What did jaqen ask arya? Do only the wicked die?
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Yes I believe so. I always go back and watch the show again on Monday and then watch the HBO after the show segment
Great episode.
Didnt like the wights becoming zombies like the world war z movie instead of slower walking dead types. Climbing on the ceilings like rats? C'mon.
It didn't seem like Hodor's death is going to buy Bran Meera and Bran enough time. A White Walker should be able to ride them down easily.... Unless they get rescued by Coldhands or some other good character north of the wall. (Benjen Stark?)
Didnt like the wights becoming zombies like the world war z movie instead of slower walking dead types. Climbing on the ceilings like rats? C'mon.
It didn't seem like Hodor's death is going to buy Bran Meera and Bran enough time. A White Walker should be able to ride them down easily.... Unless they get rescued by Coldhands or some other good character north of the wall. (Benjen Stark?)
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Great episode.
Didnt like the wights becoming zombies like the world war z movie instead of slower walking dead types. Climbing on the ceilings like rats? C'mon.
It didn't seem like Hodor's death is going to buy Bran Meera and Bran enough time. A White Walker should be able to ride them down easily.... Unless they get rescued by Coldhands or some other good character north of the wall. (Benjen Stark?)
Agree on both points. I found the climbing on the ceiling stuff pretty unnecessary. And also thought bran and meera getting a 90 second head start when meera is pulling a sled is probably not nearly big enough a head start unless they find a great hiding place or like you said, someone saves them...
I agree as well. I think it has to be Benjen. He is the one who started Jon's whole journey, and with Jon heading down south, Bran and Meera seem like the last people who could logically run into them. Although GRRM could be LOSTing us with that one.
So, could we be getting a Brienne and Jamie meet-up similiar to the books?
Brienne is headed to Riverrun and from the previews it looks like the climax between the Lannisters and High Sparrow is coming. This could free Jamie to head to Riverrun to deal with the army that Blackfish has put together.
Brienne is headed to Riverrun and from the previews it looks like the climax between the Lannisters and High Sparrow is coming. This could free Jamie to head to Riverrun to deal with the army that Blackfish has put together.
quote:Maybe a hundred yards past the door is a real nice slope.quote:
Great episode.
Didnt like the wights becoming zombies like the world war z movie instead of slower walking dead types. Climbing on the ceilings like rats? C'mon.
It didn't seem like Hodor's death is going to buy Bran Meera and Bran enough time. A White Walker should be able to ride them down easily.... Unless they get rescued by Coldhands or some other good character north of the wall. (Benjen Stark?)
Agree on both points. I found the climbing on the ceiling stuff pretty unnecessary. And also thought bran and meera getting a 90 second head start when meera is pulling a sled is probably not nearly big enough a head start unless they find a great hiding place or like you said, someone saves them...
quote:The passage of time and distances traveled in this show are distracting to me. I'm sure most don't really care, but damn, how long has Sansa been hanging out in Castle Black? Ramsay has done nothing in the entire time LF took the army of the Vale to Moat Cailin? Oh, and then he goes all the way to Mole's town? That alone is like a month.quote:They have westerosi transporters..so Brienne will be in Riverrun in two episodes. And the Iron Fleet will reach Mereen by the last episode of the season.
How long does it take to gather the forces of the Vale and march to Moat Cailin then to Mole's Hill or whatever? Maybe they should have had that Littlefinger scene in the Vale last season instead of last week?
Do they have to pass through the Twins to get to Riverrun and will we get a scene with the Freys this season?
By the way, they don't have to go through the Twins, but it seems pretty risky to just be traveling the King's road with Boltons, Freys and Lannisters controlling so much of that area. I guess we are supposed to just ignore the geography in the show.
Here's a map of where everything is. Kings road isn't that far from the Twins, at least close enough for scouts or something to be aware of things. Have to think the Freys would be like "Uh, where's that big ass army from the Vale going?"
Then, they go through the Neck. Does LF stop on the way and talk to the Crannogmen and say, "yeah we're just going up to fight Ramsay Bolton."
Then, they go through the Neck. Does LF stop on the way and talk to the Crannogmen and say, "yeah we're just going up to fight Ramsay Bolton."
As pointless as Summer's death was, there might have been heavy symbolism there. Summer is gone. Winter is here
0% chance Littlefinger leads the Vale in support of the Starks now that Sansa read him the riot act, right? If he thought he could maneuver Sansa into becoming the Warden of the North with Sansa at his side, you have to think he's going to pivot and try and lure Jon Snow to his death or something to open up the position.
I still think Sansa is getting too bold, too fast. I have a bad feeling something is going to go wrong for her.
quote:According to the synopsis on HBO's website, Bran wargs into present day Hodor, and young Wilis is somehow affected b/c Bran is currently sightseeing in the past.
