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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-rapper-bobby-schmurda-released-from-prison-20210223-ywyazmx3gbakbby5ocgqj33p5y-story.html%3foutputType=amp

This was fire!!!!! Then he got arrested...7 years later he is out! Ready for some bangers




Capitol Ag
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It's been 7 years? Dang, time flies.
rilloaggie
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That make him about 19 now?
Buzzy
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Reading through his wiki page, he's an idiot who deserved to be in prison.
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Episode 6-8 of the podcast Louder Than a Riot tells a pretty compelling story about him.
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CDub06 said:

Episode 6-8 of the podcast Louder Than a Riot tells a pretty compelling story about him.
Had not heard of this podcast until now and just looked it up - very excited to start listening. Thanks for bringing it up!
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Oh, and let's not forget to celebrate the hat as well

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CDub06 said:

Episode 6-8 of the podcast Louder Than a Riot tells a pretty compelling story about him.


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Louder Than A Riot reveals the interconnected rise of hip-hop and mass incarceration. From Bobby Shmurda to Nipsey Hussle, each episode explores an artist's story to examine a different aspect of the criminal justice system that disproportionately impacts Black America.



what am i missing?


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On December 18, 2014, New York City Police arrested Shmurda and charged him, along with several other members of GS9, with conspiracy to murder, weapons possession, and reckless endangerment.[9][10] In 2016, he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to seven years in prison, which was reduced to five years after receiving credit for the two years he already served awaiting trial.
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what am i missing?
There are a lot of dumb people out there who simply do not understand basic statistics or real life. It is why this myth of 'systemic racism' has proliferated in the media, and why so many people buy it.

Stupid people do not understand that crime is not committed at a ratio of demographics, so if there is 13% of an ethnic group, they will not commit 13% of the crime. When that 13% represents more than 50% of the people committing certain types of crime or a large portion of the prison population, these idiots believe this disproportionate representation means there is racism inherent in the system.

White people were believed to represent 99% of all serial killers, while they make up only 60% of the population in America. Such stats show a dramatic over-representation of white people among serial killers, which by arguments made by stupid people, means white people are oppressed by systemic racism. Is this true? Of course not!!! But stupid people believe it is true in other areas of statistics, because they're stupid. (BTW, new studies claims white people make up 58% of serial killers, meaning they're under-represented compared to their percentage of the population.)

What these idiots do not realize is that poor people commit the majority of crime. If there are certain racial or ethnic groups making up the majority of the poor, they're going to be more likely to commit the majority of crime. The poverty rate for Blacks is 18.8%, for Hispanics it is 15.7%. Guess what two demographics are 'over-represented' in the prison population?
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Interesting. Why do minority groups such as black and Hispanic have such high incidences of poverty?
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Hopefully he learned not to include his entire crew's street names in the lyrics along with describing their crimes so the police can easily link everything together
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Mega Lops
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Wow in 2021 black history month, black people really believe it's permissible to be involved in gang activity and be a violent criminal. This perspective is abhorrent.

https://www.complex.com/music/free-bobby-shmurda-campaign-essay

Tribal rule: coming to a liberal metropolis near year you!
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Buzzy said:

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what am i missing?
There are a lot of dumb people out there who simply do not understand basic statistics or real life. It is why this myth of 'systemic racism' has proliferated in the media, and why so many people buy it.

Stupid people do not understand that crime is not committed at a ratio of demographics, so if there is 13% of an ethnic group, they will not commit 13% of the crime. When that 13% represents more than 50% of the people committing certain types of crime or a large portion of the prison population, these idiots believe this disproportionate representation means there is racism inherent in the system.

White people were believed to represent 99% of all serial killers, while they make up only 60% of the population in America. Such stats show a dramatic over-representation of white people among serial killers, which by arguments made by stupid people, means white people are oppressed by systemic racism. Is this true? Of course not!!! But stupid people believe it is true in other areas of statistics, because they're stupid. (BTW, new studies claims white people make up 58% of serial killers, meaning they're under-represented compared to their percentage of the population.)

