Fredo Corleone in GF2

Drawkcab said:

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E.KingTrill said:

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Samuel L Jackson in Deep Blue Sea

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Damn you! I opened this thread to post a gif of this.

Oh well, least now I don't have to find one.

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... occurred at the end of Von Ryan's Express.

Aggie94 said:

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Sean Connery's character in The Untouchables - was not expecting it.

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Really? I was more surprised by the FBI accountant getting shot.

Presley OBannons Sword said:

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I don't really get why so many of you are saying Fredo. By the end of GF2, Michael was completely cold-blooded, and he had already shown in part 1 that he had no qualms about killing family members. If any death ordered by Michael was surprising, it was Carlo's in part 1. In fact, Fredo's death was nearly an exact duplicate of Carlo's, in the way Michael pretty much made him confess his betrayal, then led him to believe he would be let go with a harsh punishment, but not death, right before he was executed. I don't really remember the first time I watched GF2, but I certainly don't remember being surprised. It was perfectly within character for Michael.

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Re-watch the movie. The story did a good job of making you change your mind before Fredo was killed.

You're right, Michael had become ruthless, but things were also in chaos with the family (business and personal). Hyman Roth situation, his wife and kids, internally finding the rat, he had issues with Frank Pentangeli, the Cuban investment loss, the Nevada license situation, the hearings in DC...he couldn't plug the holes quick enough.

But everything started to reverse course, and Michael started to close loose ends one by one.

You knew he was going to kill Fredo from the moment he kissed him in Cuba. Michael had been losing all the family he had. His father was dead, his mom passed, Connie had been gone, he literally closed the door on Kate...But then his mother's funeral came. Connie returns to the family, pledges to take care of Michael (which he hadnt had that in a long time), and she pleads with Michael to save Fredo. You then have the scene with them embracing, with Michael seemingly forgiving him. They did a good job making you think, like everything else, things with Michael and Fredo were reversing course...

Until boom.

AgGrad99 said:

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Presley OBannons Sword said:

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I don't really get why so many of you are saying Fredo. By the end of GF2, Michael was completely cold-blooded, and he had already shown in part 1 that he had no qualms about killing family members. If any death ordered by Michael was surprising, it was Carlo's in part 1. In fact, Fredo's death was nearly an exact duplicate of Carlo's, in the way Michael pretty much made him confess his betrayal, then led him to believe he would be let go with a harsh punishment, but not death, right before he was executed. I don't really remember the first time I watched GF2, but I certainly don't remember being surprised. It was perfectly within character for Michael.

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Re-watch the movie. The story did a good job of making you change your mind before Fredo was killed.

You're right, Michael had become ruthless, but things were also in chaos with the family (business and personal). Hyman Roth situation, his wife and kids, internally finding the rat, he had issues with Frank Pentangeli, the Cuban investment loss, the Nevada license situation, the hearings in DC...he couldn't plug the holes quick enough.

But everything started to reverse course, and Michael started to close loose ends one by one.

You knew he was going to kill Fredo from the moment he kissed him in Cuba. Michael had been losing all the family he had. His father was dead, his mom passed, Connie had been gone, he literally closed the door on Kate...But then his mother's funeral came. Connie returns to the family, pledges to take care of Michael (which he hadnt had that in a long time), and she pleads with Michael to save Fredo. You then have the scene with them embracing, with Michael seemingly forgiving him. They did a good job making you think, like everything else, things with Michael and Fredo were reversing course...

Until boom.

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Never thought that. No surprise at all...it was the literal Kiss of Death. Just a matter of time as Michael said "I don't want anything to happen to him.....while my mother is alive".

He broke his heart, Michael never forgets.

I had a very similar reaction.

AgGrad99 said:

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Presley OBannons Sword said:

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I don't really get why so many of you are saying Fredo. By the end of GF2, Michael was completely cold-blooded, and he had already shown in part 1 that he had no qualms about killing family members. If any death ordered by Michael was surprising, it was Carlo's in part 1. In fact, Fredo's death was nearly an exact duplicate of Carlo's, in the way Michael pretty much made him confess his betrayal, then led him to believe he would be let go with a harsh punishment, but not death, right before he was executed. I don't really remember the first time I watched GF2, but I certainly don't remember being surprised. It was perfectly within character for Michael.

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Re-watch the movie. The story did a good job of making you change your mind before Fredo was killed.

You're right, Michael had become ruthless, but things were also in chaos with the family (business and personal). Hyman Roth situation, his wife and kids, internally finding the rat, he had issues with Frank Pentangeli, the Cuban investment loss, the Nevada license situation, the hearings in DC...he couldn't plug the holes quick enough.

But everything started to reverse course, and Michael started to close loose ends one by one.

You knew he was going to kill Fredo from the moment he kissed him in Cuba. Michael had been losing all the family he had. His father was dead, his mom passed, Connie had been gone, he literally closed the door on Kate...But then his mother's funeral came. Connie returns to the family, pledges to take care of Michael (which he hadnt had that in a long time), and she pleads with Michael to save Fredo. You then have the scene with them embracing, with Michael seemingly forgiving him. They did a good job making you think, like everything else, things with Michael and Fredo were reversing course...

Until boom.

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I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. I've watched that movie probably twenty times, so no need to rewatch.

Dawale said:

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The girl in The Bridge to Terabithia. The trailer made that movie look like a Narnia type fantasy, but instead you get kicked in the stomach with that death.

