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For those interested, the IMAX ratio version of The Flash trailer (meaning a "taller," uncropped image) is now available at the link below. If you have VLC player, download any of the MKV versions, but if not just download the mp4 version...

https://thedigitaltheater.com/the-flash-2023/
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The person with long grey hair, facing the books away from the camera, is 99% likely to be Bruce Wayne.
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Will this be rated PG-13?

I'd love for more DC characters to cameo beyond the 2 Bats and Supergirl. Especially the lead from Arrow as a nod for being popular enough to launch the CW Arrow-verse as well as the Doom Patrol (with the expected f bomb from Cliff).

Will there be an Avengers Assemble moment beyond the Flashes, Bats, and Supergirl?
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Originally, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman also made cameos.

I'd have to think Grant Gustin (CW Flash) finds his way into this movie as well.
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Screening a blockbuster for theater owners, journalists, and critics two months before it premieres in theaters is basically the most confident flex there is. Paramount did roughly the same thing - premiering Top Gun: Maverick at CinemaCon last year, a month before it hit theaters - and look how that turned out...

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On the other end of that spectrum, I've been seeing multiple reports now about how poorly Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom test screenings are going. Not only have there apparently been walk-outs, but it's being called the worst DCEU movie ever, which is saying something (and honestly, isn't that surprising). These reports aren't from the Doomcocks of the internet either…
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TCTTS said:

On the other end of that spectrum, I've been seeing multiple reports now about how poorly Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom test screenings are going. Not only have there apparently been walk-outs, but it's being called the worst DCEU movie ever, which is saying something (and honestly, isn't that surprising). These reports aren't from the Doomcocks of the internet either…
Been wondering about that because I just don't think Aquaman is a good property. I'm not sure if it's because Aquaman has always been kind of a joke, if people simply can't relate to a world that takes place underwater...or what. But I've never cared about it. The only reason it got the attention that it did is because they put Momoa in the role who is fairly equally liked by men and women.

Having said that, I haven't seen Wakanda yet and I know Namor is in that. Don't know if they do any underwater stuff in that movie but maybe it's done better there, if they do.
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Fun thread…

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Somehow DC has screwed up yet another cameo in a movie by putting in the trailer for Shazaam 2.
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I don't think that was a screw up. The movie isn't tracking very well, so I think WB is getting desperate and doing everything it can to get butts in seats.
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I have a feeling this is going to be something special, and I can't wait.

(And then we get The Batman: Part II four months later, and then the first Star Ears movie in six years, two months after that.)
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Guess that explains why he didn't want to let Cavill have his own movie. He wants all the spotlight on his Superman movie.

Still don't understand why several Batmen can exist simultaneously and not Superman, but whatever.
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There *will* be multiple Superman. There's the Abrams/Coates black Superman likely coming as well.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Guess that explains why he didn't want to let Cavill has his own movie. He wants all the spotlight on his Superman movie.

Still don't understand why several Batmen can exist simultaneously and not Superman, but whatever.
Me and Spilner for the forseeable future as it regards to Superman without HC.

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I thought that was dead?

In that case, an even weirder choice then.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I thought that was dead?

In that case, an even weirder choice then.
I keep telling you guys, they already made that movie.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:


I'm glad to have you as my brother in bitterness about this. Because it's hard to imagine a better Superman that that or this scene.

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Cavill was good, but his movies were way too dark, brooding, and boring. They never, ever felt like Superman to me. And yet he still got a massive trilogy spanning essentially eight years. He had his time.

Now, we finally have the perfect writer/director, one who looks to be bringing the proper light, hope, optimism, tone (and color palette) to the character; a writer/director who has proven himself time and time again; a writer/director who always manages to find just the right amount of heart, empathy, and emotion in stories about outcasts set against fantastical backdrops (i.e. exactly what Clark's/Superman's story is).

And all you guys can do is lament the former?

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Yes. He got done dirty.

As for heart, empathy and emotion, Man of Steel had it in spades.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Yes. He got done dirty.

As for heart, empathy and emotion, Man of Steel had it in spades.


Where? Was it when Pa Kent committed suicide via tornado, which had zero effect on the plot, since Clark ended up becoming Superman anyway, and none of the things Pa was concerned about ended up happening, thus rendering his death pointless? I guess I did feel empathy for the people in Smallville when Superman got in a fight there and basically destroyed the town in the process, which, it turns out, was merely a warm up for destroying an entire metropolis a few days later, and saving almost no one in the process. That was very emotional for those people too, considering they lost everything, and clearly deserved a way better hero (not to mention, screenwriter) too.
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Put me in the skeptical camp.

