was on the other side.

ETA: Wow someone in the comments said a couple of years ago the CD version of this was $300 on ebay. Looks like I need to start digging through some boxes in the attic!

He made a smart move, there has always been a lot of money to be made in the dirtbag sector.

I just recently went to Kid Rock at Cynthia Woods and nothing got torn up.

It was an awesome show and he rocked that place. He played for over 2 hours with multiple encores. Great energy, awesome pyrotechnics, and was a blast.

Promoters: "let's bring back peace, love and harmony, dudes"

Limp Bizkit: GIVE ME SOMETHING TO BREAK

Crowd: "say no more"



How in the hell can you want to bring back PEACE AND LOVE then have Korn and LB, that aint Kumbaya, bruh

Back to the documentary….

It's solid, but not great. Pretty similar to the HBO one. If you're choosing one, either is fine, but Netflix's version may be a bit better. Netflix had some footage I hadn't seen before… which may simply be a result of seeing the HBO one first. Definitely worth a watch if you grew up in that musical era.

That was my main takeaway as well.
His ego, and unwillingness to take responsibility really resonated with me.

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Yes during their song Break Stuff, kinda on brand

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I was at a festival when I lived in Sydney back in '01 - Limp Bizkit headlined. Ramstien was co-headlining but was on before. Had a huge field in front of the stage, basically no breakup for those moshing in the front and people who just wanted to watch 200 or 300 feet behind them.

I was young and possibly not 100% sober after about 10 hours there - so I sat in the stands behind the fields to watch. Moshing was so intense they shut songs down multiple times. Found out the next morning a girl had died in the mosh pit from asphyxiation. Got so crazy she went down and there just wasn't enough oxygen and she couldn't get back up.

Lots of finger pointing after that. Every few years Durst will say something nasty about the organizers.

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I just recently went to Kid Rock at Cynthia Woods and nothing got torn up.

It was an awesome show and he rocked that place. He played for over 2 hours with multiple encores. Great energy, awesome pyrotechnics, and was a blast.

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This. People can say what they want about Kid Rock, but the dude puts on a great show.

Agreed about Kid Rock. I was in Nashville for a conference last September and ended up in the bar he owns. Turns out he was there that night and ended up coming down and singing a few songs, it was ****ing awesome!

More relevant to this thread is that one of my buddies Dad's decided to buy the PPV of Woodstock 99 and me and a few other friends basically camped out at his house to watch the whole thing. We were all very into Korn, Kid Rock, RHCP, RATM and Metallica at the time.

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Kid Rock's career trajectory has to be one of the strangest ever. The first time I ever heard of him was when I got a free double sided maxi cassette single at Sam Goody. On one side was a track from an obscure hip-hop band called Raw Breed and this was on the other side.

ETA: Wow someone in the comments said a couple of years ago the CD version of this was $300 on ebay. Looks like I need to start digging through some boxes in the attic!

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He was being groomed by record executives to be the next Vanilla Ice white rapper in the early 90s, but it all came crashing down along with Vanilla Ice's career. Kid Rock was fortunate, and it gave him a few years to develop his rock/rap/country fusion.

I watch the full Green Day set from Woodstock at least once a year. Then follow it up with their '94 Chicago show.

So much energy. So much meth.

I think Kid Rock's longevity is due to his embracing classic rock in his music. Great movie because this made him popular among the older crowd.

Interesting. Funny thing is this has a much more white boy NWA/Eazy-E/Too Short vibe to it both production wise and obviously lyrically speaking than anything close to what Vanilla Ice was doing.

Finally got around to watching this. Fred Durst might possibly be the biggest ****** bag in the history of rock, but watching him work that crowd is impressive. Seeing that sea of people from the stage is insane. I am surprised they didn't mention the part where they asked Fred Durst to try and calm the crowd, and he more or less said, "Don't get hurt… but also, this guy can go f himself. Now let's all go f'n crazy." I don't think Limp Bizkit is to blame, because they just did what they do, but they certainly seemed to be the ones to push it over the cliff.

This was pretty nostalgic to me. I remember watching some of the acts live that summer at a friend's house who had boot leg cable, and we saw Jamorqaui preform. DMX was what stood out to me. The cast of that 70s show had a special if I remember right.

Even as a kid, I remember thinking. This isn't the 60s.

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Kid Rock's career trajectory has to be one of the strangest ever. The first time I ever heard of him was when I got a free double sided maxi cassette single at Sam Goody. On one side was a track from an obscure hip-hop band called Raw Breed and this was on the other side.

ETA: Wow someone in the comments said a couple of years ago the CD version of this was $300 on ebay. Looks like I need to start digging through some boxes in the attic!

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He's basically covered every single genre throughout his career lol: rap, nu metal, rock, country. Crazy thing is he does them all well.

The buildup to the Korn show and then Watching the crowd react to the "are you ready" line was absolutely insane. Don't think I've ever seen a crowd go so crazy like that before. I've probably seen that performance of blind over 100 times, I get goosebumps Everytime I Watch It.

The cleanup after Woodstock must have been like hell on earth: so much semen, feces, urine, blood etc.

I just watched it for the first time ever and the biggest surprise yo me was thst Jonathan Davis was wearing pumas. I thought they were all about the Adidas.

Netflix doc > HBO doc

commentary by the NYT writer and Moby made the HBO one less good than it could have been

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I just watched it for the first time ever and the biggest surprise yo me was thst Jonathan Davis was wearing pumas. I thought they were all about the Adidas.

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https://www.kerrang.com/it-was-about-smashing-down-walls-how-adidas-invaded-nu-metal
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adidas were more open to on-trend exposure, giving Korn some free merch to wear onstage in return for the massive levels of free advertising they were getting. Where Run-D.M.C. had parleyed their unofficial brand representation into a very real working relationship, which culminated with 1986 banger My adidas, however, the German giant refused the metallers the same deal.
"Get this ****," JD shakes his head, clearly still sore from the slight. "Their reply was, 'adidas is a sports company. We do sports, not music.' I would look out into the crowd and see all these kids wearing adidas **** at our shows, but they couldn't do anything for us. Then you've got Kanye West and all these other people with their own [custom] shoes [in the years since]. What the flying ****?!"
Refusing to miss an opportunity, Puma (the rival sportswear company started by Rudolf Dassler, brother of adidas founder Adi Dassler) signed Korn to what was reportedly a $500,000 deal in 1998, actively featuring the band and their music in Kevin Kerslake-directed advertisements while directly targeting nu-metal fans. "We switched to Puma because they told us they'd put us in a commercial and give us a little money to wear their ****," Jon says, simply. "We were just like, '**** yeah! That's more than adidas ever did for us!' It wasn't a sell-out thing. It was about respect."

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