That is what I am saying as well.

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i don't think you have to know EVERYONEs names especially on the show only thread.

but DANY and TYRION and ARYA....three of the most central recurring characters????

I get not knowing Jorah from Barristan Selmy perhaps...or the various hardly seen or mentioned other northern families (umbers, karstarks) or the extended Greyjoy family, etc. But he was asking about the midget and dragon lady????

It is also hard to take the opinion of someone who knows nobody's names seriously when he is calling out the show (during a great season and lots of action) and offers only "this sucks" and the "fire was cheesy" comments.

anyway enough about him....moving on.

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He was a troll, you don't say Dragon Lady after six seasons.

Side bar.

Do you think the Lannisters, with info from Tommen are planning something more than taking out the High Sparrow and crew? What exactly was shared with Tommen and Cerci? That Margery was going to atone, or something else?
Lannisters always pay their debt and I don't see them teaming up with the Tyrells just to get rid of the faith. Something more is at play here.

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This is a question I have. Are we to assume that Tommen has had other conversations with the HS that weren't shown? Because I don't remember the conversation on the show being revealing of anything.

I didn't see Loras acting like that under torture having anything to do with him being gay.

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This might have been mentioned already, but the best part of last night's episode was far and away the long, extended eye-****ing brienne received from tormund

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Yes it was. Tormund is so damn awesome. Even Edd was looking at him like, "damn dude."

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So, does she have any interest in the biggest member north of the Wall? Inquiring minds, etc

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It is f-cked up. That's how the show portrays him, and the show relegated him to being just the gay guy. Not the viewers.

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See that's interesting because as someone who hasn't read the books and just binge watched all five seasons a few weeks ago, I just saw him being gay as a minor thing, but I'm not looking to be offended or compare to his character in a book. He's gay, he sleeps with men, and uses his sexuality to get what he wants, which, btw , isn't a gay thing only. He also schemed with Renly, founght bravely, almost got married to Cersi and then got busted with his sister to prove some ****ed up point of Cersi's and then it backfired on her.

I think ya'll are the ones who are so caught up in his gayness and thinking he's just been relegated as the 'gay guy' or somehow slighted. I didn't see it that way at all. I truly didn't.

Don't know if it has already been covered but I foresee Lancel killing Kevan rather than Varys' little birds.

Also liked that the kingsmoot is not totally out of the picture. I know it gets the most hate, but AFFC was a very satisfying read when I read it the second time.

I just wish the damn books would hurry up and get written.

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So is it safe to assume that Sansa and Jon know everything that has happened to each other? I believe this was hinted at during the conversation, but a few things that bothered me if this assumption is true about the dynamic of their new relationship:

1. If Jon truly knows everything that Ramsay did to Sansa, I feel like that would have been enough to decide to tear his head off. And the letter wouldn't have had to be what finally swayed him to do it.
2. If Sansa truly understands that Jon has been brought back to life, killed a white Walker and been an absolute bad ass the last couple of years, she should be in awe of her brother, realize that he special and that she needs him to take back the North. Not say something stupid like "I'll do it myself"....

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I think it's possible that Sansa didn't reveal all the stuff that happened, but who knows. Jon, probably wants vengeance against Ramsay, but he's come a long way from riding off in the middle of the night fueled by emotion.

As to Sansa, she's grown a lot as a character, but she's not immune to being stupid. I think it's possible the show is setting us up to see her get knocked down another peg. She's in too big a hurry to go back, after being so scared when she first escaped.

Loras also is a barber. He shaved Renly with peanut butter

Agreed. My point is that I preferred he was a gay character who was a warrior. The show has made it all about his gayness, and that's a shame.

It says books/spoilers allowed, but thought it was still about the show.


I've heard that about several characters from the book and show, but he's the one some are getting upset by, I guess cause he's gay and the slight is seen as worse somehow.

There's a guy in my office that has read all the books and loves the show. During my binge watching I'd come in the next day and discuss with him and he's constantly tell me well, this isn't in the show or they did that differently in the book. Especially with characters I didn't like and he'd tell me they were different in the book. We still discuss on Monday's now and I like the input but I still base my feelings on the show.