What these idiots do not realize is that poor people commit the majority of crime. If there are certain racial or ethnic groups making up the majority of the poor, they're going to be more likely to commit the majority of crime. The poverty rate for Blacks is 18.8%, for Hispanics it is 15.7%. Guess what two demographics are 'over-represented' in the prison population?

I don't even believe in systemic racism, but your argument is exactly what those who do would use. If you want to argue against something, you need to understand the other sides argument better.
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Buzzy said:


Reading through his wiki page, he's an idiot who deserved to be in prison.
You are not wrong.
Buzzy
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jeffk said:

Interesting. Why do minority groups such as black and Hispanic have such high incidences of poverty?
In 2019, 64% of Blacks and 42% of Hispanics live in single-parent homes. Quickest way to poverty is a single-income needed to support multiple people. That is not the sole reason for poverty in minority communities, but it is one of the main ones.
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Capitol Ag said:

It's been 7 years? Dang, time flies.
This is the craziest part about all of this. It really does feel like two summers ago when this song was everywhere.
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That song sucks. I'm guessing all the rest of his stuff sounds just like that or worse, and this guy is famous? There is absolutely nothing interesting or special about that music.
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This song was on every high school football players highlight reel.
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Buzzy said:

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what am i missing?
There are a lot of dumb people out there who simply do not understand basic statistics or real life. It is why this myth of 'systemic racism' has proliferated in the media, and why so many people buy it.

Stupid people do not understand that crime is not committed at a ratio of demographics, so if there is 13% of an ethnic group, they will not commit 13% of the crime. When that 13% represents more than 50% of the people committing certain types of crime or a large portion of the prison population, these idiots believe this disproportionate representation means there is racism inherent in the system.

White people were believed to represent 99% of all serial killers, while they make up only 60% of the population in America. Such stats show a dramatic over-representation of white people among serial killers, which by arguments made by stupid people, means white people are oppressed by systemic racism. Is this true? Of course not!!! But stupid people believe it is true in other areas of statistics, because they're stupid. (BTW, new studies claims white people make up 58% of serial killers, meaning they're under-represented compared to their percentage of the population.)

What these idiots do not realize is that poor people commit the majority of crime. If there are certain racial or ethnic groups making up the majority of the poor, they're going to be more likely to commit the majority of crime. The poverty rate for Blacks is 18.8%, for Hispanics it is 15.7%. Guess what two demographics are 'over-represented' in the prison population?

Just a bit of clarification on systemic racism. I agree that there are many out there, likely even a majority of liberals that see crime stats demonstrating over representation of certain minority groups and immediately cry racism with no nuance to why this is the case; however, I think that there is a bit of a lack of nuance regarding your take on systemic racism, as well.

Yes, poor people commit more crimes, and blacks are over-represented in poverty statistics, as well, hence they are more likely to commit crimes and much more likely to commit violent crimes due to their increased poverty rate. However, the sticking point for many who believe America has an issue with systemic racism is the way we handout justice disproportionately to certain minority groups, or the way we inadvertently contribute to this increased poverty rate. Mandatory minimums were basically a way for us to disproportionately incarcerate the undesirable, crack using minorities of the inner city population. Blacks are also much more likely to get harsher sentencing than their white counterparts with an average of 10% longer sentencing for similar federal crimes compared to whites. Incarceration of non-violent, no victim offenders leads to increased single parent households exacerbating poverty and leading to less stable homes for black children to grow up in. There is also an unfortunate example in Georgia last year of two white men gunning down a black man for jogging through their neighborhood and somehow remained out of jail until the video was leaked (a video the police already had access to) and public outcry finally lead to justice being served. This was a case that perfectly demonstrated the uphill battles that many minorities, and most specifically, black Americans have to go through to be heard and to be taken seriously.

Another example is subconscious racism effecting our hiring practices. There have been several studies demonstrating black and Asian individuals increasing their probability of being hired by "whitening" their name. Many of us also had help through networking with family and friends to get the jobs we have today, where unfortunately blacks typically do not know as many individuals in positions of power. This is all ignoring the fact that we are only 3 generations removed from the Jim Crow South where blacks were treated as second class citizens for decades and just 160 years removed from slavery which is a hell of a hole for an entire minority group to try to climb out of.