I'm pretty sure Bran didn't warg into present Hodor, but rather warged into past hodor, which either unlocked/transferred Hodor's original conscious back to present time and had the ability to save bran and meera in that moment. Bran doesn't have a clue what is going on except that he warged into past Hodor due to hearing Meera's voice.
He was the link between present and past hodor
quote:The younger version in Bran's vision isn't terrified until after he collapses.
Meera yells for the panicking Hodor to get Bran onto the sledge. Faintly hearing Meera's pleas for help even in the past, Bran wargs into a terrified Hodor, who pulls the motionless boy through the tunnels alongside Meera, chased by wights from all sides
A) After TER tells Bran he needs to listen to his friends while in the courtyard at Winterfell, you see present day Hodor's eyes go WARG. Bran does WARG into him in order to get things moving.
B) Bran is still in the past winterfell AND in Hodor at the same time by the timing of the scenes.
C) Bran's ability to affect Willis (Pre-Hodor) in the past is a total departure from what TER has said in the past, that the past is unable to be affected.
The biggest reveal (IMO) of the whole scene is that Bran is strong enough in his abilities to affect the past from him Warging into Willis and "creating" Hodor.
Also, I think that both in the book and on the show, the loyalty of Meera (and Jojen) Reed is hugely understated. They pledge loyalty in the court of Winterfell and never look back. Meera has soft spot in my heart, which truly means her time is probably coming to and end because.....
Valar morghulis, this goes for you too Hodor.
B) Bran is still in the past winterfell AND in Hodor at the same time by the timing of the scenes.
C) Bran's ability to affect Willis (Pre-Hodor) in the past is a total departure from what TER has said in the past, that the past is unable to be affected.
The biggest reveal (IMO) of the whole scene is that Bran is strong enough in his abilities to affect the past from him Warging into Willis and "creating" Hodor.
Also, I think that both in the book and on the show, the loyalty of Meera (and Jojen) Reed is hugely understated. They pledge loyalty in the court of Winterfell and never look back. Meera has soft spot in my heart, which truly means her time is probably coming to and end because.....
Valar morghulis, this goes for you too Hodor.
quote:Does Bran really affect the past? b/c Hodor has always been Hodor as far as Bran was concerned. Is this like Battlestar Galactica where everything has already happened and will happen again?
C) Bran's ability to affect Willis (Pre-Hodor) in the past is a total departure from what TER has said in the past, that the past is unable to be affected.
The biggest reveal (IMO) of the whole scene is that Bran is strong enough in his abilities to affect the past from him Warging into Willis and "creating" Hodor.
I think LF's days are numbered. With that stated, he'll probably slink to the end bc that's what worms do. I have always thought LF was annoying. #LFrantover
I thought episode 1 was the best episode to date until episode 2, until episode 3, until episode 4, until episode 5. This season has been GOAT and we are only halfway through!
Hodor, ...here!
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With who littlefinger is, and has been all throughout the show, I think if he really didn't know what ramsay would do to Sansa, then the show writers have really messed up his character.
I don't think he envisioned Sansa escaping and ending up at the wall, but there's no way he wouldn't know ramsay would completely subjugate Sansa.
I don't think he envisioned Sansa escaping and ending up at the wall, but there's no way he wouldn't know ramsay would completely subjugate Sansa.
I would tend to agree with this, but in the interview that the actor did, he pretty much came out and said that LF didn't know (which is weird). I think he knew Ramsay was different/rough, but didn't realize to what extent he would take it.
quote:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&page=2#comment-1236249
Posted 20 Feb 2008
The poor guy is just asking someone to hold the door for him, since he's always carrying someone else around. After a while, "Hold the door" became "Hold the doorHold the doorHoldoorHodoor. Dammit! Hold the door!" His mind finally snapped, and now all he can say is Hodor.
This goes along with my theory of why men will never create time travel (at least not in my lifetime)...
Because I have not come back to tell myself how to do it.
Because I have not come back to tell myself how to do it.
quote:Agreed. I also think he knew. He had that little wry smile going on when trying to say he didn't know. He knew. He just didn't realize Sansa was gonna blow him up over it. He thought he'd still be seen as the protector.
I think LF's days are numbered. With that stated, he'll probably slink to the end bc that's what worms do. I have always thought LF was annoying. #LFrantover
quote:It'll never happen. She's a Stark, and a main character. That means she's off limits. They'd never kill her off. She's definitely coming out on top.
I still think Sansa is getting too bold, too fast. I have a bad feeling something is going to go wrong for her.
In the 2002 Time machine movie. The main character invented the time machine to go save his wife that had died in the past. When he succeeded in the machine and went back and saved her, she kept dieing a different way after that. The point was that the reason he invented the time machine was because she died. If she didn't die he wouldn't have invented it so it wouldn't have existed.