I would not say Gunn is the perfect writer/director for this. He is good at irreverent. He has done the outcasts coming together to make a team movie (twice). He did a great job with those. Nothing in his body of work makes me think he is going to handle this material well. I will reserve judgement until I see the finished project, but I can think of 5-10 filmmakers off the top of my head that would be much better choices, IMHO.
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Batman v Superman and Justice League are not Superman movies. They are DC-executive brand horse manure.
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So because Gunn has only made good movies about [X], you doubt that he can make a good movie about [Y]?

My takeaway is that he just makes good movies, period.

Not to mention, loners/outcasts coming together isn't *that* different than a loner/outcast finding his place/calling in the world.

I would also argue that a Superman movie could finally use a bit of irreverent humor, given how dour and serious they've been for two decades now. Let's liven it up a bit, let's laugh again at a situation or two Clark finds himself in with Lois, and then let's use that humor to set up genuine, affecting emotion in the ways Gunn is so incredibly skilled at doing.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Batman v Superman and Justice League are not Superman movies. They are DC-executive brand horse manure.

That sucks. I guess Cavill will just have to live with being rich, famous, incredibly attractive, having a fruitful, ongoing career (due to playing Superman in the first place), which includes having played the villain in the best Mission: Impossible movie to date (and the best action movie of the century). Oh, and he'll also have to settle for having his pick of basically any woman he wants, from here on out. As Spilner said, he was definitely done dirty, and it's a tragedy what his life has become.
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TCTTS said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Yes. He got done dirty.

As for heart, empathy and emotion, Man of Steel had it in spades.


Where? Was it when Pa Kent committed suicide via tornado, which had zero effect on the plot, since Clark ended up becoming Superman anyway, and none of the things Pa was concerned about ended up happening, thus rendering his death pointless? I guess I did feel empathy for the people in Smallville when Superman got in a fight there and basically destroyed the town in the process, which, it turns out, was merely a warm up for destroying an entire metropolis a few days later, and saving almost no one in the process. That was very emotional for those people too, considering they lost everything, and clearly deserved a way better hero (not to mention, screenwriter) too.
It's not that he didn't want Clark to become Superman, it's that he was scared that the world would find out before Clark was ready, and thus tear him apart, or put him in a cage, or treat him like nothing more than a freak.

The heart and empathy and emotion all start when he shows Clark the spaceship and young Clark says, "Can't we just keep pretending I'm your son?" and Costner starts crying as he says, "You ARE my son."

The empathy is there when Clark restrains himself from beating up the bullies that mess with him at the fertilizer store. And the emotion is there when he saves the whole bus despite the one kid mocking him moments before.

It's there when Jor-El is willing to sacrifice his own life to give Clark a chance millions of miles away.

When Clark is seeking to escape from himself, but fate keeps intervening. The scene on the oil tanker is the very definition of what Superman is. Selfless and unstoppable.

When Zod threatens Hot Mrs. Kent, you get fantastic Superman RAGE and then he takes extreme pride in what his Earth parents taught him on how to control his senses when Zod loses his helmet and can't handle all the feedback.

I've said it before here. Superman is the hero I wish was real. He's not as cool as Batman or Ironman or Wolverine, but he's the guy we all could look up to and try to be more like (no offense to Jesus).


I really hope Gunn can give us something special. But when Superman is fighting Braniac's drone army while listening to "Dancing in the Moonlight" by Blue Harvest, don't say we didn't warn you.
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TCTTS said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Batman v Superman and Justice League are not Superman movies. They are DC-executive brand horse manure.

That sucks. I guess Cavill will just have to live with being rich, famous, incredibly attractive, having a fruitful, ongoing career (due to playing Superman in the first place), which includes having played the villain in the best Mission: Impossible movie to date (and the best action movie of the century). Oh, and he also has his pick of basically any woman he wants. As Spilner said, he was definitely done dirty, and it's a tragedy what his life has become.
I'm sad for Cavill, but I'm more sad for fans of Man of Steel like me and BES who missed out on what could have been with a real Superman trilogy
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I guess 7 billion isn't a lot.
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Well stated.
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I'm not arguing he has to be put in a filmmaking box, I'm saying that he doesn't seem like a fit for this particular property, and I would not say he is the "perfect writer/director" for it. And irreverent humor is one thing....but he hasn't made a movie that has the tone of sincerity that I think any Superman film has to have.