Whether you believe any of the above is actually racism or just the unfortunate consequences of past wrongs and individuals who still hold certain prejudices, I think it is important we at least understand the argument regarding systemic racism because it's important. This is not to give anyone a pass for committing violent crimes and this is also not to belittle those minorities and non-minorities who grew up in poverty and were able to make it out without resorting to crime. Bobby Shmurda was clearly an idiot who deserved to be locked up, but I figured I could at least give a bit more nuance to the discussion as opposed to letting this place be an echo chamber.
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Yes, poor people commit more crimes, and blacks are over-represented in poverty statistics, as well, hence they are more likely to commit crimes and much more likely to commit violent crimes due to their increased poverty rate. However, the sticking point for many who believe America has an issue with systemic racism is the way we handout justice disproportionately to certain minority groups, or the way we inadvertently contribute to this increased poverty rate. Mandatory minimums were basically a way for us to disproportionately incarcerate the undesirable, crack using minorities of the inner city population. Blacks are also much more likely to get harsher sentencing than their white counterparts with an average of 10% longer sentencing for similar federal crimes compared to whites. Incarceration of non-violent, no victim offenders leads to increased single parent households exacerbating poverty and leading to less stable homes for black children to grow up in.
Spoken like someone who just watched 13th and accepted every argument they made at face value without examining them.

Mandatory minimums came about not because of a desire to incarcerate 'the undesirable minorities', but because the public believed breathless accounts in the news about the scourge of crack in our communities, i.e. hyperbole. Politicians running for office always want to depict themselves as tough on crime, and the way to do that was to push for mandatory minimum sentences for the crime scaring the most of their constituents, and at that time, it was anything to do with crack. So what is the minimum sentence for cocaine? Well, my opponent is in favor of that sentence, and he is weak on crime, while I am tougher on crime than him, so make it 2x the minimum. Oh, my opponent said 2x the minimum? He's weak on crime, make it 4x the minimum. Oh, he said 4x? Make it 10x. And that is how you end up with mandatory minimum sentences that are worse for crack than cocaine. It isn't because of the ridiculous bogeyman of 'racism', it is because politicians wanted to be re-elected, and a central part of campaigns in the '90s was being tough on crime.
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There is also an unfortunate example in Georgia last year of two white men gunning down a black man for jogging through their neighborhood and somehow remained out of jail until the video was leaked (a video the police already had access to) and public outcry finally lead to justice being served. This was a case that perfectly demonstrated the uphill battles that many minorities, and most specifically, black Americans have to go through to be heard and to be taken seriously.
You can argue all you want about the legality of the two men who chased down Ahmaud Arbery, and I'll listen. However, when confronted with armed men with guns, Arbery chose to fight, and attacked someone with a gun while he was unarmed. You know what happens when you bring nothing to a gunfight? You lose.

Are you going to bring up Breonna Taylor next, and blame her death on the police, and not her own participation in drug dealing, her boyfriend's attempt to use her as a human shield, or the obvious money grab by her family?

People making stupid choices with their own safety (Arbery) or participating in criminal activity (Taylor) does not equal racism.

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Another example is subconscious racism effecting our hiring practices. There have been several studies demonstrating black and Asian individuals increasing their probability of being hired by "whitening" their name. Many of us also had help through networking with family and friends to get the jobs we have today, where unfortunately blacks typically do not know as many individuals in positions of power. This is all ignoring the fact that we are only 3 generations removed from the Jim Crow South where blacks were treated as second class citizens for decades and just 160 years removed from slavery which is a hell of a hole for an entire minority group to try to climb out of.
The resume culling practice argument ignores the fact that you go through culling at every single level of the employment process. Even if you believe people will reject a resume solely based on the name on it (and yes, I've probably watched the same episode of Freakonomics on this topic that you did), you're ignoring the fact that you still have to get through the interview phase and people still have to like you to feel comfortable with hiring you. You know who often fails this portion of the interview process? Unattractive people. Introverts. People with social anxiety who don't interview well. Is it racist? No. It is simply unfair. Life isn't fair. Sometimes, people are unlucky. Once you understand this, you won't be so quick to claim racism is the cause of all ills in society.



