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Philo B 93 said:

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The fact that we care enough about Entertainment to keep this board happening indicates that we're all good at separating the art from the artist. There are plenty of bad apples and great artists from Aggieland, but generally the A&M culture probably clashes with the Hollywood and professional music production culture.

I believe great art comes from a higher place than the human who channels it, anyway. For some reason God chooses some weird folks to give us great music and movies.

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Wait, what? The A&M culture? I was there in the 90's also and there were plenty of Aggies who identified with what movies and music were representing then, before and now. That statement is a bit sanctimonious, as a character from the Shield once said.

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Which one?

mazag08 said:

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If you held music and Hollywood stars accountable for being the piece of **** people they are, there wouldn't be anything left to ever listen to or watch.

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And what's the problem with that?

You watch their ****, give them money, and you enable their evil.

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mazag08 said:

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If you held music and Hollywood stars accountable for being the piece of **** people they are, there wouldn't be anything left to ever listen to or watch.

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And what's the problem with that?

You watch their ****, give them money, and you enable their evil.

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Funny you can say the exact same thing about politicos - blue or red ones!

johnnyblaze36 said:

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dave94 said:

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Philo B 93 said:

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The fact that we care enough about Entertainment to keep this board happening indicates that we're all good at separating the art from the artist. There are plenty of bad apples and great artists from Aggieland, but generally the A&M culture probably clashes with the Hollywood and professional music production culture.

I believe great art comes from a higher place than the human who channels it, anyway. For some reason God chooses some weird folks to give us great music and movies.

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Wait, what? The A&M culture? I was there in the 90's also and there were plenty of Aggies who identified with what movies and music were representing then, before and now. That statement is a bit sanctimonious, as a character from the Shield once said.

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Which one?

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Chiklis daughter.

True but engaging in commerce (entertainment) is more voluntary than engaging in civics.

I do not give a **** what any actor, athlete, comedian, or anyone in entertainment does or thinks in their personal time.
They exist to entertain me.

For most, I can. Others I can't. I'm not always consistent with it and I don't really care if I am.

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I do not give a **** what any actor, athlete, comedian, or anyone in entertainment does or thinks in their personal time.
They exist to entertain me.

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Well said.

PatAg said:

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I do not give a **** what any actor, athlete, comedian, or anyone in entertainment does or thinks in their personal time.
They exist to entertain me.

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I think you should rock that Rae Carruth Panthers jersey with pride.

I am a Christian but would rather give James Taylor $50 than less talented Christian singer.

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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I've been listening to Ryan Adams music again lately.

He sucks as a person but damn he's put out some great songs.

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I am a huge Cryin' Adams fan. It's arguably my worst personality trait. I'll always listen to his music but not sure if I could support him by buying a concert ticket.

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He is so amazing in concert

Seen him several times

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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dave94 said:

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Philo B 93 said:

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The fact that we care enough about Entertainment to keep this board happening indicates that we're all good at separating the art from the artist. There are plenty of bad apples and great artists from Aggieland, but generally the A&M culture probably clashes with the Hollywood and professional music production culture.

I believe great art comes from a higher place than the human who channels it, anyway. For some reason God chooses some weird folks to give us great music and movies.

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Wait, what? The A&M culture? I was there in the 90's also and there were plenty of Aggies who identified with what movies and music were representing then, before and now. That statement is a bit sanctimonious, as a character from the Shield once said.

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Which one?

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Chiklis daughter.

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Claudette to Dutch, I believe.

Dutch the cat killer. That guy was the worst.

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Jane Fonda. And don't try changing my mind

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Right there with you.

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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I've been listening to Ryan Adams music again lately.

He sucks as a person but damn he's put out some great songs.

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I am a huge Cryin' Adams fan. It's arguably my worst personality trait. I'll always listen to his music but not sure if I could support him by buying a concert ticket.

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He is so amazing in concert

Seen him several times

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Same. And you can still count on him to go ape on an audience member for one reason or any other during any concert.

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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I've been listening to Ryan Adams music again lately.

He sucks as a person but damn he's put out some great songs.

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I am a huge Cryin' Adams fan. It's arguably my worst personality trait. I'll always listen to his music but not sure if I could support him by buying a concert ticket.

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He is so amazing in concert

Seen him several times

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i listen to his live albums on Spotify and they always sounds great. I could probably be swayed with an acoustic set.

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I think it's a sliding scale. At the most extreme end, I'd have a hard time appreciating a painting by Hitler, because Hitler. Not nearly as extreme, but I don't think I can appreciate Cosby's work these days (and I used to love his comedy specials), in part because his crimes are the antithesis of his long-time "America's dad" persona. Had he been arrested for something like tax evasion, I'd have no problem continuing to laugh at his jokes.

