In reply to Bruce Almighty

Bruce Almighty said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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"It's suicide to go out there. It's impossible to cross. No one can cross"

Pine's character says "No MAN can cross it. There's an emphasis on the word, from my recollection,"

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You're looking to much into it. Man as in humanity. No man can cross it, but a God can. It's not like any woman could do it either.

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And I very well may be. Like I said, I thought it was a very good movie and really enjoyed it, but that one part just struck me.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I enjoy seeing F&F graduates having success outside of that franchise.

And by the way, her introduction was in 4. She was great in that one.

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Yea, I originally said Fast & Furious instead of Fast 5.

Edit: Wrong emoticon. Meant to have 'Blue Star'

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BigTimeAlum said:

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Every single incarnation of WW has been dismissive about the capabilities of men. She grew up in an Amazonian culture that had distain for men in general. She has always made those types of "I am no man..." empowerment comments in the comics, cartoons, TV show, etc. I would have been surprised if there wasn't one. It's central to her character and was in no way out of place.

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The Amazons were that way, but Wonder Woman never was. It's one of the reasons why she leaves Themyscira.

In reply to YouBet Man, I completely missed that. Man. Guess I messed this one up.

In reply to BassCowboy33 I think you're reaching.

In reply to Sapper Redux this is rich

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Dr. Watson said:

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You mean a few people on the internet are over analyzing something? I'd be willing to bet there's a 50 page argument on some DC blog or forum complaining about her costume.

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The costume has been out there for a while, so if there are any complaints about that, none are all that new. The WW wardrobe redesign is a fascinating story. Snyder realized that the traditional costume would play well in the States, but her overtly pro-America/capitalism/truth-justice-America-blablabla past wouldn't play as well to overseas markets, especially since it was designed in the WWII era.

Snyder's idea for the redesign wanted to accentuate the legs to make WW appear longer and sleeker, as well as darker, serious color tones to fit the DC Universe that's being created. He also elongated the bracelets and boots. All these things worked great. Snyder also sought Gadot for the role, instead a traditional American actress, in opposition to Jenkins' wishes.

For the amount of flak Snyder has collected as a director and editor, his story and vision have been pretty awesome. It seems that maybe he needed someone who could make that story smoother to the general audience. Even though Jenkins directed the film, you could feel Snyder's influence in the slow motion. whirling dervish fight sequences.

Personally, I can easily separate politics from film. Sean Penn, Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise are all good in my book. But not everyone can just enjoy a movie without pushing a cause.

In reply to BassCowboy33

BassCowboy33 said:

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For the amount of flak Snyder has collected as a director and editor, his story and vision have been pretty awesome. It seems that maybe he needed someone who could make that story smoother to the general audience. Even though Jenkins directed the film, you could feel Snyder's influence in the slow motion. whirling dervish fight sequences.

Personally, I can easily separate politics from film. Sean Penn, Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise are all good in my book. But not everyone can just enjoy a movie without pushing a cause.

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I'd argue that telling a story is Snyder's biggest flaw as a director. He's great with the visuals (although I'd wager less is generally more and he doesn't tend to do that, as with the slowmo) but his storytelling and general plot direction tends to leave a lot to be desired. A lot of folks (myself included) question his general vision for the DCU as well, as it seems to have put together in a rather haphazard way.

Agreed on your second point though, I'm quite comfortable with Tom Cruise being more than a bit out there and making generally fantastic action films.

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fig96 said:

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BassCowboy33 said:

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For the amount of flak Snyder has collected as a director and editor, his story and vision have been pretty awesome. It seems that maybe he needed someone who could make that story smoother to the general audience. Even though Jenkins directed the film, you could feel Snyder's influence in the slow motion. whirling dervish fight sequences.

Personally, I can easily separate politics from film. Sean Penn, Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise are all good in my book. But not everyone can just enjoy a movie without pushing a cause.

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I'd argue that telling a story is Snyder's biggest flaw as a director. He's great with the visuals (although I'd wager less is generally more and he doesn't tend to do that, as with the slowmo) but his storytelling and general plot direction tends to leave a lot to be desired. A lot of folks (myself included) question his general vision for the DCU as well, as it seems to have put together in a rather haphazard way.

Agreed on your second point though, I'm quite comfortable with Tom Cruise being more than a bit out there and making generally fantastic action films.

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I'll agree and disagree. I also feel that the DCU has been put together quite hastily, but I don't see that as a product of Snyder, but rather a Warner Bros. issue.

I had no issues with BvS other than some choppy editing fight sequences that made things feel a bit disjointed, but I realize that I am a minority in that line of thinking. I really enjoyed Man of Steel and Watchmen as well. I love the darker, more serious tone of these movies.

In reply to BassCowboy33 His two best told films, IMO, are Watchmen and 300, both of which were basically storyboarded for him by Frank Miller.

Fair point on the planning being on DC/WB rather than him, but as far as vision I feel like he's pushed everything into this murky desaturated realm that doesn't necessarily fit the tone of the different characters in the DCU.

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fig96 said:

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His two best told films, IMO, are Watchmen and 300, both of which were basically storyboarded for him by Frank Miller.

Fair point on the planning being on DC/WB rather than him, but as far as vision I feel like he's pushed everything into this murky desaturated realm that doesn't necessarily fit the tone of the different characters in the DCU.

