Man, I think I would be disappointed if Bran can tell characters what they need to know for the future situations. That would be a little to deus ex machina for me, I think.

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Alright, what the hell? They make such a big deal out of the direwolves early but they just die off in meaningless fashion.

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No, they really didn't. Cracks me up everyone getting pissed about it. Summer had like maybe fifteen minutes of screen time in six seasons. Most people who didn't read the books (see more people than did) probably don't even remember the damn things name. Yet everyone's complaining it didn't get a good enough send off.

I doubt hardly any non-book readers care about Summer. They're all #holdthedoor after that episode, as they should be. That **** was powerful.

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This is the book thread, jackass. In this thread, we love the direwolves, and they were made out to be a big deal with their connection to the Stark children.

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Exactly. In the first book, when Ned kills lady, he worries that he's offended the old gods because the wolves were obviously sent by them.

Lady Stark comes to realize the same thing after Summer saves Bran's life from the assassin. Then when Rob leaves Grey Wind outside because "he scares Jane," she gets pretty upset about it too.

Bad things happen to Starks without wolves...

On the face of things, the 3 Eyed Raven has only been waiting for Bran since his fall "unlocked" his powers. That allowed the 3 Eyed Raven to communicate with him.

Maybe I misunderstood.....did he refer her to the Tullys because she said she didn't want the Knights of the Vale?

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Maybe I misunderstood.....did he refer her to the Tullys because she said she didn't want the Knights of the Vale?

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Who knows. He might have done it to seem like he still wants to help her (which he might), or in true Littlefinger fashion, he is manipulating her into something that results in him achieving in his own goal. Hell, we don't even know if he was telling the truth.

I think one thing is certain, just b/c Sansa told him no thanks, he isn't about to give up the chance to capture Winterfell when he has an army at his command.

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Then shouldn't he have known that Bran was going to bring the Night's King into the tree hollow?

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How do you know he didnt? It reminded me of the oracle/smith conversation from the matrix. "If you can see everything why are you still here? You either chose to be here or you must (existentially) be here."


If you can see your own death, and all the mysteries of the universe, why would you want to stop mortal death?

Here's the big question regarding the TERs motivation. The child asks the TER if Bran is ready and he says no he isnt. If you had mere moments to live to pass on the most important info in the world, why would he be showing him Hodors seizure?

Not only that, we learn that Bran doesn't need to be holding onto the weirwood to greensee. Bran is a sapling, no longer a seed.

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Here's the big question regarding the TERs motivation. The child asks the TER if Bran is ready and he says no he isnt. If you had mere moments to live to pass on the most important info in the world, why would he be showing him Hodors seizure?

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I've been struggling with this since the show ended. "It's time for you to become me" and then BOOM, the courtyard at Winterfell......."don't start a fight, but if you're in one, end it"......why?

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C) Bran's ability to affect Willis (Pre-Hodor) in the past is a total departure from what TER has said in the past, that the past is unable to be affected.

The biggest reveal (IMO) of the whole scene is that Bran is strong enough in his abilities to affect the past from him Warging into Willis and "creating" Hodor.

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Does Bran really affect the past? b/c Hodor has always been Hodor as far as Bran was concerned. Is this like Battlestar Galactica where everything has already happened and will happen again?

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I think whatever power the TER had, Bran now possesses. The most important power is becoming a 4th diminsional being.

The TER didn't reprimand Bran for shouting "father", he fussed at him for staying in that timecoordinate too long. The final lesson wasn't grandads words, but hodors seizing. Bran has stepped into the role of the Oracle who sees things outside the realm of time. Which means he will know exactly what to do, once he has the vision of the future.

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Alright so here is my theory on Benjen Stark and building off of what we've seen what Bran did with Hodor in the past and how it impacted him in the present and vice versa...

I think he's got to be the one that meets up with Bran and Meera. They've got to have help, why not have it be Benjen Stark. So I'm thinking that maybe Bran will go in a vision and tell him. He'll tell Benjen that he's going to need his help north of the wall. I don't know if Bran knows exactly where he is now but I think he's gonna somehow communicate it to Benjen where he is and when he'll need the help. Probably has this happen in the past pretty long ago, around the time of Lyanna's death and Ned's return to Winterfell. This explains why Benjen ended up taking the black in the first place (because he literally heard a voice calling for him to do so in order to save the world, so to speak). Benjen probably didn't say anything about it cause he would likely be deemed crazy, but maybe he's just been waiting for Bran or looking for him north of the wall (just like the TER was). So thinking that benjen is gonna be the one that helps Meera and Bran. I think it's obvious that they're gonna need outside since Summer and Hodor are now both gone, and who better than the guy that's been lost up there since the first season/book and was first ranger.

