Star Wars Rewatch Project: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE

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Great post.
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Cstrickland05 said:

Another thing about TPM is that it was doomed before anyone ever saw it. The hype for this movie was unparalleled, the hype for TFA was nothing compared to it. In a time where your main source of movie information was Entertainment Tonight, Star Wars was every where, every news show, cover of every magazine, everywhere. It had no chance of living up to that hype, even if it had been the greatest movie every made, which it obviously wasn't.

Not living up to the hype is significantly different than being doomed. Dark Knight Rises comes to mind.
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It really suggests a more interesting and interesting conflict between the Sith and the Jedi that the film simply doesn't explore.
But how could it? The Sith were extinct outside of Maul and Palpatine, who was still hidden and had not made himself known to the Jedi.
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Sine poena nulla lex.
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Also, interesting note, the word Sith was never said until Episode I.

And unless you read the EU beforehand, that was brand new information in that movie. (It was for me, though I was 11 and not a huge fanboy like I am now.)
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Also, interesting note, the word Sith was never said until Episode I.

And unless you read the EU beforehand, that was brand new information in that movie. (It was for me, though I was 11 and not a huge fanboy like I am now.)

It wasn't used in the movies, but the term "dark lord of the Sith" has been around since the 70s. There wasn't really an EU then, though there were novelizations. Not saying you're wrong really, but a lot of people knew the term well before the EU really became a big thing.
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The EU technically started in 78 with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, but didn't realize the term was widely known before 99. My mistake. I wasn't much into Star Wars as a kid.
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C@LAg said:

the whole thing about only two sith was just dumb from the start.
I do like it in the Darth Bane book trilogy.


As far as this whole rewatch thing is concerned, this definitely inspired me to join in, but damn I sure am dreading these first 3 months...
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The story behind splinter and why it is set on one planet is interesting.
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TPM was also my first intro to the word "sith". I'm mid 30s.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

The EU technically started in 78 with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, but didn't realize the term was widely known before 99. My mistake. I wasn't much into Star Wars as a kid.

I've been a SW nerd since I was a kid in the 80s, but I really have no idea where I first learned the term.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Also, interesting note, the word Sith was never said until Episode I.

And unless you read the EU beforehand, that was brand new information in that movie. (It was for me, though I was 11 and not a huge fanboy like I am now.)
Just for clarification, the first public use of "Sith" first appeared in the Star Wars novelization in 1976.

Lucas added it to his second draft of Star Wars (then known as Adventures of the Starkiller - Episode One) in 1975. The third paragraph of said script....

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Until the tragic Holy Rebellion of "06", the respected JEDI BENDU OF ASHLA were the most powerful warriors in the Universe. For a hundred thousand years, generations of Jedi Bendu knights learned the ways of the mysterious FORCE OF OTHERS, and acted as the guardians of peace and justice in the REPUBLIC. Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct. One by one they have been hunted down and destroyed by a ferocious rival sect of mercenary warriors: THE BLACK KNIGHTS OF THE SITH.
But you are correct that it doesn't make it into the films until TPM. "Sith" however did make it into the marketing campaign for TESB as seen in this Topps promo card that came out before the movie.

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You got me.

I still find it so odd that they released the novelization in 76, before the movie was even out.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:



You got me.

I still find it so odd that they released the novelization in 76, before the movie was even out.
Curses!!! I thought I removed that photo of me from the Interwebs!
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that is an interesting bit of trivia that the novelization was released a year before the movie. Had no idea.
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Urban Ag said:

that is an interesting bit of trivia that the novelization was released a year before the movie. Had no idea.
Just like many people don't know that the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back came out a month before the movie did. To those of us who read it, we knew who Luke's father was before we ever got into the theater.
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Urban Ag said:

that is an interesting bit of trivia that the novelization was released a year before the movie. Had no idea.
So I still have the original novelization. It is tattered and well read (as in, countless times), and at some point I drew on the cover and wrote my name on it etc.



The copyright page indicates a first printing of December 1976.