I just see more outrage because he's gay. I don't really differentiate them between straight people. They can be awful, tacky, weak, strong, noble, gallant, etc. just the same way. But if this argument was how he differed from the books more than him being a gay guy, okay. But it veered into gays always get shafted, with which I don't agree. I see being gay as just part of who someone is. And even then, I don't really care, it's their life.

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Agreed. My point is that I preferred he was a gay character who was a warrior. The show has made it all about his gayness, and that's a shame.

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And I didn't see it that way at all.

But, fine, I'll let it go and get back to the story.

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Agree.

Neither Brienne not Sansa are like "what, you were dead???? HOW ARE YOU ALIVE?"

Seems like the resurrection thing is being taken way too lightly by the show so far.

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He only died a few days ago. It takes weeks to ride from Winterfell to Castle Black. How could she know?

Nobody said that gays get shafted once. I just said they made him a shameful stereotype, and it was different from the books. You're the one who politicized it and went on a huge tangent.

Thing is, I agree with you. I'd prefer it not be about him being gay at all, and it was just an aspect of himself. Like the Loras in the books you didn't read.

Oh, I thought he told Cersi that the grandma killed Joeffry. My bad.

I was defending Tommon initially being young and innocent but now he's getting on my nerves, him dying might not be so bad now. I'm glad Jamie and Cersi are going behind his back to revenge the religious jerks.

I think this will also backfire on Cersi in some way, but if it kills the sparrows, it could be good.

Things are going so quickly that him explaining how he died and all that is just an assumption we are going to have to make. I'm sure the books will have a much deeper conversation with Sansa regarding his resurrection. Show has no time.

Our lives have sucked.

We shouldn't have left.

We are not safe.

We must get Wintrfell back.

Was that the secret? that grandma killed Joffrey?

I thought it was Margery's walk of atonement. If so, she immediately betrayed him.

I think a lot of people will die in the upcoming confrontation with the high sparrow. Probably Loras and Margery, Tommen will also be dead before the season ends.

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Nobody said that gays get shafted once. I just said they made him a shameful stereotype, and it was different from the books. You're the one who politicized it and went on a huge tangent.

Thing is, I agree with you. I'd prefer it not be about him being gay at all, and it was just an aspect of himself. Like the Loras in the books you didn't read.

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I get it now and I was probably a bit rude, I'm sorry. Got off on another issue, goes back to the Walking Dead complaints. I hope he survives the jail though. I'm glad Margery isn't falling for their crap, I thought for a minute last night she was. Funny how their relationship is kind-of mirroring Theon and Yara in that she's the strong one and he's weak now.

There were plenty of tidbits in conversation that should have made her ask about what happened.

When he gets handed Ramsay's letter and says "I'm not LC anymore. "

When he talks about how he fought and lost

Generally, how the rest of the people at castle black should be acting towards/around Jon

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Don't know if it has already been covered but I foresee Lancel killing Kevan rather than Varys' little birds.

Also liked that the kingsmoot is not totally out of the picture. I know it gets the most hate, but AFFC was a very satisfying read when I read it the second time.

I just wish the damn books would hurry up and get written.

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Agreed that AFFC is much better on the second read. But I literally read the first four books back to back so by the time you get to AFFC, after digesting the pure awesomeness that ASOS was, it felt like driving at 100 mph then slamming it in to reverse. Anyway........

SO the Kingsmoot. Having trouble seeing the significance of adding this back in to the series. What other role could it play other than to put the Ironborn's fleet in to play to return Dany and her army to Westeros? And if that really is the end game for this story line, seems like they could have just avoided burning the Mereen fleet. Especially when you consider that after last night, seems Dany is commanding more power than ever when she potentially marches back to Mereen with 100,000 screamers at her back.

No problem at all! Appreciate the apology.

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Agree.

Neither Brienne not Sansa are like "what, you were dead???? HOW ARE YOU ALIVE?"

Seems like the resurrection thing is being taken way too lightly by the show so far.

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Agreed. My wife was providing commentary last night and when Sansa was needling Jon to fight the Boltons she was all "beeotch, I was just raised from dead, tap the f***ing brakes"

I posted about that before. What was the point of having her gain possession of all the ships in Mereen, if you're just going to burn them 2 seasons later?

There is no telling what direction the show is going to take with Asha (Yara) and Theon. I doubt very much they have her winning the kingsmoot.