Based on this thread I watched Colin's special as well and enjoyed it. He does a good job making fun of both sides of the political spectrum.

Finally watched Dave yesterday. Freaking awesome. I don't agree with him politically on many issues and I don't think his perspectives are right, but who freaking cares? Most comedians have different views than mine. It comes down to: is it funny? With Dave, the answer is obviously yes. If you're funny, I'll listen to you preach your message even if I think the message is flawed to some degree. Heck, I just watched a special that became instantly famous for making fun of LGBTs, especially Ts, and I have also considered Eddie Izzard to be one of my favorite comics for some 20 years now. I am only looking to laugh, and I will laugh at anything, no matter how benign or heinous or personal or abstract, if it's funny.

Is it funny? That's all that matters in comedy. That's why Seinfeld and his attitude that he preaches is so refreshing. He never strays from that one simple truth: if it's funny, it's good. Literally nothing else matters. Cuss, offend people, do clean comedy, do jokes about raping children or jokes about hot pockets. If it was funny, it was good.

This was good. I don't think it was his funniest material ever, simply because he spends more time now trying to speak to issues using comedy rather than just making comedy for comedy's sake, but it was still good. Probably the best of these 5 recent specials he's released. Killing Them Softly is still the gold standard for him though, IMO.

I'd rate it an 8/10 for pure comedy, and a 10/10 for comedy with a purpose.

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Based on this thread I watched Colin's special as well and enjoyed it. He does a good job making fun of both sides of the political spectrum.

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I like Colin too. I got interrupted halfway through his most recent one so I haven't finished it but I watch all of his specials. He's a fascinating comedian to me. I respect his success so much, because to me he's like the most bland, boring human ever, yet he is still watchable. So I mean that as a great compliment. He's hard to listen to, not interesting to look at,his delivery is often poor (IMO), etc., yet his comedic mind is so talented that he has made a great career in comedy anyway.

I'm as far left on most things as you can get and I thought it was comedy gold. NOTHING is off limits in comedy. If you can grasp that, you will have a lot better time watching it. Everyone has things about them that can and should be poked fun at. It's not malicious, it's comedy. It is the yin to the PC culture's yang. Do I agree that father's should be able to abandon their kids? No, but that bit was funny as hell. Turn your right or left wing brains off and just enjoy the set up, delivery and punch lines. If you are offended by a bit, or something "falls flat" just because you disagree with a premise, then you are the problem, not Dave.

It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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Honestly I think both extremes are too sensitive and not willing to laugh at themselves these days. Part of the echo chamber nature of social media.

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It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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This is very true.

Now I'm trying to think of the tipping point. Was there some specific incident that spawned this shift? A date range of when it happened?

Any theories?

Loved his take on abortion. He reels em all in and then drops his truth bomb. If y'all can kill em, we can abandon em. My money my choice. And if you don't agree then you're wrong on all of it. Just Genius. My wife and I talked about it for 15 minutes afterwards

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I have one, but it's kind of long-winded and mostly #WrongForum!

Short(ish) version, based on my own meandering misadventures in Liberal Arts World, is that when the Evangelical kids of the 90's and 2000's decided to rebel against Mommy and Daddy by going far Left, the only thing they took with them was the "You Can't Say That No-No Word" mindset. Then they started making up their own rules so they could be in charge now. It's a *******ized cross-breeding of gamer nerd culture and evangelical public piety. But it loves rules, and making up new rules.

*Slightly on-topic, but I love this George Carlin bit about how word choice affects perceptions:

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5 unknown political hacks whining that his stand-up doesn't exactly meet their expectations.

This is why I said on the Joker thread that I ignore reviews from political outlets. Even the National Review guy (whoever he is) is *****ing about a setback to the vital truth! None of those idiots understand stand up comedy, they just attempt to use pop culture figures to advance their own agendas.

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According to Joe Rogan on Dave's new special: RT handpicked those 5 critics and allowed only them to their rating.

Once RT got roasted, their hand was forced to open it up to more critics.

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5 unknown political hacks whining that his stand-up doesn't exactly meet their expectations.