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Whether you believe any of the above is actually racism or just the unfortunate consequences of past wrongs and individuals who still hold certain prejudices, I think it is important we at least understand the argument regarding systemic racism because it's important. This is not to give anyone a pass for committing violent crimes and this is also not to belittle those minorities and non-minorities who grew up in poverty and were able to make it out without resorting to crime. Bobby Shmurda was clearly an idiot who deserved to be locked up, but I figured I could at least give a bit more nuance to the discussion as opposed to letting this place be an echo chamber.

The argument on systemic racism is not important, it is wrong. You didn't come here to give 'nuance' to the discussion, you came here to lecture others by repeating the talking points of those who believe in systemic racism.

You appear to be a believer in critical theory, which views everything through the prism that there is an oppressed group and an oppressor. Critical racial theory applies this viewpoint to race relations, so any struggle by minorities is not due to bad luck or mistakes on their part, but simply because they're the oppressed being victimized by their oppressors.

This kind of Results-Based Racism (RBR) is the underpinning of all claims of systemic racism. If you look at stats the right way, you'll find 'racism' everywhere. Guess what, America is not about equality of outcome, America is about equality of opportunity. Everyone is given a fair shot. Are some people lucky because they have certain advantages that make it easier for them to succeed in life? Yes. Does that make others without those advantages the victims of racism? No. It makes them unlucky. Some people are also lucky in that they don't suffer major illnesses during their main working years, so they never miss work, and are able to save and invest without interruption, and build wealth. Others are not lucky, and miss work because they come down with cancer, and need time for treatment and recovery. Is the person who missed work and accumulated less wealth because he came down with cancer a 'victim' of 'racism'? No, he was just unlucky. But per critical racial theory and its adherents like you, if the cancer victim is a minority, he's a victim of racism. You're not looking at the fact that they had the same opportunities, you're looking at the results, and determining your viewpoint based on results.

It is now 2021. Regardless of race, if you started saving $25 a week in January 1991 and invested it ($100 a month, $1200 a year) in an S&P 500 index, you'd have $249k today, 30 years later. Regardless of race, regardless of skin color, regardless of job, everyone had that same opportunity starting in 1991. There is one definition of wealth today that says if you have over $100k in an investment portfolio, you're wealthy. So everyone had the same opportunity to go from working a job to becoming wealthy in the last generation. If you didn't become wealthy in the last 30 years, are you a victim of racism? Believers in CRT (and people like you) will certainly claim you're a victim. Are people who made the decision to save and invest and stay disciplined through the last 30 years to acquire wealth the winners of a 'racist' system? No. They're just lucky they had someone explain investing to them, and the discipline to make a plan and stick to their plan and not panic when things didn't go their way. They're fortunate they didn't become greedy, and chose to re-invest dividends when they received them.

Stop swallowing propaganda like 13th, and actually think for yourself.
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If only Texags had a political board where the brilliant free thinkers could gather.
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easttexasaggie04 said:

This song was on every high school football players highlight reel.
That doesn't make it good. A ton crappy songs, shows and movies get super popular.
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Another Doug said:

If only Texags had a political board where the brilliant free thinkers could gather.
If only TexAgs had an 'unfollow' button so you could exit out of a thread when it no longer holds your interest.
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About a week ago, week agooo

**** with us and then we tweakin hoe, tweakin hoe
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Buzzy said:

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There is also an unfortunate example in Georgia last year of two white men gunning down a black man for jogging through their neighborhood and somehow remained out of jail until the video was leaked (a video the police already had access to) and public outcry finally lead to justice being served. This was a case that perfectly demonstrated the uphill battles that many minorities, and most specifically, black Americans have to go through to be heard and to be taken seriously.
You can argue all you want about the legality of the two men who chased down Ahmaud Arbery, and I'll listen. However, when confronted with armed men with guns, Arbery chose to fight, and attacked someone with a gun while he was unarmed. You know what happens when you bring nothing to a gunfight? You lose.



What a POS take on that situation. I don't buy into systemic racism either, but holy ****. The guy was chased down and executed in the street. There was no stopping what happened to him. Those guys intended to kill him.
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What a POS take on that situation. I don't buy into systemic racism either, but holy ****. The guy was chased down and executed in the street. There was no stopping what happened to him.
Are you a gun owner? What do you do when someone tries to physically take your gun from you?

