Or, you know, you could put aside your "conservative values" for 90 minutes and try to enjoy the movie.

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

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I wish they would have labeled Superbad as a white, male coming of age movie, instead of just a coming of age movie. I couldn't tell that from the trailers and as a female was really disappointed by my inability to relate to the characters.

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Just giving an honest assessment that conservatives are not as likely to enjoy the film as much as progressives. Might save someone their time and money that they can spend on a movie more suitable to their individual liking.

The only progressive thing missing from this movie is blue hair. The film makers even included the bull ring nostril piercing, on a teacher no less.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Or, you know, you could put aside your "conservative values" for 90 minutes and try to enjoy the movie.

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I did get a few laughs. Hollywood is so progressive there are very few TV or movies where the progressive worldview is not on full display, this movie takes it up a notch.

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littlebitofhifi said:

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bmks270 said:

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

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I wish they would have labeled Superbad as a white, male coming of age movie, instead of just a coming of age movie. I couldn't tell that from the trailers and as a female was really disappointed by my inability to relate to the characters.

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Just giving an honest assessment that conservatives are not as likely to enjoy the film as much as progressives. Might save someone their time and money that they can spend on a movie more suitable to their individual liking.

The only progressive thing missing from this movie is blue hair. The film makers even included the bull ring nostril piercing, on a teacher no less.

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It's a little weird that you think "conservatives" wont be able to enjoy a coming of age comedy that has a gay lead. I assumed you meant religious conservatives but the use of progressives made that somewhat confusing. I dont really think that the overwhelming majority of people who identify as more politically conservative than liberal would have a problem with this movie or not enjoy it.

Just to be clear, I personally thought it was a terrible movie because it wasn't funny, not because of the lesbians.

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

Gays are less than 5% of the population but make up more than 50% of the characters in this movie and the majority of the storyline.

It was pretty awful if you have conservative values as it was beginning to end nothing but progressivism.

I'll admit there was maybe 2 or 3 funny scenes, but the radical progressivism really diminishes the product. I'd pass if you are conservative.

I understand why feminists, LGBT, progressives, and Antifa would love this film.

My wife is the one who wanted to see it, but after we left said she said she didn't like it.

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Ah, yes, when being straight is a "value" to be "conserved" but being gay is nothing more than "awful" and "radical." You may not mean it that way, but do you have any idea how coded your language comes across? How bigoted you sound?

Also, when watching, say, Hell or High Water, did you complain that people who wear cowboy hats are less than 5% of the population but make up more than 50% of the characters in that movie? What kind of insane critique is that?

"I don't think that's the hole you think it is" was absolutely hilarious.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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"I don't think that's the hole you think it is" was absolutely hilarious.

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Not really, what girl can't tell the difference between a vag and a butthole?

Pretty sure your opinion on the movie has been made abundantly clear at this point.

Maybe just leave the thread if you hated this movie so much? I'm not trying to be d*ck, but why are you still here? What's the point in lingering in a thread for a movie you didn't like? And simply chiming in over and over again with your little jabs? I'm not one of these people who needs everyone to hold hands and unanimously praise a movie - I love a good discourse - but if you were offering constructive criticism, or engaging in discussion, that'd be one thing. Instead, you're just coming across as someone who's actively trying to sh*t in the punch bowl.

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Good lord. Hard pass.

Boo f'n hoo you have it so bad...you're only worth like $20-30MM. You poor poor female, the deck is clearly stacked against you.

Bet this chick loves to lecture the "peasants" though.

How is it that I know exactly who is a politics poster before even looking at their profiles?

Man, this movie sure is bringing out the forum 16 wackos. Who would have thought?

"How dare someone with a lot of money care about an issue!" Ha, don't we want people in positions of power and influence to care about certain societal plights? Isn't that better than being a rich, vapid ******bag?

Also, how is this any different than the director of an original blockbuster tweeting, "Don't give studios an excuse not to green-light original blockbusters"? This is more about studios following trends than anything else. Still, even if we take this cultural, more movies about men are produced than about women. That's a statistical fact. So if certain women want more movies about women, that seems to me to be a perfectly sane desire. Personally, I'm going to keep watching what I like, but if someone wants more movies that represent them and their interest, more power to them. Why on earth would anyone sh*t on that?

And if anyone in Hollywood possesses the opposite of a "lecturing the peasants" attitude, it's Olivia Wilde. There are fewer nicer, cooler, self-deprecating, down-to-earth actors in the business than her.

But, you know, whatever you've got to do to keep peddling whatever narrative you're trying to push, I guess.

