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*****Daredevil Season 3*****

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Definitely Not A Cop
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Started the first episode last night. Kicks off to a great start.

This is the only Marvel property on Netflix I really think is good. The other series are enjoyable (well, besides JJ2 and IF1), but I would not classify them as good. They just make it hard to care about the main characters personal struggles and instead come off too whiny or preachy.

Maybe it's the actor, and maybe it's the writing, and maybe it's just me, but Matt Murdock is completely different. Really looking forward to this season.
Always_Right
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I really liked the role he played on Boardwalk Empire, just think he's a better actor overall then the others.
Sex Panther
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Great_I_Am said:

I really liked the role he played on Boardwalk Empire, just think he's a better actor overall then the others.


**** THE RANGERS

**** GARCIA

ALTUVE IS GOD
YouBet
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I binged first four episodes last night. Fourth episode is kick ass.

Don't forget this property also has Vincent D'Onofrio. Oscar caliber actor in my opinion.
Always_Right
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Not sure what it is but this chick has always annoyed me.

Madmarttigan
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On episode 10 , Fisk is just such a great villain.
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rhutton125
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So far so good. 8 down.

Had a top-5 Netflix MCU fight sequence earlier, too.
Trident 88
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tv1113 said:

On episode 10 , Fisk is just such a great villain.
Episode 10 sucked - Karen Page backstory, and the fight in the church was ridiculous. Other than that, I've enjoyed the twists and turns in this season. Just a few more episodes to go.
Definitely Not A Cop
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Bullseye might be my new favorite villain. They did such an awesome job with him
mm98
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Wow. Ep4 was GREAT! Maybe one of the best DD episodes ever.

Trident 88
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Daredevil Season 3: The Gentleman's Agreement

Meh...

If anyone knows what happened with Bullseye in the very last scene, please share. Does he become a new villain with new powers? Is it a villain I would know if I didn't stop reading comic books decades ago?


Definitely Not A Cop
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Trident 88 said:

Daredevil Season 3: The Gentleman's Agreement

Meh...

If anyone knows what happened with Bullseye in the very last scene, please share. Does he become a new villain with new powers? Is it a villain I would know if I didn't stop reading comic books decades ago?





i was under the impression that it was still Bullseye, just now he is going to be stronger and faster. That scene was kind of cheesy IMO.
nickstro66
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In the comics, I'm pretty sure Bullseye is given an adamantium spine at one point
Madmarttigan
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Trident 88 said:

tv1113 said:

On episode 10 , Fisk is just such a great villain.
Episode 10 sucked - Karen Page backstory, and the fight in the church was ridiculous. Other than that, I've enjoyed the twists and turns in this season. Just a few more episodes to go.


The Karen backstory was meh but I thought the fight was fine. I was a little confused how Matt was thoroughly beating the **** out of him and he was unphased until he got knocked off a balcony 20 ft in the air, but still walks away.
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AggieDarlin
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I've spent too much time hoping Karen would get thrown into a vat of acid. She's whining, panting, and breathless in nearly every scene. Someone get that b*tch an inhaler and a straitjacket.
Trident 88
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tv1113 said:

Trident 88 said:

tv1113 said:

On episode 10 , Fisk is just such a great villain.
Episode 10 sucked - Karen Page backstory, and the fight in the church was ridiculous. Other than that, I've enjoyed the twists and turns in this season. Just a few more episodes to go.


The Karen backstory was meh but I thought the fight was fine. I was a little confused how Matt was thoroughly beating the **** out of him and he was unphased until he got knocked off a balcony 20 ft in the air, but still walks away.
Daredevil is supposed to be extremely difficult to hit because he has superhuman senses. In fact, there was a scene in a previous season where Stick helped him figure out how to use his "radar" to avoid being hit, and for at least the next one or two fights afterward, the fight choreographer seemed to remember this. However, this season's fights are just bloody brawls.
Madmarttigan
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Well they kind of laid the ground that he isn't 100% and he admitted that bullseye is better than him. He hasn't complained about it in a few episodes but he is probably still off.
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The Debt
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Well they kinda establish the fact MM isnt 100% when it comes to his hearing.

Further they nerf his finesse by giving him tightrope hands and liken him to battlin jack Murdock, the guy who takes heavy beatings.


It seems every franchise has to have a story where the hero is without his powers as to put him in real threat. The wolverine, ironman 3, thor 1...
Trident 88
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They establish the problem with his hearing initially, but he demonstrated his super senses - including his hearing - plenty of times in later episodes.

