mazzag said:

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FFS I'M ON Ep 4 and no one is floored JohnBoy is Laura Linneys father? He's 70. She's 57 and Jason Bateman is 53. I love this show but they were very lazy in casting. I don't mind a 4 year difference in a marriage but she's not aged well. And now a man 13 years older is her "father". This is ridiculous. I'm sorry. I'm 48 and old enough to have followed ALL their careers. And it's ridiculous.

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Odd thing to get floored by. Honestly, I haven't noticed it at all.

Can't believe I enjoy this show as much as I do given how hilariously farfetched it is

mazzag said:

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It's always bothered me. Laura Linney is an aging actress. Jason Bateman is not. He's aged well. Throw in JohnBoy as Dad... yes it pisses me off. It's lazy casting. I love all of them. They're great actors. But there is so much belief I can suspend.

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Couple things
1) being from the area, I can assure you a 13 year difference between parent and child isn't too much of a stretch. I knew a lot of 16yo that had to go "spend a summer visiting family"

2)Laura linney isn't ageing well...wtf?

Wyatt, my man, you fell for a droopy tittied complete psycho. That road has to end young and violently.

TSUAggie said:

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Can someone remind me what the point of Wendy's non-profit organization is for? Just more money laundering?

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The point of the foundation is to launder their family name. Even if the truth about how the came into their money comes out, after a generation no one will care because of what the foundation has done.

This is what the Statlers Sackler family were trying to do with they charities, hospital and museum wings. It has been used through history ruthlessly successful capitalists will try to use charity to rebrand themselves as philanthropists after a certain age.

Carnegie with his libraries, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation are two that you are probably familiar with.

Hell even HW tried to use it to save his reputation.

https://theconversation.com/why-harvey-weinstein-cant-redeem-himself-through-charity-alone-85790

Finished the season last night and it was a solid half season. I enjoy how they interject comedy to not keep it too serious. I get a kick out of Darlene and her shotgun. Loved the use of Jim James's 'Here in Spirit' in episode 6 as well.

Great, but why not just do it through philanthropy? The political angle makes it seem unbelievable.

TXAGFAN said:

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Great, but why not just do it through philanthropy? The political angle makes it seem unbelievable.

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Wendy needs the power juice. She wants to clean the name, but she also needs the action. That's what attracted Navarro

When you get to a certain level philanthropy, business, politics are all tangled up and ultimately philanthropy ends up losing out to the other two.

Clinton foundation, the NRA, countless "religious" organizations, the Trump foundation are all recent examples of charitable organizations being more focused on filling the pockets and Power of those in charge.

Hell just take some time to look into how much money power are tied up in United Way.

DannyDuberstein said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Great, but why not just do it through philanthropy? The political angle makes it seem unbelievable.

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Wendy needs the power juice. She wants to clean the name, but she also needs the action

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Remember that she started off trying to find liberal and progressive causes. And the first thing she does is enable voter suppression so that she can get access to her former enemy's power circles and reputation

HossAg said:

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I think he's being kind of a moron since he's clearly not opposed to doing illegal things (working for Ruth). He's putting them in really risky positions that could screw all of them. If his motive is purely to get back at Wendy for Ben, then it makes sense, I guess. But if he's upset because he thinks everything they do there is ****ed up, then he's being somewhat hypocritical at this point. I think people are just bothered by his recklessness. It'd be different if he was just locking himself in his room all day because he hates his family now..

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That is the biggest issue I have as well with him, Ruth and Wyatt. They act all morally superior but then they go right into crime themselves. With a lady who has done terrible things to people. They are all just reactive basically to what Marty and Wendy are doing and just upset they don't get their way.

Finished the half season last night.
It was good but I'm not over the moon with it like most of you guys seem to be.
I know it's a TV show and "believability" should be a relative thing but there's just so much this season that's too far over the top for me to enjoy it like I did previous seasons.

I realize the actors have aged considerably but in the story, Jonah is still supposed to be a young kid. I realize they had Bateman's character explaining money laundering to him in the first season but I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the whole "Jonah takes his Dad's software and suddenly is a money washing savant" angle. It's too much.

Darlene and Ruth would have been killed long ago by either the Cartel or the KC mob. The fact that Ruth is still breathing is ridiculous from a 'realistic' perspective. That stated, she's easily my favorite character so I'm okay with it.

There are other things as well but you get the point.

Great show but I'm glad it's the last season. It's not there yet but it's on the road to Yellowstone levels of jumping the shark.

How about the drug company CEO who vowed to clean the company up now personally arranging/attending cartel drug deals in excess of hundreds of millions of dollars. All because she met some stranger with a spreadsheet that knows the business is in trouble

DannyDuberstein said:

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How about the drug company CEO who vowed to clean the company up now personally arranging/attending cartel drug deals in excess of hundreds of millions of dollars. All because she met some stranger with a spreadsheet that knows the business is in trouble

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Bingo. I'm on my phone and just didn't want to type out all my criticisms but that's certainly a huge one.

Wendy is insufferable at this point and could have done without her and Jonah going back and forth.

I hope she dies in Part 2. Wish it would have happened sooner with Darlene's shotgun but that ship has sailed.