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

Gays are less than 5% of the population but make up more than 50% of the characters in this movie and the majority of the storyline.

It was pretty awful if you have conservative values as it was beginning to end nothing but progressivism.

I'll admit there was maybe 2 or 3 funny scenes, but the radical progressivism really diminishes the product. I'd pass if you are conservative.

I understand why feminists, LGBT, progressives, and Antifa would love this film.

My wife is the one who wanted to see it, but after we left said she said she didn't like it.

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4 gay characters (Amy, Hope, Alan, and I guess George since he was effeminate) out of 28.

Last I checked, 14 =/=50+.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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How is it that I know exactly who is a politics poster before even looking at their profiles?

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Crazy that someone who is turned off by overt feminism and Hollywood elites playing the "victim" would also be interested in politics. You have a real talent though and I am sure you will do amazing things with it in life.

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Man, this movie sure is bringing out the forum 13 wackos. Who would have thought?

"How dare someone with a lot of money care about an issue!" Ha, don't we want people in positions of power and influence to care about certain societal plights? Isn't that better than being a rich, vapid ******bag?

Also, how is this any different than the director of an original blockbuster tweeting, "Don't give studios an excuse not to green-light original blockbusters"? This is more about studios following trends than anything else. Still, even if we take this cultural, more movies about men are produced than about women. That's a statistical fact. So if certain women want more movies about women, that seems to me to be a perfectly sane desire. Personally, I'm going to keep watching what I like, but if someone wants more movies that represent them and their interest, more power to them. Why on earth would anyone sh*t on that?

And if anyone in Hollywood possesses the opposite of a "lecturing the peasants" attitude, it's Olivia Wilde. There are fewer nicer, cooler, self-deprecating, down-to-earth actors in the business than her.

But, you know, whatever you've got to do to keep peddling whatever narrative you're trying to push, I guess.

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Yeah, I'm clearly a "wacko". It's not the hyper-narcissistic self-worshiping bubble-dwelling group-thinking sociopaths that comprise the vast majority of Hollywood, it's me. I'm a wacko for not being all aboard the feminism train like you.

Please, without sounding like a lunatic, I would LOVE for you to enlighten us as to why a woman wanting more movies about women is a bad thing or should somehow be something that should enrage us. Do you also get this upset when fans of Westerns want more Westerns?

[You both need to lay off the personal attacks when you come back--Staff]

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bmks270 said:

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

Gays are less than 5% of the population but make up more than 50% of the characters in this movie and the majority of the storyline.

It was pretty awful if you have conservative values as it was beginning to end nothing but progressivism.

I'll admit there was maybe 2 or 3 funny scenes, but the radical progressivism really diminishes the product. I'd pass if you are conservative.

I understand why feminists, LGBT, progressives, and Antifa would love this film.

My wife is the one who wanted to see it, but after we left said she said she didn't like it.

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4 gay characters (Amy, Hope, Alan, and I guess George since he was effeminate) out of 28.

Last I checked, 14 =/=50+.

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I'm thinking the main character and her fling, the two drama kids, and the extremely flamboyant, closeted gay Christian dad... that makes 5.

Then for main plot characters you have the genderless character, the jock, the best friend, and the rich brother and sister as the prominent straight characters... so 5/10 is half.

You can inflate the number to 28 but really everyone else was pretty minor, take away the flamboyant dad perhaps because he wasn't very important character to the story and you get 4 out of 9.

Anyway, it's not the homosexuality, it's the entire sum of the parts, the feminism, LGB, genderless, "resist" progressivism that makes this movie unappealing to conservatives.

The main characters car has a prominent "Resist" sticker on the back window. The film is littered with progressivism beginning to end.

bmks270 said:

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Andyzipp said:

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bmks270 said:

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This should be prefaced as a feminist lesbian coming of age movie, not just a coming of age movie.

Gays are less than 5% of the population but make up more than 50% of the characters in this movie and the majority of the storyline.

It was pretty awful if you have conservative values as it was beginning to end nothing but progressivism.

I'll admit there was maybe 2 or 3 funny scenes, but the radical progressivism really diminishes the product. I'd pass if you are conservative.

I understand why feminists, LGBT, progressives, and Antifa would love this film.

My wife is the one who wanted to see it, but after we left said she said she didn't like it.

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4 gay characters (Amy, Hope, Alan, and I guess George since he was effeminate) out of 28.

Last I checked, 14 =/=50+.

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I'm thinking the main character and her fling, the two drama kids, and the extremely flamboyant, closeted gay Christian dad... that makes 5.

Then you have the genderless character, the jock, the best friend, and the rich brother and sister as the prominent straight characters... so 5/10 is half.