I stand to be corrected, but I think Lucas ran into delays specifically with regard to the film's visual effects, and that the movie should have been released earlier, perhaps at Christmas 1976.
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twilly said:

Urban Ag said:

that is an interesting bit of trivia that the novelization was released a year before the movie. Had no idea.
Just like many people don't know that the novelization for The Empire Strikes Back came out a month before the movie did. To those of us who read it, we knew who Luke's father was before we ever got into the theater.
Yep.

In an era before the term "spoiler" existed, I don't recall actually having told any of my 7th grade class-mates anything about the plot of the movie even though I'd read the book prior to actually seeing the movie at a now-gone theater in the Westchase area of Houston.
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Probably my favorite "Making of" documentary. (Not counting the LOTR appendices.)

It's a relatively quick watch, but gives a really cool "fly on the wall" perspective of how the movie was made. Seeing the crowd go completely ape**** on opening night is also pretty fun.

I recommend it.
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If only everyone was like you.
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I had this exact edition when I was a kid. Would have taken better care of it if I had known what it was going to be worth.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-From-the-Adventures-of-LUKE-SKYWALKER-Rare-Trade-Paperback-NOVEL-1976/253957159039?hash=item3b2106b87f
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I'm going to ACKCHYUALLY all the ACKCHYUALLYs here and point out this deleted scene from A New Hope where "Sith Lord" is part of the dialogue:

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That's certainly cool, but a deleted scene doesn't actually count as being in the movie.
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I have despised the prequels for years. Now that I'm older and more mature, I can appreciate the hilarious memes they spawned.
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That's a nice expansion of that scene but I think it proves one thing

James Earl Jones = Darth Vader

whoever was doing the voice over was nothing but a clown, I think
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

That's a nice expansion of that scene but I think it proves one thing

James Earl Jones = Darth Vader

whoever was doing the voice over was nothing but a clown, I think
The Clown was David Prowse - you know? The Green Cross Code Guy.


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Appropriate place for this.


Urban Ag
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thanks dude, cool
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redline248
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Yep, the memes are top notch
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..and I know a lot of people have a problem with the Rule of 2, but the way it was mostly laid out in the Darth Bane books (now, of course, not canon) makes a lot of sense.

However, the part that makes the least sense is that Yoda somehow knows about it. Alias man or someone might be able to give an update on current canon, but if the Sith were 'extinct' for 1000 years, and the Rule of 2 started with Bane when they were hidden...how does Yoda find out about?
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Also, on the Jedi Bendu in the original script, or whatever...interesting how Lucasfilm keeps all those old terms around. Bendu was the name of that force creature in Rebels
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redline248 said:

..and I know a lot of people have a problem with the Rule of 2, but the way it was mostly laid out in the Darth Bane books (now, of course, not canon) makes a lot of sense.

However, the part that makes the least sense is that Yoda somehow knows about it. Alias man or someone might be able to give an update on current canon, but if the Sith were 'extinct' for 1000 years, and the Rule of 2 started with Bane when they were hidden...how does Yoda find out about?

honest question because I never got into the EU. were those books written before Episode 1, thereby making the rule of 2 thing make sense in context, or were they authors desperately trying to make the nonsense make sense retroactively?
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Presley OBannons Sword said:

redline248 said:

..and I know a lot of people have a problem with the Rule of 2, but the way it was mostly laid out in the Darth Bane books (now, of course, not canon) makes a lot of sense.

However, the part that makes the least sense is that Yoda somehow knows about it. Alias man or someone might be able to give an update on current canon, but if the Sith were 'extinct' for 1000 years, and the Rule of 2 started with Bane when they were hidden...how does Yoda find out about?

honest question because I never got into the EU. were those books written before Episode 1, thereby making the rule of 2 thing make sense in context, or were they authors desperately trying to make the nonsense make sense retroactively?


As far as I know the rule of 2 was created by Lucas sometime before TPM, but the Bane books were written after Ep3

Edit to add: I do wonder how much input Lucas have to the author about how/why Bane created the rule.
 
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