There was no stopping what happened to him? So if he simply gave himself up, you think they'd still shoot him?

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Those guys intended to kill him.
Assuming facts not in evidence. We didn't chase Arbery down the street, we're not those men, we can't assume their mindset. You're reacting based on emotion instead of looking at what happened.
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ruddyduck said:

CDub06 said:

Episode 6-8 of the podcast Louder Than a Riot tells a pretty compelling story about him.


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Louder Than A Riot reveals the interconnected rise of hip-hop and mass incarceration. From Bobby Shmurda to Nipsey Hussle, each episode explores an artist's story to examine a different aspect of the criminal justice system that disproportionately impacts Black America.



what am i missing?


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On December 18, 2014, New York City Police arrested Shmurda and charged him, along with several other members of GS9, with conspiracy to murder, weapons possession, and reckless endangerment.[9][10] In 2016, he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to seven years in prison, which was reduced to five years after receiving credit for the two years he already served awaiting trial.



Uh. Looks like you're missing episode 6-8 that I referenced above. But cool that you read a summary.

Note: I don't think he's innocent. Just said it was compelling story.
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I feel bad for you. And yes, I probably own more guns than you do.
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The resume culling practice argument ignores the fact that you go through culling at every single level of the employment process. Even if you believe people will reject a resume solely based on the name on it (and yes, I've probably watched the same episode of Freakonomics on this topic that you did), you're ignoring the fact that you still have to get through the interview phase and people still have to like you to feel comfortable with hiring you. You know who often fails this portion of the interview process? Unattractive people. Introverts. People with social anxiety who don't interview well. Is it racist? No. It is simply unfair. Life isn't fair. Sometimes, people are unlucky. Once you understand this, you won't be so quick to claim racism is the cause of all ills in society.

I don't think this holds water. Yes you go through culling at every single level of the hiring process - but those should be based on qualifications. As a recruiter, I look at things like X years of experience, how long their tenure is at each job before they jump to the next one, things like that. These are the bars we've decided to set. Applicant tracking systems will even reject for you based on some of those things. You say you don't have the mandatory 2 years experience? You'll be getting your rejection email in a few days.

You can't write off judging someone's name as just another valid way to trim down applicants. I can't automatically assume that an applicant named Muhammad won't fit in with our company's conservative culture, or that someone named Xiliang would have communication problems with his team. If he's qualified and would otherwise advance, I need to do a quick phone call first and see if he's actually difficult to communicate with. He may be the clearest speaker in the company. But if he's not, and he's socially awkward, or whatever - then yes, reject him and move on.

Bad luck would be if I didn't advance you to a phone screen because your name is Tyler and my elementary school bully was also named Tyler. That's a one-off. Making assumptions based on names on resumes is potentially problematic and happens all the time. It'd be like holding open tryouts for a school basketball team and saying everyone gets 2 minutes to dribble and shoot a ball. Rejecting a candidate because their name sounds black would be like not even letting a kid into the gym because X Y or Z. Let the candidates eliminate themselves via their resume qualifications, then performance in an interview - not ahead of time because of a name.

Edit: not that any of this has anything to do with Bobby Shmurda
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HossAg said:

I feel bad for you. And yes, I probably own more guns than you do.
Then answer the question, what do you do when someone attempts to take your gun away from you?
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Buzzy said:

HossAg said:

I feel bad for you. And yes, I probably own more guns than you do.
Then answer the question, what do you do when someone attempts to take your gun away from you?


It's fascinating whose actions you're attempting to rationalize in this particular incident.
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jeffk said:

Buzzy said:

HossAg said:

I feel bad for you. And yes, I probably own more guns than you do.
Then answer the question, what do you do when someone attempts to take your gun away from you?


It's fascinating whose actions you're attempting to rationalize in this particular incident.
I'm not attempting to 'rationalize' anything, both sides were wrong in that incident. The father-son are not cops, there was no reason to chase the guy with guns, and Arbery is an idiot for attacking an armed man while unarmed.
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both sides were wrong in that incident.

For real, why wasn't the black dude on the floor prostrating himself.
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