This is why I said on the Joker thread that I ignore reviews from political outlets. Even the National Review guy (whoever he is) is *****ing about a setback to the vital truth! None of those idiots understand stand up comedy, they just attempt to use pop culture figures to advance their own agendas.

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According to Joe Rogan on Dave's new special: RT handpicked those 5 critics and allowed only them to their rating.

Once RT got roasted, their hand was forced to open it up to more critics.

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I think that's just conspiracy theory. This was a comedy special on Netflix. I'm guessing not many people review those. I looked up his last special, and it only had 9 reviews. His special before that had 12.

Agree completely. There's absolutely zero reason for RT to handpick and limit reviews. That does nothing for their business model.

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5 unknown political hacks whining that his stand-up doesn't exactly meet their expectations.

This is why I said on the Joker thread that I ignore reviews from political outlets. Even the National Review guy (whoever he is) is *****ing about a setback to the vital truth! None of those idiots understand stand up comedy, they just attempt to use pop culture figures to advance their own agendas.

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According to Joe Rogan on Dave's new special: RT handpicked those 5 critics and allowed only them to their rating.

Once RT got roasted, their hand was forced to open it up to more critics.

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I think that's just conspiracy theory. This was a comedy special on Netflix. I'm guessing not many people review those. I looked up his last special, and it only had 9 reviews. His special before that had 12.

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Disagree. I heard Rogan explain what happened and I believe him. He's in tune with what happens in the comedy world, netflix, reviews and so forth. He's friends with Dave. What he said about RT is probably accurate IMO.

This wasn't just another comedy special on Netflix. This is Dave Chappelle we are talking about. The biggest force in comedy out there, by far.

This special and the controversy surrounding it made Dave and Netflix a **** ton of money thats for sure. The 'controversy' surrounding it has only increased its popularity.

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5 unknown political hacks whining that his stand-up doesn't exactly meet their expectations.

This is why I said on the Joker thread that I ignore reviews from political outlets. Even the National Review guy (whoever he is) is *****ing about a setback to the vital truth! None of those idiots understand stand up comedy, they just attempt to use pop culture figures to advance their own agendas.

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According to Joe Rogan on Dave's new special: RT handpicked those 5 critics and allowed only them to their rating.

Once RT got roasted, their hand was forced to open it up to more critics.

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I think that's just conspiracy theory. This was a comedy special on Netflix. I'm guessing not many people review those. I looked up his last special, and it only had 9 reviews. His special before that had 12.

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Disagree. I heard Rogan explain what happened and I believe him. He's in tune with what happens in the comedy world, netflix, reviews and so forth. He's friends with Dave. What he said about RT is probably accurate IMO.

This wasn't just another comedy special on Netflix. This is Dave Chappelle we are talking about. The biggest force in comedy out there, by far.

This special and the controversy surrounding it made Dave and Netflix a **** ton of money thats for sure. The 'controversy' surrounding it has only increased its popularity.

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Maybe Dave told RT to only allow negative reviews to increase the controversy and thus the popularity!

I think the reality is ... we live in an era where high reviews would be interpreted as somehow agreeing politically with Dave's comedy bits.

Businesses are so terrified of the PC / me too / LGBT army they'll do anything to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Lol, if true.

Just watched it. Solid B-

I kept waiting for him to really tie it together with some insightful ****, which is really his trademark.

Thought the epilogue was interesting as well. Still think he is one of the best but not as great as some of his others.

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Just watched it. Solid B-

I kept waiting for him to really tie it together with some insightful ****, which is really his trademark.

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Then I kicked her in the pvssy

Seinfeld summed up reviewers perfectly on an episode of Comedians in Cars.

Nothing they can write is consequential because the audience already voted and the audience is the only thing a comic should care about. It either got a laugh or it didn't, and there's nothing a reviewer can say that matters.

The Woke Orthodoxy is ridiculous and everyone knows it but them.

Wife and I watched it last night after a really long day of work, traffic and kids sports. Couple glasses of wine and something funny was in order.

Loved it. As some noted above, don't agree with all his perspectives but in general most of it hit home. I love the anti-PC movement. PC has been sapping the fun of out of life for decades now.

