fig96 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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fig96 said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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ATM9000 said:

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And to the guys who didn't like the daughter's disrespect and being an ass to her parents as being a key message… your daughters at 7? Give it 4 years or so and this will be your life. Get ready.

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I haven't watched the movie, so this is more a general comment...

My wife said a lot of people were talking about the character's disrespect on social media as a reason to not let their kids watch it. I'm not sure what parents want - a fairy tale where the girl only listens and shows deep respect for her parents or a realistic show. Art is merely imitating reality, and I much prefer a show that is willing to be real instead of avoid imperfections.

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Also worth noting that the mother/daughter relationship in the film had some really unhealthy boundaries, and while the way it played out may not have been pretty (which it is rarely is in real life) conflict was going to be necessary at some point and greatly improved their relationship moving forward.

Not to mention literally almost every Disney/Pixar film involves the child disobeying a parent to go off on a quest/adventure/whatever.

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I didn't think the parent child conflict really any more substantial than any other dinsey "I need to test my boundaries" parent/child conflict?

I get that the source of that conflict was different but not the significance and certainly not in regards to the possible danger to the kid.

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Yup, same, hence my confusion with people being upset about this but ok that Ariel makes a deal with a witch to become a different species because she has a crush on a boy, Mulan lies to her dad and pretends to be male to go off and joins a war, Merida publicly defies her dad (the king) and fights with her mom before making a deal with a witch that turns her mom into a bear, etc.

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This is an easy one to call. There's all kinds of conflict and **** in kids movies but this was uncalled for. Lots of disrespect and weird subject matter. Out of all the topics from real to fantasy you land on female puberty?

My 15 year old daughter LOVED this movie. I enjoyed it. My wife thought it "cringy" and quit in the middle. Of course, she struggles a bit with the same limits as the movie Mom - she too sometimes feels like our 15 YO should act and react as she did when she was 7.

rooftop18403 said:

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fig96 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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fig96 said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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ATM9000 said:

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And to the guys who didn't like the daughter's disrespect and being an ass to her parents as being a key message… your daughters at 7? Give it 4 years or so and this will be your life. Get ready.

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I haven't watched the movie, so this is more a general comment...

My wife said a lot of people were talking about the character's disrespect on social media as a reason to not let their kids watch it. I'm not sure what parents want - a fairy tale where the girl only listens and shows deep respect for her parents or a realistic show. Art is merely imitating reality, and I much prefer a show that is willing to be real instead of avoid imperfections.

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Also worth noting that the mother/daughter relationship in the film had some really unhealthy boundaries, and while the way it played out may not have been pretty (which it is rarely is in real life) conflict was going to be necessary at some point and greatly improved their relationship moving forward.

Not to mention literally almost every Disney/Pixar film involves the child disobeying a parent to go off on a quest/adventure/whatever.

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I didn't think the parent child conflict really any more substantial than any other dinsey "I need to test my boundaries" parent/child conflict?

I get that the source of that conflict was different but not the significance and certainly not in regards to the possible danger to the kid.

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Yup, same, hence my confusion with people being upset about this but ok that Ariel makes a deal with a witch to become a different species because she has a crush on a boy, Mulan lies to her dad and pretends to be male to go off and joins a war, Merida publicly defies her dad (the king) and fights with her mom before making a deal with a witch that turns her mom into a bear, etc.

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This is an easy one to call. There's all kinds of conflict and **** in kids movies but this was uncalled for. Lots of disrespect and weird subject matter. Out of all the topics from real to fantasy you land on female puberty?

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You're right, I can't believe they would make a film that half our population might relate to. Very uncalled for.

fig96 said:

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rooftop18403 said:

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fig96 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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fig96 said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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ATM9000 said:

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And to the guys who didn't like the daughter's disrespect and being an ass to her parents as being a key message… your daughters at 7? Give it 4 years or so and this will be your life. Get ready.

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I haven't watched the movie, so this is more a general comment...

My wife said a lot of people were talking about the character's disrespect on social media as a reason to not let their kids watch it. I'm not sure what parents want - a fairy tale where the girl only listens and shows deep respect for her parents or a realistic show. Art is merely imitating reality, and I much prefer a show that is willing to be real instead of avoid imperfections.

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Also worth noting that the mother/daughter relationship in the film had some really unhealthy boundaries, and while the way it played out may not have been pretty (which it is rarely is in real life) conflict was going to be necessary at some point and greatly improved their relationship moving forward.

Not to mention literally almost every Disney/Pixar film involves the child disobeying a parent to go off on a quest/adventure/whatever.

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I didn't think the parent child conflict really any more substantial than any other dinsey "I need to test my boundaries" parent/child conflict?

I get that the source of that conflict was different but not the significance and certainly not in regards to the possible danger to the kid.

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Yup, same, hence my confusion with people being upset about this but ok that Ariel makes a deal with a witch to become a different species because she has a crush on a boy, Mulan lies to her dad and pretends to be male to go off and joins a war, Merida publicly defies her dad (the king) and fights with her mom before making a deal with a witch that turns her mom into a bear, etc.