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doesn't she die in the book?

Bitter Old Man said:

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About 5-10 minutes before the end of Rogue 1 when I realized that they were all going to die. I spent the rest of the movie thinking through the ramifications of that for Disney.

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Yeah, I had the "holy ****, Lucasfilm is going to kill off every last one of them" reaction as well. Had a bit of a alright this is more than I expected and I don't want them all to die mixed emotions going on.

maybe "shocking" is the wrong word for Fredo's demise and so is "unexpected".

but still...

something about it was just very "no way they go that route. do they?....wow..they went that route!" kinda vibe to it.

Noah Newman in US Marshals

My Girl

Jack in Titanic

The wife in Return to Me ( I mean, you know what the movie is about but Duchovny is so freaking sad)

AgGrad99 said:

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Presley OBannons Sword said:

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I don't really get why so many of you are saying Fredo. By the end of GF2, Michael was completely cold-blooded, and he had already shown in part 1 that he had no qualms about killing family members. If any death ordered by Michael was surprising, it was Carlo's in part 1. In fact, Fredo's death was nearly an exact duplicate of Carlo's, in the way Michael pretty much made him confess his betrayal, then led him to believe he would be let go with a harsh punishment, but not death, right before he was executed. I don't really remember the first time I watched GF2, but I certainly don't remember being surprised. It was perfectly within character for Michael.

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Re-watch the movie. The story did a good job of making you change your mind before Fredo was killed.

You're right, Michael had become ruthless, but things were also in chaos with the family (business and personal). Hyman Roth situation, his wife and kids, internally finding the rat, he had issues with Frank Pentangeli, the Cuban investment loss, the Nevada license situation, the hearings in DC...he couldn't plug the holes quick enough.

But everything started to reverse course, and Michael started to close loose ends one by one.

You knew he was going to kill Fredo from the moment he kissed him in Cuba. Michael had been losing all the family he had. His father was dead, his mom passed, Connie had been gone, he literally closed the door on Kate...But then his mother's funeral came. Connie returns to the family, pledges to take care of Michael (which he hadnt had that in a long time), and she pleads with Michael to save Fredo. You then have the scene with them embracing, with Michael seemingly forgiving him. They did a good job making you think, like everything else, things with Michael and Fredo were reversing course...

Until boom.

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Also, Carlo is not comparable. He wasn't blood family, he had one brother killed and he regularly beat the sister. His death was expected, not shocking.

I dunno, I guess I was just hopeful that when he was interviewing the old lady, Old Jack would like pop around the corner, or maybe she would say they had 40 good years together before he croaked. Girl emotions.

HtownAg92 said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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Presley OBannons Sword said:

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I don't really get why so many of you are saying Fredo. By the end of GF2, Michael was completely cold-blooded, and he had already shown in part 1 that he had no qualms about killing family members. If any death ordered by Michael was surprising, it was Carlo's in part 1. In fact, Fredo's death was nearly an exact duplicate of Carlo's, in the way Michael pretty much made him confess his betrayal, then led him to believe he would be let go with a harsh punishment, but not death, right before he was executed. I don't really remember the first time I watched GF2, but I certainly don't remember being surprised. It was perfectly within character for Michael.

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Re-watch the movie. The story did a good job of making you change your mind before Fredo was killed.

You're right, Michael had become ruthless, but things were also in chaos with the family (business and personal). Hyman Roth situation, his wife and kids, internally finding the rat, he had issues with Frank Pentangeli, the Cuban investment loss, the Nevada license situation, the hearings in DC...he couldn't plug the holes quick enough.

But everything started to reverse course, and Michael started to close loose ends one by one.

You knew he was going to kill Fredo from the moment he kissed him in Cuba. Michael had been losing all the family he had. His father was dead, his mom passed, Connie had been gone, he literally closed the door on Kate...But then his mother's funeral came. Connie returns to the family, pledges to take care of Michael (which he hadnt had that in a long time), and she pleads with Michael to save Fredo. You then have the scene with them embracing, with Michael seemingly forgiving him. They did a good job making you think, like everything else, things with Michael and Fredo were reversing course...

Until boom.

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Also, Carlo is not comparable. He wasn't blood family, he had one brother killed and he regularly beat the sister. His death was expected, not shocking.

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I didn't think Carlo's death was shocking. I said that if either of them were surprising it would be Carlo's over Fredo's, but I didn't think either of them were particularly surprising. You are also viewing GF1 Michael through 2017 lenses. Upon the first viewing of GF1, it wasn't so obvious that he was going to be so utterly and completely cold blooded.

But good point with the blood family thing, not a perfect comparison.

Guitarsoup said:

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I don't see how any thought that Jack in Titanic was a shocking death.l

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agreed. it was pretty much obvious from the very beginning with the old lady and the entire tone of the film

Presley OBannons Sword said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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I don't see how any thought that Jack in Titanic was a shocking death.l

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agreed. it was pretty much obvious from the very beginning with the old lady and the entire tone of the film

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The dog from Marley & Me.

Thinking it's a comedy and then is absolutely depressing.

No Country for old mean
- everyone

Red Dawn
- everyone

Lonesome Dove
- Gus (I'll admit I cried when they said goodbye. It's been a hell of a party...

Carlito.

He almost made it.

Honestly the toughest death I've ever seen I just watched.

It wasn't a movie, it was "13 Reasons Why" on Netflix. It was awful to watch.