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12:00p, 5/23/16
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I'm not convinced Wilis saw the death of Hodor. He heard Meera yelling "hold the door" over and over, and somehow, bran being linked to both present and past crossed up Wilis's wiring. If he saw the events of his death, why would he ever go anywhere with Bran later in life?

Personally, I hate these kind of time travel loops b/c they usually make no sense. Is Wilis the only one that can "hear" Bran's present state b/c he has an older version of himself with Bran? Why doesn't random chicken farmer hear what's going on and go crazy?
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In reply to MW03 • 12:01p, 5/23/16
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So, Arya lied to the faceless man and got away with it, right? She told him that she would poison the rum because only the actress drank it, but clearly both the actress and fake tyrion drank the rum. I'm not certain cause I was still shocked by fake sansa's funyuns.
She was on a recon. She told him she will poison the wine, not that she did.
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In reply to redline248 • 12:05p, 5/23/16
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So, Arya lied to the faceless man and got away with it, right? She told him that she would poison the rum because only the actress drank it, but clearly both the actress and fake tyrion drank the rum. I'm not certain cause I was still shocked by fake sansa's funyuns.
She was on a recon. She told him she will poison the wine, not that she did.
That's not what the OP was saying.

The issue is: Arya clearly saw 2 people drink from the wine and reported back that only 1 had.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 12:07p, 5/23/16
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So, Arya lied to the faceless man and got away with it, right? She told him that she would poison the rum because only the actress drank it, but clearly both the actress and fake tyrion drank the rum. I'm not certain cause I was still shocked by fake sansa's funyuns.
She was on a recon. She told him she will poison the wine, not that she did.
That's not what the OP was saying.

The issue is: Arya clearly saw 2 people drink from the wine and reported back that only 1 had.

RUM!!!!!

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In reply to M.C. Swag • 12:08p, 5/23/16
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No the actress she wants to kill only drank rum. She was the only one in the group who did. The dwarf drank wine.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:08p, 5/23/16
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Were there 2 bottles? I think you're arguing semantics. Interchange rum for wine then and you have the same issue.

EDIT: I did not recall the lady drinking from a different bottle than the dwarf. I'll have to rewatch i guess
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 12:12p, 5/23/16
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Were their 2 bottles there? I think you're arguing semantics. Interchange rum for wine then and you have the same issue.

EDIT: I did not recall the lady drinking from a different bottle than the dwarf. I'll have to rewatch i guess


The dwarf had a wineskin in his hands, the actress pulled out a bottle of rum IIRC.
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12:14p, 5/23/16
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just kinda a side note:

this episode (which was great i think all the hodor stuff and the play was a riot, sad dany ,etc.) was the first time i felt like the writers are acknowledging fan feedback and some real world reactions deliberately in the script.


1. Tyrion mockingly calling Dany "Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains... all that." seemed like a pretty clear nod to the jokes/memes about Dany and all her titles.


2. Brienne telling Sansa her brother Jon was "A bit brooding, perhaps" was a pretty direct nod to the reaction to Jon's demeanor most of the time by fans.

3. This is the big one. they got a lot of flack over Sansa's rape at the hands of Ramsay. This seemed like a specific reaction to that, to acknowledge how horrible it was since it seemed to be taken so much in stride last season which some people were upset about. Great to see it was so traumatic she is still affected. While I think it was handled well, was it done only as a reaction to the backlash. Just curious. Maybe it was always planned.

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In reply to wangus12 • 12:18p, 5/23/16
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Here's a map of where everything is. Kings road isn't that far from the Twins, at least close enough for scouts or something to be aware of things. Have to think the Freys would be like "Uh, where's that big ass army from the Vale going?"

Then, they go through the Neck. Does LF stop on the way and talk to the Crannogmen and say, "yeah we're just going up to fight Ramsay Bolton."

I am assuming the army of the Vale sailed up to Moat Cailin. That way avoids the Freys.