On the other end of the spectrum, I think Mark Ruffalo is a knucklehead and a kook, but he's not a criminal, and all actors are knuckleheads and kooks to a certain extent. I can still enjoy his work in the Avengers. I feel the same way about most of the politically outspoken people in the industry - I roll my eyes when Taylor Swift starts talking about politics, but I can enjoy 1989 as one of the greatest pop albums of this century. The exception would be when the politics becomes the person's entire persona, i.e., someone like Kathy Griffin; was never a huge fan of hers, but these days she'd be an instant tune-out.

Michael Jackson lies in the uncomfortable middle of that scale. He was never convicted of anything, but it's a fair bet that he diddled kids. I guess with him I compromise by liking Thriller and Off the Wall, but not really any of his work after he get super weird.

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This is pretty much how I feel about it. If I disagree with someone's religion, politics, or general demeanor, that's one thing. If they get exposed as really ****ty people, then I pretty much stop. Kevin Spacey and the singer of Lost Prophets both come immediately to mind.

Tanya 93 said:

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AggieArchitect04 said:

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I've been listening to Ryan Adams music again lately.

He sucks as a person but damn he's put out some great songs.

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I am a huge Cryin' Adams fan. It's arguably my worst personality trait. I'll always listen to his music but not sure if I could support him by buying a concert ticket.

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He is so amazing in concert

Seen him several times

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if probably trade a kidney for a whiskeytown reunion. they're my all time favorite band

I listen to whiskeytown fairly regularly and didn't realize bryan adams was in that band ha

Thought this thread was gonna be about Bryan Singer and Dark Phoenix.

I think there are two buckets, people who you disagree with and people who have done criminal acts. The first it's a lot easier to enjoy the art and ignore the parts of the actor/musician you disagree with.

The second is where it's tricky because with some of them supporting the art is providing money to support their crimes. For Michael Jackson it's fairly straightforward for me that since he is dead supporting his art will not provide him with the money to commit future crimes so I don't really have an issue there. Other artists it then is a more case by case basis of how bad was the crime? Are they taking responsibility? Do they seem repentant? Will they do it again if they keep getting support? and if I'm being honest, how much I actually like their art anyway. I've never seen any Woody Allen movies and don't care for Ryan Adams so it's fairly easy for me to just avoid the two. At this point I'd have to actively seek the both of them out to enjoy their work so it's easy enough just to not bother.

I look at like Michael Richards, what he did wasn't great but it also wasn't unforgivable and I watch Seinfeld without much thought vs. R. Kelly who clearly doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing and even after he was caught a decade ago kept doing it. I have a hard time justifying putting money in R. Kelly's pocket.

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I think there are two buckets, people who you disagree with and people who have done criminal acts. The first it's a lot easier to enjoy the art and ignore the parts of the actor/musician you disagree with.

The second is where it's tricky because with some of them supporting the art is providing money to support their crimes. For Michael Jackson it's fairly straightforward for me that since he is dead supporting his art will not provide him with the money to commit future crimes so I don't really have an issue there. Other artists it then is a more case by case basis of how bad was the crime? Are they taking responsibility? Do they seem repentant? Will they do it again if they keep getting support? and if I'm being honest, how much I actually like their art anyway. I've never seen any Woody Allen movies and don't care for Ryan Adams so it's fairly easy for me to just avoid the two. At this point I'd have to actively seek the both of them out to enjoy their work so it's easy enough just to not bother.

I look at like Michael Richards, what he did wasn't great but it also wasn't unforgivable and I watch Seinfeld without much thought vs. R. Kelly who clearly doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing and even after he was caught a decade ago kept doing it. I have a hard time justifying putting money in R. Kelly's pocket.

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the line is pretty easy with me. it's child molestation

Not that he has ever many movies I would care to watch (except fast times), but Sean Penn is in my category of never watch.

Thank you for writing the post that I had been tossing around in my head.

Maybe it's some kind of subconscious patting myself on the back, but I don't want to overlook Michael Jackson or R Kelly. They don't deserve to have a legacy. As much as I love the Ignition Remix, I'd rather never hear it again than know that in any small way I was giving someone a pass for sexual assault or things like that.

This conviction will face a hard test if Robert Downey Jr or Mark Hamill or someone ever got busted. But I think I'd stick with it. I don't care about your political opinions but if you turn out to be a truly ****ty person then I don't want to enjoy your performance anymore, even if it only hurts myself and my entertainment options. Better than giving a pedo a free pass because he sings good.

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Not that he has ever many movies I would care to watch (except fast times), but Sean Penn is in my category of never watch.

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I'll always defend Bad Boys.