Also sets up the idea that Bran and Meera could bump into Benjen even before Bran asks him for help in the present. Like with Hodor, it appears that what ever Bran does in the present (and even future) has already happened in the past. So they could run into Benjen and he may even tell them, I have been waiting for yall because I heard a voice a long time. This could be when Bran realizes that he can indeed communicate with people back in past through his visions. Also allows for Bran to know exactly where to tell him since Benjen knows the area better than anyone.

Side note... Also, wondering if bran can no longer go south of the wall because he's been touched. They say the wall can keep out the wight walkers because of magic or whatever. But that was broken in the cave after he was touched. So wondering if he can now no longer go south of the wall because of this and will have to stay north. And in doing so he probably will become just like the old man in the tree.

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I think this is totally plausible and it would be awesome.

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After thinking about it, I think I finally made sense of what happened with Bran/Hodor.

Bran didn't warg into past Hodor at Winterfell, but he essentially made past Hodor warg into present Hodor. He sent the young Hodor's consciousness into old Hodor, so the Hodor that was holding the door was essentially the young, "smart" Hodor, and once he died, the young body was left mindless for the rest of his life.

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Was old hodor saying "hold the door"?

See I don't think there is reasoning behind the mindswitch. Why not merely have wyllis keep his brain and be bran's protector anyway? There is no reason for putting wyllis' functioning brain into "10 secs till death" hodors head. It's a waste and unnecessary. Unless you are saying the transfer was a necessary move by Bran before bran existed, back to predeterminism.

Yep. The only part I think is wrong is benjen explaining himself. "The (old) gods want me there." Is a perfectly acceptable excuse. Many interpret that as "Ned has 3 sons, the starks are fine" but starks have been manning the wall (in black) for centuries.

If the old gods want him, Ned who spends all his time at the weirwood talking to the tree, would certainly understand.

I believe mindless Hodor would've probably gotten scared and ran away from the door. But in those last moments of his life, I believe his young consciousness took over his boody, and maybe he finally understood his purpose was to hold that door as long as possible. I think young Hodor was shouting "hold the door" to his future self, to keep himself at that door. Once he died, his mind was gone and he was left as a mindless body.

My theory on Benjen is that he's been following the WW so that when they get ready to make their move on the wall, he can go ahead to warn them. That's the only reason I can think of that he wouldn't have made his way back down South. This would put him in a position to see Bran and Meera leave the tree and he can go offer his help.

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Yep. The only part I think is wrong is benjen explaining himself. "The (old) gods want me there." Is a perfectly acceptable excuse. Many interpret that as "Ned has 3 sons, the starks are fine" but starks have been manning the wall (in black) for centuries.

If the old gods want him, Ned who spends all his time at the weirwood talking to the tree, would certainly understand.

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Maybe he had could have even told Ned. I agree, I believe he probably would have even. And like you said, Ned would have seen no problems or judgement with it at all. I do believe it would be an interesting explanation for Benjen's plot and how and why he took the Black, as well as his return to the story.

Bran first warged into Hodor when they were hiding in the abandoned castle but now we know that's not the first time Hodor was warged into. That may be one reason Bran was able to warg Hodor so early in the development of his talent. He had already done that to Hodor in the past.

I also think varamir six skins or a wildling skin changer says that warning into other humans is bad/unacceptable/taboo.

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I also prefer mustard on my fries over ketchup.

Just saying...

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Damn right!

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Bran first warged into Hodor when they were hiding in the abandoned castle but now we know that's not the first time Hodor was warged into. That may be one reason Bran was able to warg Hodor so early in the development of his talent. He had already done that to Hodor in the past.

I also think varamir six skins or a wildling skin changer says that warning into other humans is bad/unacceptable/taboo.

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This is something that's got me questioning Bran's abilities and what all he'd be capable of. Because when he first warged into Hodor in that tower, it was kind of appeared as well he did it because Hodor is a halfwit. It was still looked upon as a power that no one else had though. But if he also warged into Wyllis while he was seemingly normal in the vision, does that mean Bran has the ability to do it to anyone?

I think thats proof that Bran is becoming whatever the TER anticipated.

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Seemed to me that is exactly what happened and a lot of people may be over thinking it.

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perhaps.

But there are a select few Masters students that are allowed to analyze the GRRM manuscripts and notes at TAMU. One of the most complicated parts is the westerosi religions.

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Here's a map of where everything is. Kings road isn't that far from the Twins, at least close enough for scouts or something to be aware of things. Have to think the Freys would be like "Uh, where's that big ass army from the Vale going?"

Then, they go through the Neck. Does LF stop on the way and talk to the Crannogmen and say, "yeah we're just going up to fight Ramsay Bolton."

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I am assuming the army of the Vale sailed up to Moat Cailin. That way avoids the Freys.

Bu then the show does not read a map...last week Littlefinger claimed he was ambushed by the Boltons while taking Sansa from the Eeyrie to the Fingers...unless the Boltons got a fleet we have not heard about..that is not likely to happen

It still takes a while to raise and army and get them on ships.