Bu then the show does not read a map...last week Littlefinger claimed he was ambushed by the Boltons while taking Sansa from the Eeyrie to the Fingers...unless the Boltons got a fleet we have not heard about..that is not likely to happen

It still takes a while to raise and army and get them on ships.
But we know that ambush was just a bull**** excuse on why he turned over Sansa. The Lords of the Vale would definitely not follow if they knew the truth.
My point is that a Lord of the Vale with any knowledge of a map should know it was bull**** too.

As it is Littlefinger has brought the lords out to rescue Sansa who has told him to eff off. So will the lords of the vale just sit there in the middle of winter or attack the Boltons..just because
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In reply to redline248 • 12:23p, 5/23/16
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I'm not convinced Wilis saw the death of Hodor. He heard Meera yelling "hold the door" over and over, and somehow, bran being linked to both present and past crossed up Wilis's wiring. If he saw the events of his death, why would he ever go anywhere with Bran later in life?

Personally, I hate these kind of time travel loops b/c they usually make no sense. Is Wilis the only one that can "hear" Bran's present state b/c he has an older version of himself with Bran? Why doesn't random chicken farmer hear what's going on and go crazy?
For your first question I think there are several viable answers:

1) His brain is fried and he doesn't consciously remember anything from that future self just some basic primal need to Hold the Door

2) Hodor/Wyllis isn't a coward. He was described as being strong and gentle and is show to be reluctant or even fearful of causing harm to others (likely due to his strength) but there is no reason that he could not have accepted his fate and chosen to meet it possibly even knowing the importance of the role he will play. This would imply that he is cognizant of the events at least immediately around the time of his death.

3) It's a manifestation of his loyalty and love of the Starks. He has seen Bran since he was born and feels the need to protect him.

Personally I think it is a combination of 1/3 ... I believe that Hodor saw his death but it effed his brain up so badly that he doesn't remember it just the importance of holding the door. Also regardless of whether or not he knows Bran is present at the time of his death he is too loyal to abandoned him

I do not think that Hodor comprehends his death and has nobly chosen to meet it head on.


For your second questions. I think that Wyllis can hear Bran because of the amount of focus Bran is exerting on Wyllis. This is some what indicated in the ToJ scene where young Ned very obviously heard Bran to some degree but continued on. At that moment Bran was focused on his Father and was able to project his thoughts through the intervening years, but on a normal trip through the past where he is not directing his will at a single person he can't be seen or heard.
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12:24p, 5/23/16
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So Theon and Yara just left with a fleet. What's that game plan? They have to be headed back to link up with Jon and Sansa, right? Where else are they going?

And how long does it take to build 1000 ships?
By hand.
Out of trees that haven't been planed.

That's going to take a while, bub.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 12:29p, 5/23/16
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Were their 2 bottles there? I think you're arguing semantics. Interchange rum for wine then and you have the same issue.

EDIT: I did not recall the lady drinking from a different bottle than the dwarf. I'll have to rewatch i guess


The dwarf had a wineskin in his hands, the actress pulled out a bottle of rum IIRC.

He has a wine cup already actually....here is how it went I just rewatched and took a snapshot.....


Dwarf shortly after being slapped upside the head by the topless chick walks over to the actress playing Cersei (who was laughing and brushing the blonde wig she wore) and says

"May I pour you some wine Lady Gray?"

"I'm a Rum girl....you need to know that if we are going to be intimate"

he sys "of course we're going to be intimate"

she replies "it's only a matter of time".

then we see her reach for a bottle uncorks it....and we clearly hear her pour one glass (hers) as the focus is on arya.

this shot is before she pours hers and he already has his cup in hand.



when it returns to them you see them both drink, him from the cup he already had and her from what she just poured. here is where they toast









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12:30p, 5/23/16
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I am definitely going to rewatch tonite. Lot of important info in this episode and I feel really rushed. Also I believe people are reading too much into Bran's departure and Hodor's demise...
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In reply to MW03 • 12:34p, 5/23/16
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.

That isn't the Blackfish. You are confusing the Eyrie with Riverrun.
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In reply to MW03 • 12:39p, 5/23/16
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.

The previous episode showed an interaction between LF and Lord Royce. The Blackfish is a Tully from Riverrun, and Sansa's uncle.
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In reply to stridulent • 12:40p, 5/23/16
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.