I admit I got a little squeamish on the Michael Jackson/pedo jokes but it feels almost stupid to have point out that this is comedy, not Dave actually making a case for molesting Home Alone kid. God, that is what is so lost on society now. Any sense of nuance, sarcasm, tongue in cheek.

So best part for the wife and I. We genuinely laughed so hard at the LGBT in a car part. When Dave says the G's are going to drive because the G's will have a lot of white guys and "we know these roads, hell we built these roads" my wife and I simultaneously said:

Her (she's a brown): You say that!
Me: lololol I say that!

That was an hour of my life I'm happy to not get back.

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It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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No. They really aren't

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Wife and I watched it last night after a really long day of work, traffic and kids sports. Couple glasses of wine and something funny was in order.

Loved it. As some noted above, don't agree with all his perspectives but in general most of it hit home. I love the anti-PC movement. PC has been sapping the fun of out of life for decades now.

I admit I got a little squeamish on the Michael Jackson/pedo jokes but it feels almost stupid to have point out that this is comedy, not Dave actually making a case for molesting Home Alone kid. God, that is what is so lost on society now. Any sense of nuance, sarcasm, tongue in cheek.

So best part for the wife and I. We genuinely laughed so hard at the LGBT in a car part. When Dave says the G's are going to drive because the G's will have a lot of white guys and "we know these roads, hell we built these roads" my wife and I simultaneously said:

Her (she's a brown): You say that!
Me: lololol I say that!

That was an hour of my life I'm happy to not get back.

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I rolled at "Because they can both agree the B's are f***ing gross. They're all like 'I'll **** anyone in this car!'"

That and the Q's "I sure do wanna get in this car" part.

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I have one, but it's kind of long-winded and mostly #WrongForum!

Short(ish) version, based on my own meandering misadventures in Liberal Arts World, is that when the Evangelical kids of the 90's and 2000's decided to rebel against Mommy and Daddy by going far Left, the only thing they took with them was the "You Can't Say That No-No Word" mindset. Then they started making up their own rules so they could be in charge now. It's a *******ized cross-breeding of gamer nerd culture and evangelical public piety. But it loves rules, and making up new rules.

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So today's SJW's were evangelical kids 20 years ago...hmmm....i'm gonna have to laugh in your face as that is so ridiculous as to reveal that you're just making it up.

They didn't get that way by being parented with ethics and faith. They millenials got that way by having mindless, busy parents who themselves didn't believe in anything...who raised their kids telling them they were so specal and their viewpoints are really unique and awesome....and no matter their shortcomings they deserved everything they ever thought or imagined.

That generation is lost...they worship at the altar of self. Not God.

Yeah, I'm sure you'll never have any problems since your'e a perfect preaching parent.

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No. They really aren't

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Yeah, they really are.

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No. They really aren't

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Yeah, they really are.

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I see it as the liberal and conservative sides have collapsed back in on themselves creating some strange new dynamic thats still settling out.

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Loved his take on abortion. He reels em all in and then drops his truth bomb. If y'all can kill em, we can abandon em. My money my choice. And if you don't agree then you're wrong on all of it. Just Genius. My wife and I talked about it for 15 minutes afterwards

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Yep, this was my favorite part, too, and I think it probably sailed over a lot of people's heads.

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It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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No. They really aren't

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Yeah, they really are.

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I see it as the liberal and conservative sides have collapsed back in on themselves creating some strange new dynamic thats still settling out.

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One side is trying to squash free speech. One side wants the government to leave them alone.

It's really not close.

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It's very funny to me that it used to be the "conservative" audience that was considered bad for comedy, and now the "liberal" crowd is actually worse.

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No. They really aren't

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Yeah, they really are.

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I see it as the liberal and conservative sides have collapsed back in on themselves creating some strange new dynamic thats still settling out.

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One side is trying to squash free speech. One side wants the government to leave them alone.

It's really not close.

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This was about comedy crowds, jesus you people suck

This thread sucks now. I'm glad I can turn down my political views enough to simply enjoy a comedy show.

I watched it last night. Fn loved it. The way he sets up the crowd and does a 180 kills me. And Juicy Smollet was outstanding!