He owns the production company

Producer is above executive producer. Executive producer is basically an in-name-only position. Like, Christopher Nolan is an executive producer on Man of Steel, but basically did nothing on that movie, and certainly didn't produce it.

Is producer a title that can mean pretty much anything?

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Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.

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Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.

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Hell, Roman Polanski raped a gal.

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Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.

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Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.

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Hell, Roman Polanski raped a gal.

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A 13 year old girl. .

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Producer is above executive producer. Executive producer is basically an in-name-only position. Like, Christopher Nolan is an executive producer on Man of Steel, but basically did nothing on that movie, and certainly didn't produce it.

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But it's executive, it's got what studios crave

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Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.

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Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.

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He's done something worse than killing a person?

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While his roll as a producer might make him partially liable, everything so far indicates it was an accident (caused by lots of screwups). Lots of people have accidentally shot and/or killed a person and faced little to no repercussions.

I rank this below his daughter's voice mail and the time he said we should kill Henry Hyde and his wife and family.

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Is producer a title that can mean pretty much anything?

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Kind of. Some producers are more involved than others, or they do different tasks under the "producer" umbrella. Like, one producer might be the money guy, and his forte is getting the funding, one producer might be more involved with the day-to-day of the shoot, one producer might interface more with the studio, etc.

You rank killing someone below mean words?!?!

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You rank killing someone below mean words?!?!

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Wait until you see what he says about mean tweets.

Apologies to Doug. It was a VERY F16 take, and I made assumptions. I guess because Baldwin didn't *intend* to kill her, there's technically some wiggle room there, but still, it's not enough to justify whatever reasoning Doug is employing.

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Can we say this is the worst thing he's done accidentally?

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Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.

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Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.

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Hell, Roman Polanski raped a gal.

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A 13 year old girl. .

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and was then given an Oscar while the audience emphatically cheered the win

edit: i'm only commenting because polanski was mentioned and i thought the oscars crowd cheering his win was in poor taste. i'm not suggesting that this unfortunate situation with baldwin is anywhere close to the polanski situation.

I would never in my life get comfortable being handed a functioning firearm, pointing it in the direction of people, and pulling the trigger without doing my own personal inspection. Ever. I consider it an absolute bare minimum level of safety. Just pointing it at someone after checking it myself would still make me very uncomfortable since it also goes against the fiber of everything I was taught in my life about gun safety . If that makes me political or F16 or whetever with certain posters, then they can **** the hell off. Their ignorant opinion couldn't be more insignificant to me. At least I've never killed anyone unlike a certain someone who loves to get political.

I don't like even pointing airsoft guns at people.

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I don't like even pointing airsoft guns at people.

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I don't point you guns at people.

Really this is just a huge exercise in confirmation bias for a lot of people at the ends of the political spectrum. I honestly haven't seen anyone on here saying Baldwin is somehow blameless as he's in a leadership role for the production of the film.

The rational take is that he accidentally killed someone on a movie set that was rife with corner-cutting and gross mismanagement. How culpable Baldwin is will likely get settled in court (criminal and civil).

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Really this is just a huge exercise in confirmation bias for a lot of people at the ends of the political spectrum. I honestly haven't seen anyone on here saying Baldwin is somehow blameless as he's in a leadership role for the production of the film.

The rational take is that he accidentally killed someone on a movie set that was rife with corner-cutting and gross mismanagement. How culpable Baldwin is will likely get settled in court (criminal and civil).

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To me... if it were the set of Private Ryan where they are firing off 100s of rounds of ammo, then I wouldn't expect the actor who is shooting to check to see if every bullet was a blank. But if an actor is handed a gun to shoot one bullet, then I would expect him to check. It's not that hard to look. And who wants the guilt of shooting a person for the rest of their lives?

Reading some stuff on 16, it sounds like there is a good case for involuntary manslaughter charges against Baldwin. I'm no lawyer but they cited some case law including NM Supreme Court i believe.

NM LAW:

B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission .... of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

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Reading some stuff on 16, it sounds like there is a good case for involuntary manslaughter charges against Baldwin. I'm no lawyer but they cited some case law including NM Supreme Court i believe.

NM LAW:

B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission .... of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

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I think that is reading the law to get the result of convicting Baldwin.

Baldwin most likely followed the standard procedures for an actor. So he clearly exercised due caution.

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Reading some stuff on 16, it sounds like there is a good case for involuntary manslaughter charges against Baldwin. I'm no lawyer but they cited some case law including NM Supreme Court i believe.

NM LAW:

B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission .... of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

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Yep, that's the definition of manslaughter.

He'll get off though. NM needs the film industry.

Could be, but this was the line that stuck out to me, as it did this guy who I stole it from.

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Great link. It changed my mind, particularly this bit:

The NM Supreme Court ruled in that decision, in relevant part that:

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It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.

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Ideally, yeah, it'd be nice if the actors would inspect the gun they were handed before every take to make doubly-sure it wasn't carrying a lethal load. BUT I have zero confidence that all actors know enough about firearms and ammunition to be able to tell that. Also, that would often require them to unload said firearm and then reload it... also dangerous. So instead of that, the film industry has set standards that require someone knowledgable about weapons to perform those safety checks. Which in 99% of the cases seems to avoid incident. Obviously not the case here.

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Could be, but this was the line that stuck out to me, as it did this guy who I stole it from.

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Great link. It changed my mind, particularly this bit:

The NM Supreme Court ruled in that decision, in relevant part that:

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It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.

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I think it is a reach and no prosecutor is going to risk their career on it. I think that required Baldwin knowing more than he did re: the gun, real ammo on set, etc.

You are probably right and I would also be surprised if he is prosecuted. The whole thing is going to get very political, but not in the D vs R sense, if you know what I mean.

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You are probably right and I would also be surprised if he is prosecuted. The whole thing is going to get very political, but not in the D vs R sense, if you know what I mean.

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Agree. I think there will be a fall guy or two that take the heat and get a relative slap on the wrist.

Baldwin may suffer financially, but not ruinously so.

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Ideally, yeah, it'd be nice if the actors would inspect the gun they were handed before every take to make doubly-sure it wasn't carrying a lethal load. BUT I have zero confidence that all actors know enough about firearms and ammunition to be able to tell that. Also, that would often require them to unload said firearm and then reload it... also dangerous. So instead of that, the film industry has set standards that require someone knowledgable about weapons to perform those safety checks. Which in 99% of the cases seems to avoid incident. Obviously not the case here.

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These guys have to take training on how to shoot a gun so that they don't look like morons who have never held a gun before. Surely part of that training could include "THIS is what a bullet looks like" and "THIS is what a blank looks like".

You'd prefer actors load all of their own firearms. I think that's better handled by a professional.

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You'd prefer actors load all of their own firearms. I think that's better handled by a professional.

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Thats not what he said. He said they should be able to recognize it in the firearm. no load it themselves.

How do you tell the difference between blanks and lethal rounds that are already loaded into a revolver or magazine?

Well if I was an arms master they would be colored differently on the casing. and you could see it in the revolver and you just pull the magazine. that isn't loading them.

Someone posted something earlier where an actor (Ray Liotta I believe) watched them load the gun with the blanks before each scene/shot where they were used. I feel like that's a reasonable expectation. It's an easy double check in a scenario where one wrong action could kill someone.

Ok, if you get the on-site professional to color code the casings (or I guess change the way they are manufactured), then sure, that might make it easy enough for the actors to safety check the weapons.