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I assume you're talking about Will Forte, whose character was married to a woman (Lisa Kudrow)? And in your estimation, he was flamboyant?

Either way, there are 28 credited cast members (and another 8 who were uncredited). I'm not sure, but I don't think you get to skip the characters portrayed by Jason Sudekis, Lisa Kudrow, Molly Gordon, Mike O'Brien, Jessica Williams, and Eduardo Franco because it makes your math work.

Annapurna made a mistake by releasing this in May, against all the summer blockbusters. They tried to make it counterprogramming, but releasing a movie for 20-30-year old females against a nostalgic blockbuster (Aladdin) that all the 20-30 females would be seeing instead was dumb move - but a move that Wilde most likely had nothing to do with.

That said... no one here is saying this movie should have made more money. Olivia Wilde isn't saying this movie should have made more money. There's no entitlement angle here. She's simply asking more people to support it. You've suddenly switched to this straw man to argue your side, which is incredibly telling. Also, you're being blatantly, aggressively obtuse if you don't think women directors are passed over for men directors every single day in Hollywood. Again, that's a statistical fact. Female directors - especially ones trying to tell female-centric stories - ARE at a huge disadvantage in this business. Now, that may just come down to pure economics in some cases, or simply falling into a pattern of doing things the way they've always been done. If so, it is what it is. But turning EVERY sentiment like the one Wilde expressed in her tweet into some hairy-legged, woe-is-me, all-men-are-evil brand of feminism is utterly ridiculous and incredibly stereotypical, to the point where it's clear you just want something to rail against.

Aaand... we're done here. Thanks, Wycliffe. Always a pleasure.

Female centric stories are not at any disadvantage at the box office. Titanic, Twilight, hunger games, divergent, Wonder Woman... to name a few.

All I did was read the things you voluntarily wrote on this website and commented on them. Go back and delete those posts if you dont want people to bring them up.

I totally thought that was Jonah Hill playing a teenage girl for a second

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I totally thought that was Jonah Hill playing a teenage girl for a second

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Just his little sister.

While I will mostly troll/make jokes on the politics board, one can watch a movie such as Booksmart and successfully guess which way the actors/director/writers lean with the jokes and tone. Personally, who cares about politics if the movie is excellent. I want to be entertained, dammit!

With that aside, here were a few things I thought were funny and/or surprising.

SPOILERS


- A gas guzzling car saved them when they were clearly upset/judgmental with it at the beginning.
- Daughter goes to jail, graduation, and the airport. Where were mom and dad? Wasted talent there.
- When you run full speed at two police officers with their hands on their guns, you DON'T get shot.
- Carrie Fisher's daughter passed out drugs to characters in the movie. Let that one sink in...
- Safe space in an entire school for not telling where they are going to college? This can't be real?!?!
- As a plot driver, it was hilarious watching the lead realize all the hard work didn't matter as much. I honestly wish I knew that back then.
- Fake IDs (nod to Superbad) but using it for college library cards... greatness!
- Noting a HS principal has to work a second job.
- A teacher having sex with a HS student is totally ok if they are 20. The same joke was well played in 21 Jump Street, but this one seemed to miss the mark. That joke simply cannot work today in a reverse role. Pineapple Express/Andy from the Office is the closest I've seen in recent memory, but they weren't teachers.

The Alanis Morissette karaoke scene was something I just remembered. Whole theater literally LOL'd at that one.

Hilarious and really well made. My two favorite scenes were probably the doll scene and the driving scene towards the end. The facial expressions while driving killed me.

lol, not surprised at the reaction in this thread though.

I love movies like this but Ill give this one a B. It was entertaining but I did not think it was that funny overall. Neither did my wife. Maybe we went in with too high of expectations. Thought the lead actresses were really good though.

I get the Superbad comparison, but this was nowhere near as good as Superbad in my opinion. Some of the rave reviews on here and by critics are just setting people up for disappointment (that's what had my expectations so high).

Give it a c+....everyone was a caricature of a real person and I thought the writing was a bit lazy, going for the easy joke too much.

Laughed a few times but not as much as I thought I would.

Watched on hulu

bmks270 watching the Last Samurai: why aren't there more white characters in this show? It's only Tom Cruise! Japanese people only make up 5% of the world population, but more than half of this movie focuses on them!

Seriously though: the movie was about gay and liberal characters. Of course their actions would reflect that.

This movie was hilarious. Billie Lourd was great throughout despite limited screen time. Even little stuff like her playing the piano at the graduation ceremony was hilarious. "Went straight for that butthooooole!"