That isn't the Blackfish. You are confusing the Eyrie with Riverrun.

Vale = young Jon Arryn (the breastfeeding wimp) and Littlefinger as warden and manipulator

Riverrun = the Tullys. Edmure is the rightful heir but currently imprisoned by the Freys after the red wedding. The Blackfish is Brynden Tully who escaped the red wedding by luck - he was Edmure's uncle (so Hoster Tully the former Lord of RR's younger brother). The Freys think RR is now theirs or that Tywin was going to declare it theirs but as I recall that never happened. Brynden has whats remains of the RR army now.

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In reply to SoTXAg09 • 12:42p, 5/23/16
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.

The previous episode showed an interaction between LF and Lord Royce. The Blackfish is a Tully from Riverrun, and Sansa's uncle.
No....not Sansa's uncle....Catelyns uncle (and also Lysa and Edmure's uncle)



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In reply to MW03 • 12:44p, 5/23/16
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So Theon and Yara just left with a fleet. What's that game plan? They have to be headed back to link up with Jon and Sansa, right? Where else are they going?

And how long does it take to build 1000 ships?
By hand.
Out of trees that haven't been planed.

That's going to take a while, bub.
1. Based on trailers, they are heading to Essos.
2. A long time. The Iron Islands have almost no/no trees on it. They have to raid the mainland for trees/wood (at least in the books).
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Oh crud.

Someone explain to me then the significance of this sequence:

(1) LF dominating that dude via Little Lord Fauntleroy and saying it's time for the Knights of the Vale to get to work.
(2) LF talking to Sansa about the Blackfish taking Riverrun.

Seems like he could have said, "Hey I have the Vale knights ready to fight, girl!" Have we even seen Riverrun since Grandpa Tully died? That's probably misinformation, right?
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In reply to stridulent • 12:45p, 5/23/16
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Yeah, but I thought she told Jaquen that her intent was to go back and poison the rum because only the lady drank it, but I seem to recall the lady sharing a shot of it with the actor playing tyrion.

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On the subject of Arya, they are clearly setting up a crisis of conscience/identity for her, and I think it's going to be killing Sansa at the behest of Littlefinger. His Ramsey plan backfired, and Sansa gave him the business. He told them the Blackfish controls the army, but last episode made it clear he controls the Blackfish via the kid.

I predict LF tries to pull a switcharoo on Jon Snow with the Tully knights, and then he hires the faceless men to kill Sansa. LF underestimates the Tully's loyalty to the Starks, and then the faceless men send Arya to kill Sansa, who ends up siding with Sansa and betraying the many faced god. Thus ends the tale of LF.

That isn't the Blackfish. You are confusing the Eyrie with Riverrun.
Ok I am glad you pointed this out because I was very confused trying to figure out what MW03 saw that I missed.

To further clarify, the rotund guy that LF pretty much threatened to kill was Lord Yohn Royce (known as Bronze Yohn) of Runestone in the Vale. (Interesting note here, when Ned was being raised in the Vale he and Yohn Royce would hunt together though the extent of any friendship is not really known)

The Blackfish is Brynden Tully, Edmure, Catelyn and Lysa's Uncle. Edmure is the Lord of Riverrun but was taken hostage by Walder Frey at his own wedding to Walder's daughter (this is the Red Wedding) and remains a hostage. This makes The Blackfish the unofficial head of House Tully until he can free his nephew.
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In reply to hunter2012 • 12:48p, 5/23/16
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Btw, just want to tip the cap, the Hodor = Hold the door is just really great writing by Martin. Big time props for that.

Exactly my thought. That was a plot bomb that completely changes the character for me. I love a truth that is out in the open but reveals something new when all the details are revealed. We all knew who Hodor was, but the why is a full paradigm shift. Excellent writing, I'm glad he was able to keep it ambiguous enough to have this massive reveal. I'd say this was as powerful a scene as any in the series, minor plot wise but still extremely powerful.

Also it's pathetic how much people get worked up over animals. In the show they are little more than fodder because they've taken the Stark children's collective warging ability. On Bran has it as the new 3er. So yeah I could care less with one of the wolves dies, so long as the wolf served a purpose(like holding off a horde of wights for a few seconds was good enough for me). The books I hold to a higher standard.