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This is an easy one to call. There's all kinds of conflict and **** in kids movies but this was uncalled for. Lots of disrespect and weird subject matter. Out of all the topics from real to fantasy you land on female puberty?

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You're right, I can't believe they would make a film that half our population might relate to. Very uncalled for.

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Just because 1/2 the population can relate to something doesn't make a good subject matter for a kids movie.

rooftop18403 said:

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fig96 said:

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rooftop18403 said:

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fig96 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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fig96 said:

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I Have Spoken said:

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ATM9000 said:

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And to the guys who didn't like the daughter's disrespect and being an ass to her parents as being a key message… your daughters at 7? Give it 4 years or so and this will be your life. Get ready.

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I haven't watched the movie, so this is more a general comment...

My wife said a lot of people were talking about the character's disrespect on social media as a reason to not let their kids watch it. I'm not sure what parents want - a fairy tale where the girl only listens and shows deep respect for her parents or a realistic show. Art is merely imitating reality, and I much prefer a show that is willing to be real instead of avoid imperfections.

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Also worth noting that the mother/daughter relationship in the film had some really unhealthy boundaries, and while the way it played out may not have been pretty (which it is rarely is in real life) conflict was going to be necessary at some point and greatly improved their relationship moving forward.

Not to mention literally almost every Disney/Pixar film involves the child disobeying a parent to go off on a quest/adventure/whatever.

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I didn't think the parent child conflict really any more substantial than any other dinsey "I need to test my boundaries" parent/child conflict?

I get that the source of that conflict was different but not the significance and certainly not in regards to the possible danger to the kid.

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Yup, same, hence my confusion with people being upset about this but ok that Ariel makes a deal with a witch to become a different species because she has a crush on a boy, Mulan lies to her dad and pretends to be male to go off and joins a war, Merida publicly defies her dad (the king) and fights with her mom before making a deal with a witch that turns her mom into a bear, etc.

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This is an easy one to call. There's all kinds of conflict and **** in kids movies but this was uncalled for. Lots of disrespect and weird subject matter. Out of all the topics from real to fantasy you land on female puberty?

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You're right, I can't believe they would make a film that half our population might relate to. Very uncalled for.

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Just because 1/2 the population can relate to something doesn't make a good subject matter for a kids movie.

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No, but the fact that it's something a whole lot of kids go through might.

You didn't like it and that's your prerogative, it's just odd that you think it's shouldn't be made.

true.

i thnk we can agree that it isn't relevant to half the population. not that half that matters and the half that matters will get more upset if it is addressed than the half that doesn't matter will if it isn't addressed so it only makes sense not to try to address it.

To be clear it's not my criticism of the film, it's just me saying it's different in many ways than those other films. It helps that many of those parents grew up with the other films and are less likely to view it through a parent's eyes.

I just think the film is generic as hell and as I said in a previous post, more like a Dreamworks level film than a Pixar film. It's definitely in the bottom third of Pixar films. It's not bad, it's just not anywhere near the level of my favorites.


I'm weird though, I think Wall-E is overrated and Ratatouille is ridiculously underrated.

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It's almost like rebelling against and gaining independence from your parents is some sort of rite of passage in the journey of life.

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Would have been better with a circle of life reference.

Gotcha, and with you on Ratatouille being criminally underrated.

This thread having 78 replies of bickering sort of makes me want Russia to go ahead and start World War III already.

There are other options.

I'm just excited to see that folks on here can argue about something that's not Star Wars or Marvel!

zooguy96 said:

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PG these days is what R used to be back in the day. Not quite, but almost.

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you have this ass backwards.
Pg movies in the 80s had f bombs and nudity.

Only 50% of us had periods, but 100% of us went through puberty. I don't have to have a V or turn into a panda to relate to that. And the majority of us had relationships with our parents that shifted over time.

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zooguy96 said:

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PG these days is what R used to be back in the day. Not quite, but almost.

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you have this ass backwards.
Pg movies in the 80s had f bombs and nudity.

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Ah, Doc Hollywood. Good times.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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62strat said:

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zooguy96 said:

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PG these days is what R used to be back in the day. Not quite, but almost.

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you have this ass backwards.
Pg movies in the 80s had f bombs and nudity.

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Ah, Doc Hollywood. Good times.

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My introduction to the female form. Mom and dad were shocked since it was PG but let it happen and didn't shut it down.

So no one is going to " Turn Red " a beer, or is it a panda? Or is the new cool girl lingo " i just turned Red for the first time?"


Many an 80s kid attempted to Teen Wolf a beer. Ah memories.

People arguing about the content of older and newer PG movies are missing the point, IMO.

I personally think that exposure to some moderate level of violence, fear, the nasty reality of the real world, bad language etc isn't really harmful to child viewers so much as watching youthful/child characters modeling bad/annoying/dumb behavior and calling into question if a kid should even care what adults around them say. Parents need to much more carefully curate what newer stuff their kids watch and brush off the insults from others who think they're being too controlling. Volunteer at a high school for a couple days and check out the product of zero-boundary, hands off parenting.