Same here, I don't think Bran will be able to make large changes that would affect his perception of the timeline. I.e he can't go back and make Hodor normal now since it would change his view of everything. He was actually making the past correct here. I also don't think he could say go change the fact that he fell or get Jaime killed somehow. What I do think he can do is affect the past in some way that affects his future. What that is I don't know but my opinion.
Same here, I don't think Bran will be able to make large changes that would affect his perception of the timeline. I.e he can't go back and make Hodor normal now since it would change his view of everything. He was actually making the past correct here. I also don't think he could say go change the fact that he fell or get Jaime killed somehow. What I do think he can do is affect the past in some way that affects his future. What that is I don't know but my opinion.
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**** man, that got me right in the feels. First Summer, and then Hodor. *******it....just thinking about "Holdthedoor!" gets me emotional this morning.
RIP Hodor
RIP Hodor
In the other thread I mentioned the probability of predeterminism in the story. To the TER, a 4th dimensional being, he sees the past and the future as things that have already happened, all past tense.
Meaning, before Bran even existed, his arrival at the tree (apprenticeship) and seizing young hodor already occurred. It is set, there is no agency, only playing the role determined before your own existence.
Notice the TER told bran he has been waiting for him, not "someone." He knew Bran and only Bran would fill this role. He knew Bran was marked by the nightking, without bran revealing it and HE WAS COOL(CALM) WITH IT. He has seen all this. It's the nature of an oracle.
Meaning, before Bran even existed, his arrival at the tree (apprenticeship) and seizing young hodor already occurred. It is set, there is no agency, only playing the role determined before your own existence.
Notice the TER told bran he has been waiting for him, not "someone." He knew Bran and only Bran would fill this role. He knew Bran was marked by the nightking, without bran revealing it and HE WAS COOL(CALM) WITH IT. He has seen all this. It's the nature of an oracle.
How can anyone find Littlefinger annoying?? He is one of the most cunning, intelligent and manipulative characters in this series (most especially book LF). He literally went from nothing/getting beat up by Brandon Stark to becoming a part of the small council... To now being the lord of Harranhal and the Vale. Damn. How can anyone not respect that?? He's so cocky he even made his own sigil lol gotta give the guy mad props. I truly think he underestimated Ramsay, and will now try to make up for it. The Vale will never side with Ramsay. And again, LF is still manipulating the crap out of Sansa by dropping the "Jon is only your HALF brother" which seems like it changed her course. He's got game.
Edit: I know he's technically not the lord of the Vale, but he's its puppet master... So he's basically the lord of the Vale.
Edit: I know he's technically not the lord of the Vale, but he's its puppet master... So he's basically the lord of the Vale.
Alright so here is my theory on Benjen Stark and building off of what we've seen what Bran did with Hodor in the past and how it impacted him in the present and vice versa...
I think he's got to be the one that meets up with Bran and Meera. They've got to have help, why not have it be Benjen Stark. So I'm thinking that maybe Bran will go in a vision and tell him. He'll tell Benjen that he's going to need his help north of the wall. I don't know if Bran knows exactly where he is now but I think he's gonna somehow communicate it to Benjen where he is and when he'll need the help. Probably has this happen in the past pretty long ago, around the time of Lyanna's death and Ned's return to Winterfell. This explains why Benjen ended up taking the black in the first place (because he literally heard a voice calling for him to do so in order to save the world, so to speak). Benjen probably didn't say anything about it cause he would likely be deemed crazy, but maybe he's just been waiting for Bran or looking for him north of the wall (just like the TER was). So thinking that benjen is gonna be the one that helps Meera and Bran. I think it's obvious that they're gonna need outside since Summer and Hodor are now both gone, and who better than the guy that's been lost up there since the first season/book and was first ranger.
Also sets up the idea that Bran and Meera could bump into Benjen even before Bran asks him for help in the present. Like with Hodor, it appears that what ever Bran does in the present (and even future) has already happened in the past. So they could run into Benjen and he may even tell them, I have been waiting for yall because I heard a voice a long time. This could be when Bran realizes that he can indeed communicate with people back in past through his visions. Also allows for Bran to know exactly where to tell him since Benjen knows the area better than anyone.
Side note... Also, wondering if bran can no longer go south of the wall because he's been touched. They say the wall can keep out the wight walkers because of magic or whatever. But that was broken in the cave after he was touched. So wondering if he can now no longer go south of the wall because of this and will have to stay north. And in doing so he probably will become just like the old man in the tree.