I like where Bran's story is going, I wonder where he will setup shop as the new 3er. Isle of faces anyone?

Also the Mereen Red Priestess, hot hot hot.
It's pathetic? Did you torture animals as a child?
Exactly my point, being defensive over a very minor animal character dying while ignoring all the commentary over a human character prove my point. To put it simply I never got emotionally attached to my pets and other animals, nor do I understand why others do so. I just think it's sad/funny how so many people elevate animals over actual people, whether that be real life or fiction. Tonight was one of the coolest revelations about the ASOIAF universe and many are torn up because Bran's direwolf did what it was supposed to, it protected it's master to the bitter end. I honestly had the same reaction to that as I did to Leaf blowing up, a "that sucks", followed by "what's going to happen?".

...and no I didn't torture animals as a child. Just for the record.
It's a relatively new phenomenon that I think the internet has spurred on. Can't decide if people think it's cool or if they really feel that way. I have noticed that in my own personal experience those that put animals on a higher pedestal than humans are usually single and without children and more than a few have mental health issues. Just my own personal observation, not saying it applies to anyone on this thread, except for maybe PatAg.
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In reply to BigAggie06 • 12:51p, 5/23/16
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*UNCLE not Aunt.
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In reply to MW03 • 12:52p, 5/23/16
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Oh crud.

Someone explain to me then the significance of this sequence:

(1) LF dominating that dude via Little Lord Fauntleroy and saying it's time for the Knights of the Vale to get to work.
(2) LF talking to Sansa about the Blackfish taking Riverrun.

Seems like he could have said, "Hey I have the Vale knights ready to fight, girl!" Have we even seen Riverrun since Grandpa Tully died? That's probably misinformation, right?
So this shows that there are 2 very strong houses (2 of the 7 kingdoms actually) that are ready to fight to bring the north back under the stark banner. I do not think that the information about Blackfish and the riverlands army is misinformation as it tends to be in line with the books (I think) ... I believe that in the books Brynden retakes Riverrun after the Red Wedding but I don't think that has been shown in the show yet.

I think that there will end up being some tension between Sansa and Jon when Jon finds out they have the entire Vale offering to help them. LF is a self centered *******, but I think he views Sansa as more controllable than Ramsay and will continue trying to help and play the hero. Not sure how that ends, he and Varys I think are going to be the last two standing.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:53p, 5/23/16
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*UNCLE not Aunt.
Hey ... don't try to pin gender roles on the Blackfish ...

(fixed it thanks)
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In reply to BigAggie06 • 12:55p, 5/23/16
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The Blackfish is Brynden Tully, Edmure, Catelyn and Lysa's Aunt.

I don't think I'd say that to his face
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Damn, got beat to it
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In reply to MW03 • 12:56p, 5/23/16
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Oh crud.

Someone explain to me then the significance of this sequence:

(1) LF dominating that dude via Little Lord Fauntleroy and saying it's time for the Knights of the Vale to get to work.
(2) LF talking to Sansa about the Blackfish taking Riverrun.

Seems like he could have said, "Hey I have the Vale knights ready to fight, girl!" Have we even seen Riverrun since Grandpa Tully died? That's probably misinformation, right?

on 1 and 2.....read BigAggie and my posts above... but to answer your other questions....

Yes LF has the Vale army ready. RR is a separate thing and Brynden has that army presumably. Could it be LF misinformation. Possibly but I don't know what purpose that serves. Sansa can confirm it fairly easily and seems to be doing just that by sending Brienne there. I think it's likely true. No we haven't seen the Tully's since the red wedding i don't think.

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In reply to redline248 • 1:02p, 5/23/16
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On the face of things, the 3 Eyed Raven has only been waiting for Bran since his fall "unlocked" his powers. That allowed the 3 Eyed Raven to communicate with him.

Is it possible that 3ER did something to lead to Bran's fall? Similar to how Bran Hodor'ed Wyllis. I don't remember that chapter of the book, but Bran was going up to the roof to feed some ravens or something.
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1:02p, 5/23/16
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Good writeup summary of Brynden's actions in season 3 from wiki GOT after the funeral of Hoster Tully (which Catelyn was there for).....