He could end up knocking it out of the park, but I'm not going to be hopeful of that until I see him do it.

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The Porkchop Express said:

TCTTS said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Yes. He got done dirty.

As for heart, empathy and emotion, Man of Steel had it in spades.


Where? Was it when Pa Kent committed suicide via tornado, which had zero effect on the plot, since Clark ended up becoming Superman anyway, and none of the things Pa was concerned about ended up happening, thus rendering his death pointless? I guess I did feel empathy for the people in Smallville when Superman got in a fight there and basically destroyed the town in the process, which, it turns out, was merely a warm up for destroying an entire metropolis a few days later, and saving almost no one in the process. That was very emotional for those people too, considering they lost everything, and clearly deserved a way better hero (not to mention, screenwriter) too.
It's not that he didn't want Clark to become Superman, it's that he was scared that the world would find out before Clark was ready, and thus tear him apart, or put him in a cage, or treat him like nothing more than a freak.

It was one of the dumbest deaths I've ever seen on screen. It would have made so much more sense for Jonathan to let Clark save him, then simply either ignore or explain away to the few people who would have actually seen Clark save him, as them being crazy or making sh*t up or whatever. Then, Jonathan could have continued to "protect"/guide Clark as an actual father is supposed to do, rather than being absent for the rest of his life/suicided via tornado. Especially after Clark had already used his powers in front of people in Smallville, and then continued to do so in the wake of Jonathan's death, hence Lois tracking down all those stories of a mystery hero saving people. The tornado thing, had Clark saved Jonathan, would have simply been another unprovable story in a series of unprovable stories.

The heart and empathy and emotion all start when he shows Clark the spaceship and young Clark says, "Can't we just keep pretending I'm your son?" and Costner starts crying as he says, "You ARE my son."

I'll give you that. Great moment.

The empathy is there when Clark restrains himself from beating up the bullies that mess with him at the fertilizer store. And the emotion is there when he saves the whole bus despite the one kid mocking him moments before.

Those were admittedly pretty good scenes too.

It's there when Jor-El is willing to sacrifice his own life to give Clark a chance millions of miles away.

Jor-El and everyone else on Krypton was about to die anyway. He sacrificed nothing, other than an extra day or two with his infant son.

When Clark is seeking to escape from himself, but fate keeps intervening. The scene on the oil tanker is the very definition of what Superman is. Selfless and unstoppable.

Good scene, but again, one that directly goes against the spirit of Jonathan's sacrifice, considering Clark still wasn't "ready" yet, whatever that means. In fact, nothing about Clark's character development ever signaled that was finally "ready" to be Superman. It needed that moment, yet it never came. Instead, he simply found the ship, tried on the suit, and then gave himself up to the military a few days later. I still can't believe that's how he was introduced to the world, after another alien (Zod) got the big reveal (to Earth) first. It would have been so much better to force Superman into a situation where he had to save people, thus revealing himself to the world in the process (Oh my gosh we're not alone.), everyone celebrates him (Dad was wrong!), only to THEN have Zod show up, and have everyone start questioning Superman/be pissed at him for bringing so much destruction, Superman's a freak, he doesn't belong here, etc (turns out, dad was right).

When Zod threatens Hot Mrs. Kent, you get fantastic Superman RAGE and then he takes extreme pride in what his Earth parents taught him on how to control his senses when Zod loses his helmet and can't handle all the feedback.

I mean I guess it's kind of cool that he's learned to control his senses, but that doesn't do much of anything to save his town. All Superman does in that sequence to "save" anyone is to tell them to "Get inside." Super fights with nothing but super punches and super rage are ultimately so damn boring. Superman actually having to physically save people *while* fighting Zod would have been so much better, and so much truer to his character. Yet we get none of that, not even in Metropolis.

I've said it before here. Superman is the hero I wish was real. He's not as cool as Batman or Ironman or Wolverine, but he's the guy we all could look up to and try to be more like (no offense to Jesus).

Agreed! But the Cavill version wasn't that person. While I think the Gunn version could very well be.

I really hope Gunn can give us something special. But when Superman is fighting Braniac's drone army while listening to "Dancing in the Moonlight" by Blue Harvest, don't say we didn't warn you.

Ha, I have faith that Gunn is smart enough not to simply make Guardian of the Galaxy.
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Uhhh. I thought James Gunn already produced his Superman movie.

Thanks and gig'em
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