quote:I hear you on Theon, but look at it from his perspective. He was never really a Stark, and when his father is ****ting on him for not being a true Ironborn, what could he do? He was forced to pick a side, and yes, he picked the "wrong" side, but can you blame him for it?
F-ck Cersei and Theon for all time.
quote:0% chance Jon Snow would fight to protect Cersei...
All that being said; If it does come down to a Trail by 7 - I expect there to be some odd people involved, some surprises, and nobody comes out happy with the result!
Something like Jon Snow fighting for Cersei and dying after he wins from some fatal wound sounds about right.
quote:Agreed. In what world would Jon want to fight for the woman who let her son kill his "father", abuse his sister and whose family helped plot his brother's murder as well as kill loads of his friends.quote:0% chance Jon Snow would fight to protect Cersei...
All that being said; If it does come down to a Trail by 7 - I expect there to be some odd people involved, some surprises, and nobody comes out happy with the result!
Something like Jon Snow fighting for Cersei and dying after he wins from some fatal wound sounds about right.
quote:I thought Cersei told Joffrey to make Ned take the black. When he disobeyed her and killed him anyways she realized he was nuts.quote:Agreed. In what world would Jon want to fight for the woman who let her son kill his "father", abuse his sister and whose family helped plot his brother's murder as well as kill loads of his friends.quote:0% chance Jon Snow would fight to protect Cersei...
All that being said; If it does come down to a Trail by 7 - I expect there to be some odd people involved, some surprises, and nobody comes out happy with the result!
Something like Jon Snow fighting for Cersei and dying after he wins from some fatal wound sounds about right.
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Ooh, and I just remembered Howland Reed is the only person alive who knows who Jon Snow really is. Maybe he could help get him on the throne.
Suddenly I'm very intrigued by this.
How is Jon entitled to the throne? He is still illegitimate even if all his parents are known and noble.
quote:Jon won't see it that wayquote:I thought Cersei told Joffrey to make Ned take the black. When he disobeyed her and killed him anyways she realized he was nuts.quote:Agreed. In what world would Jon want to fight for the woman who let her son kill his "father", abuse his sister and whose family helped plot his brother's murder as well as kill loads of his friends.quote:0% chance Jon Snow would fight to protect Cersei...
All that being said; If it does come down to a Trail by 7 - I expect there to be some odd people involved, some surprises, and nobody comes out happy with the result!
Something like Jon Snow fighting for Cersei and dying after he wins from some fatal wound sounds about right.
Of course it has been lots of years since I read the first book. That may not have been how it went down.
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We dislike the Sparrows and the Faith Militant because Martin wants us to dislike them.
But why? They are humble servants of the Gods, who cast down a corrupt church hierarchy and expended much of the Faith's wealth to care for the poor and displaced.
quote:If the Faith of the Seven had not been engaging in the same practices BEFORE the Sparrow Coup, there would not be tower cells and dungeons in Baelor's Sept.quote:I don't hate them. How can you hate those who oppose the Lannister corruption? Their methods may be harsh at times, but no worse than most of that time.
We dislike the Sparrows and the Faith Militant because Martin wants us to dislike them.
But why? They are humble servants of the Gods, who cast down a corrupt church hierarchy and expended much of the Faith's wealth to care for the poor and displaced.
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Well, he'd have a better claim than a hell of a lot of others. Starting with Tommen.
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Can someone explain the Howland Reed / High Sparrow theory? Is there any evidence supporting that?
If true, was it all an elaborate plot for revenge for Ned Stark?
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Well, he'd have a better claim than a hell of a lot of others. Starting with Tommen.
Tommen is the head of house baratheon. With the pureblood targaryens killed and exiled, Robert actually had the best claim to the throne thanks to his mother or grandmother being a targaryen (this was kinda mentioned in s1). (You and I know Stannis was truly next in line, but joff and Tommen are the legal heirs).
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
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Well, he'd have a better claim than a hell of a lot of others. Starting with Tommen.
Tommen is the head of house baratheon. With the pureblood targaryens killed and exiled, Robert actually had the best claim to the throne thanks to his mother or grandmother being a targaryen (this was kinda mentioned in s1). (You and I know Stannis was truly next in line, but joff and Tommen are the legal heirs).
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
Again....NOT if Rhaegar married Lyanna. Entirely possible.
quote:Except bigamy isnt acceptable in the Faith. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell of Dorne and sired two kids. Any "marriage" to Lyanna still makes Jon illegit.
Again....NOT if Rhaegar married Lyanna. Entirely possible.
quote:Yes. Like Tommen.
Even if jon is a targ, he would still be a basturd.
quote:I have done it. It is awesome.
I am considering buying the full audiobook set and listening on my commute (40 minutes both ways). Has anyone on this board done that? Is it impossible to follow this complicated story if you are listening in the car?
Which by the way, its 198 hours to listen to all 5 books! Wow, even listening every day both ways it would still take me ~30 weeks.
quote:Ok, this is coming from a guy who loves the show but I have not read (or listened) to a fictional novel cover to cover in more than 10 years. I am not a reader, hence the idea to try the audio books which right now are on sale for $36 for all 5.quote:I have done it. It is awesome.
I am considering buying the full audiobook set and listening on my commute (40 minutes both ways). Has anyone on this board done that? Is it impossible to follow this complicated story if you are listening in the car?
Which by the way, its 198 hours to listen to all 5 books! Wow, even listening every day both ways it would still take me ~30 weeks.
quote:$36 for $5 is a nice deal. If you sign up for Audible I think they give you a free book (maybe more) for a certain # of days.quote:Ok, this is coming from a guy who loves the show but I have not read (or listened) to a fictional novel cover to cover in more than 10 years. I am not a reader, hence the idea to try the audio books which right now are on sale for $36 for all 5.quote:I have done it. It is awesome.
I am considering buying the full audiobook set and listening on my commute (40 minutes both ways). Has anyone on this board done that? Is it impossible to follow this complicated story if you are listening in the car?
Which by the way, its 198 hours to listen to all 5 books! Wow, even listening every day both ways it would still take me ~30 weeks.
quote:$34.99 actually. On iTunes. Here is what is included:
Where have you found them for $36? I just search and am not finding them for anything close to that.
quote:Ah...
That's the price for the ebooks (to read on iPad for example), not the audio books.
quote:Yeah, I'm not seeing a set of the audio books and each one ranges from $41 - $53 individually. They are available on Audible, but I haven't looked closely into how that works after the free trial. Obviously 30 days wouldn't be enough to get through them.
That's the price for the ebooks (to read on iPad for example), not the audio books.