I think he's got to be the one that meets up with Bran and Meera. They've got to have help, why not have it be Benjen Stark. So I'm thinking that maybe Bran will go in a vision and tell him. He'll tell Benjen that he's going to need his help north of the wall. I don't know if Bran knows exactly where he is now but I think he's gonna somehow communicate it to Benjen where he is and when he'll need the help. Probably has this happen in the past pretty long ago, around the time of Lyanna's death and Ned's return to Winterfell. This explains why Benjen ended up taking the black in the first place (because he literally heard a voice calling for him to do so in order to save the world, so to speak). Benjen probably didn't say anything about it cause he would likely be deemed crazy, but maybe he's just been waiting for Bran or looking for him north of the wall (just like the TER was). So thinking that benjen is gonna be the one that helps Meera and Bran. I think it's obvious that they're gonna need outside since Summer and Hodor are now both gone, and who better than the guy that's been lost up there since the first season/book and was first ranger.
Also sets up the idea that Bran and Meera could bump into Benjen even before Bran asks him for help in the present. Like with Hodor, it appears that what ever Bran does in the present (and even future) has already happened in the past. So they could run into Benjen and he may even tell them, I have been waiting for yall because I heard a voice a long time. This could be when Bran realizes that he can indeed communicate with people back in past through his visions. Also allows for Bran to know exactly where to tell him since Benjen knows the area better than anyone.
Side note... Also, wondering if bran can no longer go south of the wall because he's been touched. They say the wall can keep out the wight walkers because of magic or whatever. But that was broken in the cave after he was touched. So wondering if he can now no longer go south of the wall because of this and will have to stay north. And in doing so he probably will become just like the old man in the tree.
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As pointless as Summer's death was, there might have been heavy symbolism there. Summer is gone. Winter is here
Sh****dog dies, the show gets sharp.
Lady dies, Sansa is no longer a lady.
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Edit: I know he's technically not the lord of the Vale, but he's its puppet master... So he's basically the lord of the Vale.
Legally he is Warden of the East. That was his deal with tywin iirc, he got to marry lysa tully-arryn and got the legal title of warden.
quote:I just can't see this being the last we see of Jorah. I think he is certainly still doomed to die, but I could see his quest for a cure serving a different purpose. Perhaps he travels to Asshai and finds out something else about dragons, WW, etc. Someone better effing go to Asshai in this series after all of the stuff they have said about it. I thought it would be Dany based on book stuff, but it's starting to seem less likely.quote:Supposed to treat it in Vinegar. Which is sort of what Jon Connington is trying to do. I assume Ser Friendzone is done with the show.
Speaking of Jorah, would they give him the burnt hand like Victarion? That's the only "cure" I could think of to keep him around, cause otherwise that was a lame end for him
I see him pulling off a Han Solo - Death Star type scenario. Just gotta figure out who is Darth Vader.
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In the other thread I mentioned the probability of predeterminism in the story. To the TER, a 4th dimensional being, he sees the past and the future as things that have already happened, all past tense.
Meaning, before Bran even existed, his arrival at the tree (apprenticeship) and seizing young hodor already occurred. It is set, there is no agency, only playing the role determined before your own existence.
Notice the TER told bran he has been waiting for him, not "someone." He knew Bran and only Bran would fill this role. He knew Bran was marked by the nightking, without bran revealing it and HE WAS COOL(CALM) WITH IT. He has seen all this. It's the nature of an oracle.
Then shouldn't he have known that Bran was going to bring the Night's King into the tree hollow?
quote:The Jon-Sansa tension they are trying to develop is definitely interesting. I think LF has to stay loyal (or what serves as loyalty for him) to Sansa to keep the Vale happy though. He can't really justify turning on Sansa now after his big pitch to get the Vale mobilized is solely based on supporting her. That being said, you know he is going to do something. Perhaps he will redeem himself to Sansa enough for her to at least be on somewhat better terms with him. Maybe the Frey's interject themselves in the Brienne-Tully situation, and the Vale clears the way for them to continue north. Maybe the fight at Winterfell is going south for the Stark alliance but LF defies Sansa and shows up anyway to support their side and save them from the brink of destruction.
How can anyone find Littlefinger annoying?? He is one of the most cunning, intelligent and manipulative characters in this series (most especially book LF). He literally went from nothing/getting beat up by Brandon Stark to becoming a part of the small council... To now being the lord of Harranhal and the Vale. Damn. How can anyone not respect that?? He's so cocky he even made his own sigil lol gotta give the guy mad props. I truly think he underestimated Ramsay, and will now try to make up for it. The Vale will never side with Ramsay. And again, LF is still manipulating the crap out of Sansa by dropping the "Jon is only your HALF brother" which seems like it changed her course. He's got game.
Edit: I know he's technically not the lord of the Vale, but he's its puppet master... So he's basically the lord of the Vale.
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