It would have been a lot better IMO if they established him as being back to full strength for the church fight and have him kick Bullseye's ass. But then, Bullseye creates a diversion (like murdering the priest) and escapes, and then calls in the FBI as Dex.
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Trident 88 said:

The Debt - Well they kinda establish the fact MM isnt 100%

Your reply -
They establish the problem with his hearing initially, but he demonstrated his super senses - including his hearing - plenty of times in later episodes.


Isn't this basically saying the same thing? It seems like as each fight begins he's fine, but with the more damage he takes, his senses start to fade in and out. Like an injured athlete...starts a game okay and shows signs of wear down as the game goes on. At least that is my interpretation of his abilities so far through E11.

Trident 88
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No, not the same. I was referring to the potentially permanent damage to his senses caused by the building collapse in The Defenders. After 2-3 episodes, it appeared that the damage wasn't permanent. He was back to normal, so he should have been a lot more difficult to hit. He should have been more of a bad ass than the fight choreography portrayed.

Just my opinion, of course. He has superhuman senses, so I'd like to see him use them in a fight like he did in the comic books. Otherwise, he's nothing special.

Give me that much, and I'll overlook how he broke the bike lock like it was nothing, how Kingpin's dining room table was obviously made of plywood, etc.
GiveEmHellBill
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Into the eleventh episode, I'm really enjoying it apart from one glaring thing:

Karen Page is an utterly worthless character whose mere presence becomes more and more irritating and infuriating. She has literally one emotion during the entire season: verge of tears. And it's so annoying.

Otherwise, it's been phenomenal.
Living Legend
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I thought this season was the best in comic book tv history. Can't wait for season 4.
Madmarttigan
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Yep I enjoyed it a lot. Daredevil and Punisher are just in a league of their own.

Iron Fist was on the rise until the insanely cheesy ending scene in s2, Luke Cage was better until the end when his character arc did a complete 180. JJ For having a fantastic 1st season just was a little dull in the 2nd.
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PatAg
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Living Legend said:

I thought this season was the best in comic book tv history. Can't wait for season 4.
It's just crazy how much better this show is than the other Marvel shows (not Punisher it is also good)

I think this show just has the best actors, along with Punisher having a great main character and main villain as actors

That's part of what made season 1 of Jessica Jones so good, Tennant is just an amazing actor.

I'm not sure Luke Cage is good enough to carry his own show, but he is great in any other series he shows up in. I tend to think that show just had poor writing and directing.
FL_Ag1998
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I read Daredevil as a kid but never had experience with BullsEye, so maybe in the comic books Bullseye is a world-class hand-to-hand combatant. But in the world set up in these Netflix shows, Daredevil hails from a father who is known for being able to withstand beatings in the ring, has superhuman senses that allowed him to pick up freaking vibrations in the air caused by movement, plus he has been trained the majority of his life by Stick to fight the Hand in hand-to-hand combat. In this Netflix Marvel Universe, there is simply no way that a man who has just been in the Army and FBI SWAT would be able to compete for any length of time in hand to hand combat versus Daredevil. Under those parameters, it was ridiculous to see the amount of times the Bullseye not only held his own versus Daredevil but beat him in simple hand to hand combat. And yes they established that Daredevil's senses were back to normal by at least mid-way through the season.

Overall, the fight scenes in this season pale in comparison to the previous two seasons. Some of them were actually pretty bad. The choreography and acting in them was just subpar to the standard set in the first two seasons.

And yes Karen Page is annoying. And that fact is aggravated by the absence of Elektra in the season. Elektra was so hot and compelling as a character that it made having to put up with Karen Page worthwhile.

Overall, this was the weakest season out of the three. Still better than the other Marvel shows on tv though, and I still like it enough to hope that there's a season 4.
Trident 88
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As you can see in my posts, I completely agree with you as far as the fights are concerned. However, the story was easily good enough to hold my interest and keep me watching the episodes back to back. I thoroughly enjoyed this season from that perspective.

And yes, the actress playing Karen Page was unusually annoying this season. Always on the edge and irritating as hell. Too bad, because she was pretty hot in True Blood.
Definitely Not A Cop
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I thought it was pretty evident that DD outclassed Bullseye in hand to hand up close. I thought they did a good job with him constantly creating separation so that he could attack from a distance. Maybe they still overpowered him though.