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Watchmen is Moore, but I agree with your point.

In reply to Bruce Almighty And I know that...more coffee

In reply to BassCowboy33 That Essence pundit has a full blown case of the crazies

In reply to AgMarauder04

AgMarauder04 said:

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That Essence pundit has a full blown case of the crazies

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Yeah, it was a jaw dropper.

Saw this yesterday with some buddies.


The good: Character motivations actually made sense as opposed to certain other movies (Why did you say that name?? *facepalm*). The dialogue was pretty good. No one said anything that either didn't make sense from the perspective of their character or just sounded weirdly phrased. The major plot points were built up to nicely, with no odd turns. By the end of the movie, you actually cared about what happened to the major characters


The weird: The comedy. Something was off. I was in a 2/3 capacity theatre with about 40 people in it and only 4-5 people laughed at each joke. I didn't laugh once and neither did any of my buddies. Something seemed off in either delivery or timing. The jokes themselves seemed fine on paper. It may have had something to do with the majority of them being shown at one point in every trailer. Could have just been the crowd, but I don't buy that.


The bad: The action sequences involving WW in the second half of the movie. Choreography was fine, but some of the camera action was eyerolley. Mainly the overuse of slow motion movement sequences. I put it up there with Abram's strobe lights or Jason Bourne shaky-cam crap. The final action sequence was also pretty wonky considering that WW goes from just being strong and fast to suddenly being able to use magic to overwhelm dozens of enemies and the God of War who she should be roughly equal to from a power perspective.



Conclusion: this was a good movie. I would give it somewhere around an 8-8.5/10, by far the best movie DC has released. Prior to the marvel comic movies, this would have been the best comic movie produced.

WW hangs on for a solid $40 Million 3rd weekend only a 30% drop but Cars 3 was #1 with $53 million.

No surprise it dropped to 2nd. But thats a solid 3rd weekend and puts it at $274 million domestic and $571 worldwide,

#1 in the DC universe is certainly likely even though it had a lower opening weekend than all 3 of these.

domestic totals:
BvS at $330
Suicide Squad at $325
MoS at $291

WW had a lower opening weekend than SS even with all of the negative reviews coming out ahead of it on SS? Surprising.

In reply to YouBet WW didn't have Will Smith, Batman, or The Joker.

In reply to Bruce Almighty

Bruce Almighty said:

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I'd probably rank it 5th best DC movie all time behind the two Burton Batman movies and the first two Nolan Batman movies. I do think it was better than TDKR though. As far as how it ranks with the best of all of Marvel, I doubt I'd put it in the top 10.

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The first Burton Batman was good, thanks to Keaton and Nicholson, but the other Batman movies were dumb (I'm NOT a fan of Tim Burton AT ALL). The Nolan movies were way better, and I would put WW right behind them, along with the first Burton Batman. So still 5th for me but I can't separate the Nolan movies.

I also didn't hate MoS, BvS, or SS, so there's that.

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MooreTrucker said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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I'd probably rank it 5th best DC movie all time behind the two Burton Batman movies and the first two Nolan Batman movies. I do think it was better than TDKR though. As far as how it ranks with the best of all of Marvel, I doubt I'd put it in the top 10.

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The first Burton Batman was good, thanks to Keaton and Nicholson, but the other Batman movies were dumb (I'm NOT a fan of Tim Burton AT ALL). The Nolan movies were way better, and I would put WW right behind them, along with the first Burton Batman. So still 5th for me but I can't separate the Nolan movies.

I also didn't hate MoS, BvS, or SS, so there's that.

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Burton only did 2 and I think Batman Returns was better than Batman.

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TCTTS said:

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WW didn't have Will Smith, Batman, or The Joker.

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Don't underestimate the hype for Captain Boomerang either

In reply to BassCowboy33 I am not one of those.

In reply to wesag

wesag said:

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I am on vacation near Myrtle beach and it rained today so we went to the show. I offered up Wonder Woman to multiple people. No takers, thank goodness.

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So your point is to bag on a movie you haven't seen indiscriminately. (since you have never posted a review here i can only assume).

Epic post. thanks for your contribution. I'd love to debate it with you but.....nah.

In reply to wesag Are you trying to bash on someone for enjoying a summer popcorn flick?

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wesag said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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wesag said:

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I am on vacation near Myrtle beach and it rained today so we went to the show. I offered up Wonder Woman to multiple people. No takers, thank goodness.

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So your point is to bag on a movie you haven't seen indiscriminately. (since you have never posted a review here i can only assume).

Epic post. thanks for your contribution. I'd love to debate it with you but.....nah.

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Just pointing out that superhero movies suck. I bet you liked Guardians 2 didn't you? Oh yeah it was so funny right?

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Actually NO.

I hate super hero movies by and large. The good ones I could number on one hand.

Hey here is fun tidbit for you.....I did see GotG 2......but I felt so inspired by it that I haven't even bothered posting one way or another about it on the GotG2 movie thread. go search for anything posted by me on there.

I didn't even bother bagging on it. Not worth my time.

thats a weird concept to you I'm sure. Since you post on movies you haven't even seen I guess you must post about every movie you have seen as well.

I got a clue for you - your opinions are not as valued as you would like to think - particularly on movies you haven't seen. And you don't even have to post on every movie you do see. Weird, right?