Am I the only one who enjoys what Wendy has turned into?

HossAg said:

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Am I the only one who enjoys what Wendy has turned into?

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The scenes in the hospital and when she had her heart attack were chilling.

What about that car crash to open season 4? Maybe that's the final scene of the season. They get it figured out and finally have a path to freedom only to all die in a car crash.

HossAg said:

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Am I the only one who enjoys what Wendy has turned into?

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Her character needs more directing or better scripting, IMO. Often times, I find her annoying. I know Linney is great at acting, so its not that.

I was struck by how UNHINGED Ruth's character was in the final scene. After 3.5 seasons, that is exactly the response you should have expected, but was I surprised when it happened and how perfectly the actress pulled it off.

Ozark Power Rankings

Trending Up (characters I liked)
Agent Miller - her meeting with Omar was fantastic

Ruth - trying to get out

Marty Byrde - amazing how many people trust him - The FBI, The Cartel, and The Drug Company CEO

Byrde daughter - has a lot of common sense

Omar - actually likable, no nonsense

The Byrde lawyer - lurch looking dude

Sherriff Guerrero - she's gonna arrest somebody

Trending Down (characters I don't like)
Jonah - stupid kid

Wyatt - stupid kid and Darlene -woof!

Wendy - thinks she has it all figured out and no one trusts her

Drug Company CEO - totally unbelievable, where is the board when she's making all these multi million dollar deals

Story Lines

Trending Up
Cartel family jealousy - look forward to seeing Javi and Omar battle it out
Ruth - trying to getting out of it
KC Mob distribution - act the way mobsters would
Agent Miller
Sherrif Nix disappearance - should be somebody's downfall


Trending down
Drug Company CEO
Byrde Foundation
Darlene and Wyatt wedding
Darlene and her shotgun - would've been arrested even with her connections
Baby Zeke
Omar, Javi and the FBI - no way that meeting goes down the way it did
Jonah money laundering

Well done, especially on storylines. Agree with just about all of it

The concept that Javi goes from just taking over to agreeing to that deal is something I cannot wrap my head around. And the whole scenario of what the FBI wanted was ridiculous

really wish he had multiple threads to discuss 1-2 episodes at a time.


Ruth has become a complete caricature.

The "guy just needing a signature"…. There better be some sort of payoff with him, (which there obviously will be), since his storyline has been flat out stupid so far.

Anagrammatic Nudist said:

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The "guy just needing a signature"…. There better be some sort of payoff with him, (which there obviously will be), since his storyline has been flat out stupid so far.

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I'm always wondering, who's paying for him to practically live in Missouri? Wouldn't he better off to just tell the husband he can't do it and go do other jobs that actually can be productive?

Helen had to be worth a ****ton, so may just be worth paying him until the job is done. Or...he's there for a totally separate reason and this is a cover. I'm hoping it's #2 because he's sharp enough to know the cartel took her out and there isn't gonna be any body.

Wendy is acting like someone who is broken inside and just wants it to be over, but can't stop, so she keeps intentionally making bad decisions to force some sort of final confrontation. Or she's convinced that she's made it this far, maybe she's invincible. I loved the scene where Charlotte is talking to Erin in Chicago; Charlotte (intentionally) sounds exactly like Wendy defusing a situation.

My one ongoing problem is that who the hell would live in that house with all the windows? It's nice for a lakehouse, but when you're constantly worried someone might kill you, strolling around in plain sight seems awful.

I keep wondering why Marty is driving a 90's grandma car as his primary form of transportation.

Yeah I get not driving something over the top or even baller but man at least get a late model Altima or something

TSUAggie said:

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I keep wondering why Marty is driving a 90's grandma car as his primary form of transportation.

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It would make some sense if local law enforcement and the FBI weren't fully aware of his dealings and he wanted to avoid any suspicion, but that cat is out of the bag.

A nice car would be a "red flag". Because people expect the owner of casinos not to be be able to afford at least a late model Tahoe.

Nobody noticed that the older the daughter gets, the more and more she looks like Boomhauer from King of the Hill?

I'm actually shocked that Charlotte and Jonah aren't actual brother and sister in real life. They look more alike than most real brothers and sisters I know.

SWC Ag said:

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Finished the half season last night.
It was good but I'm not over the moon with it like most of you guys seem to be.
I know it's a TV show and "believability" should be a relative thing but there's just so much this season that's too far over the top for me to enjoy it like I did previous seasons.

I realize the actors have aged considerably but in the story, Jonah is still supposed to be a young kid. I realize they had Bateman's character explaining money laundering to him in the first season but I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the whole "Jonah takes his Dad's software and suddenly is a money washing savant" angle. It's too much.

Darlene and Ruth would have been killed long ago by either the Cartel or the KC mob. The fact that Ruth is still breathing is ridiculous from a 'realistic' perspective. That stated, she's easily my favorite character so I'm okay with it.

There are other things as well but you get the point.

Great show but I'm glad it's the last season. It's not there yet but it's on the road to Yellowstone levels of jumping the shark.

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Is Yellowstone worth starting? Or is it going down there Game of Thrones path?