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Here's a map of where everything is. Kings road isn't that far from the Twins, at least close enough for scouts or something to be aware of things. Have to think the Freys would be like "Uh, where's that big ass army from the Vale going?"

Then, they go through the Neck. Does LF stop on the way and talk to the Crannogmen and say, "yeah we're just going up to fight Ramsay Bolton."

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I am assuming the army of the Vale sailed up to Moat Cailin. That way avoids the Freys.

Bu then the show does not read a map...last week Littlefinger claimed he was ambushed by the Boltons while taking Sansa from the Eeyrie to the Fingers...unless the Boltons got a fleet we have not heard about..that is not likely to happen

It still takes a while to raise and army and get them on ships.

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But we know that ambush was just a bull**** excuse on why he turned over Sansa. The Lords of the Vale would definitely not follow if they knew the truth.

And as far as Summer's demise, I didn't like it. IMO, would have been a lot cooler to have Meera pulling the sled with Summer at her side. But, I think it was part of a bigger picture to emphasize that Bran, Meera, Summer, Sh**** Dog, Rickon, Osha, Jojen, and Hodor all headed north together and all that is left now is Bran and Meera and Rickon as a prisoner at Winterfell. So much sacrifice for Bran. Now I admit, I still don't have any theories for what role Bran plays in the final game but I think they are setting it up to be significant.

Also, lols for those that said LF would end up marrying Sansa. Here is my theory on that whole dynamic. Things are going to go badly for the Jon/Sansa/Wildling/etc coalition against the Bolton's. LF is going to ride in with the Vale's army and save the day. In the aftermath, instead of welcoming LF for helping defeat the Bolton's, she is going to inform Royce, Robert Arryn, and the other Vale lords that LF plotted this all along, killed her aunt, and set himself up as the Warden of East, and that he also plotted with the Lannisters to marry her off to Ramsay, believing this chain of events would unfold this way, and that he then planned to marry her and hold both the North and the East. She'll also tell Robert that ultimately he would have killed you too when the time was right. LF will be sentenced to death by Robert but somehow he will either be exiled or escape, only to show up towards the end of the series for some last shot at the GOT, only to die screaming this time.

I think it speaks to the possibility that if you warg a man you break his mind permanently. The books state that the man bonds the animals he wargs. Bran bonded Wylas, broke him, and created Hodor.

Question about the new priestess:

(1) Tyrion says they need to bring a PR rep for Dany to make sure the locals still love her. Presumably, he recalls that when he was in Volantis (in Season 5) with Varys before Jorah snatched him, he saw a local red priestess preaching to a pretty strong throng about Dany being the chosen one.

(2) A red priestess shows up. She mentions something in passing about seeing Tryion on the bridge in Volantis. I seem to recall the red priestess in Season 5 looking up and directly at Tryion, causing him to move along to the ***** house or whatever.

Given GOT's propensity to change actors without much regard to their appearance when they show up later in the series, is this new red priestess supposed to be the same red priestess Tyrion previously saw? Cause the other lady was east asian.

If not, did Tyrion just send word to call in the top red priestess in the world?

Also, if she's not the same priestess, then I guess that means she knows everything the other priestesses have seen or done. I suppose that's not a stretch since she knows about Varys' little smokie. However, do we know if Varys' "half-rate sorcerer" was a Lord of Light acolyte?

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Chaos isn't a pit.
Chaos is a ladder.
Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again.
The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm or the gods or love.
Illusions.
Only the ladder is real.
The climb is all there is.

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Littlefinger is a pure political operative. All his decisions have been and will continue to be self serving. He's probably the most unchanging consistent character in ASOIAF books or show.

Seems to me like TER showed Bran that scene because he needed him to understand his powers and the consequences of those powers. He told Bran to listen to his friends in the tree hollow because it would make Bran warg into the Hodor from his greensee (or whatever it was called) and save them.

Bran, in a greensee, hears Meera in the present, wargs into Hodor in the present from the greensee, presumably telling him to race out and then hold the door by controlling his mind, and the consequence is that it blisters past Hodor's mind.

I don't know. Could be reading that scene all wrong.

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And as far as Summer's demise, I didn't like it. IMO, would have been a lot cooler to have Meera pulling the sled with Summer at her side. But, I think it was part of a bigger picture to emphasize that Bran, Meera, Summer, Sh**** Dog, Rickon, Osha, Jojen, and Hodor all headed north together and all that is left now is Bran and Meera and Rickon as a prisoner at Winterfell. So much sacrifice for Bran.

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I think it was meant to cut CGI costs.

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I think you're probably right damnit.

The WA DOT twitter account is all sorts of awesome, reporting issues and whatnot. But the team running it also throws in lots of humor and other references.

Like this:

So, Arya lied to the faceless man and got away with it, right? She told him that she would poison the rum because only the actress drank it, but clearly both the actress and fake tyrion drank the rum. I'm not certain cause I was still shocked by fake sansa's funyuns.