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During the funeral of Hoster Tully, an annoyed Brynden takes the place of his nephew, Lord Edmure, after the latter fails several times to hit the funeral boat with flaming arrows. Later on he also chides Edmure for calling Robb "nephew" instead of treating him as his King as Edmure defends his course of action that led to theBattle of Stone Mill. He also consoles Catelyn when she muses about her father's funeral and whether she will ever see Bran and Rickon, whose whereabouts are unknown following the Sack of Winterfell.

The Blackfish brings Rickard Karstark and his men before King Robb after they brutally murdered Willem and Martyn Lannister as revenge against House Lannister. Brynden is highly offended when Rickard makes a derogatory comment about Ned Stark and punches him in the face in retaliation. Brynden counsels King Robb not to execute Lord Karstark but instead to keep him as a hostage, thus keeping the Karstark forces loyal to the Starks. King Robb disagrees, however, and executes Lord Karstark under charges of treason while Brynden watches on along with Edmure, Talisa and Catelyn.

The Blackfish is again present when "Black Walder" and Lothar Frey come to Riverrun to discuss an alliance betweenHouse Stark and House Frey. The Freys demand that Edmure must marry one of Lord Walder Frey's daughters if the alliance is to go ahead. Edmure is reluctant to agree to these terms but Brynden tells him that he must if they have any hope of winning the war. Edmure finally relents.

En route to the Twins for Edmure's wedding, Brynden agrees with Catelyn that Walder Frey is the *****liest man he has ever met, and quips that he has seen "wet ****s I like more than Walder Frey".

When they finally reach the Twins, Brynden is visibly angered when Walder Frey lightly insults Talisa, but stays himself. During the wedding feast, he drinks heavily and brings up Roose Bolton's marriage to Frey's granddaughter Walda to further cement their alliance. Roose confides to Brynden and Catelyn that he actually did it since Frey promised him a dowry of silver matching Walda's weight. Brynden briefly goes outside to relieve himself on a tree, narrowly escaping theRed Wedding massacre that follows shortly after and claims the lives of Robb, Catelyn, Talisa and all of their Northern allies.

Roose Bolton and Walder Frey later discover that Brynden escaped. Though Frey is undisturbed, Roose is visibly concerned that Brynden will reach the safety of Riverrun before he is found.

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In reply to wangus12 • 1:16p, 5/23/16
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I think LF's days are numbered. With that stated, he'll probably slink to the end bc that's what worms do. I have always thought LF was annoying. #LFrantover
Agreed. I also think he knew. He had that little wry smile going on when trying to say he didn't know. He knew. He just didn't realize Sansa was gonna blow him up over it. He thought he'd still be seen as the protector.
Not what I took from it.

As I have said before, he's not omniscient and he loves Sansa. He was willing to let her kill him in that scene. Dude isn't a God who knows what everyone in Westeros is or what they're thinking. At some point he has to screw up or the character isn't believable.
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1:20p, 5/23/16
Sucks for GRRM I'm imagining 20 years ago when he started mapping out Bran's time traveling powers it was a pretty cool idea but since then so many works have been done and subsequent paradox analysis that it's hard not to find holes, impossibilities and general confusion around altering past events.

I'm chalking this one up to an epic 90's idea that had to be carried out because so much of the world will revolve around it.
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Arya is getting wishy washy. When faceless man asked says "a girl needs to make a decision whether to serve the many-faced god" and Arya responds "a girl has already decided" which concludes with "then a servant needs to stop asking questions" nobody knows what she's decided. She's obviously conflicted on this murder.

Waif is going to get the green light to go faceless on Arya's ass.
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As pointless as Summer's death was, there might have been heavy symbolism there. Summer is gone. Winter is here
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In reply to BigAggie06 • 1:24p, 5/23/16
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The Blackfish holds River Run in the books with a Frey army camped outside. River Run is under siege before Jaime Lannister makes a deal for it to be lifted. During this time The Blackfish escapes by swimming under the gates in the river the night before the castle is to be handed over.
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