The most unbelievable part of the fighting to me was that DD was the only person who seemed to get bruised or had lasting effects of a fight. Bullseye after the church scene looking like he was completely unscathed was the only time I really eye-rolled.
Living Legend
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Champ Bailey said:

I thought it was pretty evident that DD outclassed Bullseye in hand to hand up close. I thought they did a good job with him constantly creating separation so that he could attack from a distance. Maybe they still overpowered him though.

The most unbelievable part of the fighting to me was that DD was the only person who seemed to get bruised or had lasting effects of a fight. Bullseye after the church scene looking like he was completely unscathed was the only time I really eye-rolled.


You guys have to keep in mind that bullseye was wearing DD's padded suit and that's a part of the reason why DD was having such a hard time defeating him.
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Agreed with above.

Here are some scattered thoughts after finishing Season 3, which I thought was great.

Mentioned above, but Bullseye was wearing armor that was cut-resistant and bulletproof in certain areas. Matt had the equivalent of a bed sheet, in comparison. Also, for my headcanon, Dex is also a psychopath, so he may treat pain differently than the rest of us do.

Speaking of Bullseye, holy cow was that first showdown a good one. I could rant about what makes a good superhero action sequence for hours, but I felt like that scene checked all the right boxes. What you want is characters doing things that only they can do, in an environment that showcases them best. So having Dex chuck scissors around with deadly accurate is 100% a Bullseye thing, and something that only he can do. He's also the perfect foil in that scene for Daredevil's radar senses, like when he ricochets a baton off the ground or a baseball off a wall. Aside from Bullseye and maybe Hawkeye, you'll never see a fight quite like that again. Good stuff.

So, I agree that Matt had the advantage in hand-to-hand, but between the suit and the ranged accuracy, Bullseye was able to fend Matt off and eventually knock him out this time.

Speaking of Bullseye, it may have been mentioned above but the point of that final scene (and that's two extremely cheesy final scenes in a row, with Iron Fist season 2) was to show that Dex is still alive, and presumably he's going to be full Bullseye going forward. Hopefully that means assassin-for-hire, black suit, Daredevil's nemesis kind of thing. I'm in.

Regarding fight choreography in general, I thought that this season was very solid. It made sense that Matt was more of a brawler than before. Early on it was because he was recovering, but even late in the game, he was operating with tunnel vision. His master plan in the final episode is "break in, kill Fisk." No time for finesse, this was a desperate man.

Regarding Karen, I didn't have a problem with her at all. I liked that she and Foggy had their own stories, instead of waiting around for Matt, waiting to be saved or not knowing what to do without Matt. There was still some of that - it's called Daredevil, after all - but I liked that all 3 characters had their own approaches. Karen went for the press / public opinion / coercion method, Foggy went for the political pressure / legal system method, and Matt went full vigilante. And none of those methods ended up working. All it took in the end was one good man taking a stand, even though it'd cost him everything.

Speaking of that one good man, if I had one "issue" with this season, it was with Ray Nadeem. It certainly made sense to have him as a character, because we really needed to see how things were going inside the FBI / law. But I thought he was pretty boring overall. The actor has one facial expression. You pretty much knew what he was going to do in each dramatic moment. He wasn't terrible, but he was probably the least interesting link.


Overall, I was quite pleased. I think this was a top-tier Netflix MCU season for sure.
PatAg
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The Karen hate is the complaint I don't really get. I was with everyone else in not like Skyler in Breaking Bad, but I don't think their characters are the same.
That being said I did find myself wanting to fast forward through most of her flashback scenes
91_Aggie
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Finished this last night.

Seems like they were setting up Kingpin's wife to be the female Kingpin in the future. Their constant eye contact as Kingpin was making the final deal with Matt perhaps was a "knowing nod and a wink" for Kingpin... "Sure, Matt... I'll agree to your deal that if I keep my mouth shut and leave Foggy/Karen alone, as long as you don't go after my wife and I go to prison", when he knows his wife will essentially take over for him and Daredevil has to leave her alone
Always_Right
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Finished it last night, probably the best season of any show I watch on Netflix.
VarkAg77
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When will DD (or the writers) ever figure out that his biggest fighting advantage would come when he fights in near or complete darkness - kill the lights dude!
MASAXET
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VarkAg77 said:

When will DD (or the writers) ever figure out that his biggest fighting advantage would come when he fights in near or complete darkness - kill the lights dude!
They show him doing that fairly regularly
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