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Saw "World War Z"......

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FAST FRED
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.....and I'll give it an "A" as a sci fi thriller/blockbuster, but just a "C+" or maybe a "B-," when considered simply as a zombie movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/

Spoilers ahead!!!!!


















I enjoyed it, I was well-entertained and Brad Pitt was very good; however, this big budget (200 million?) flick is much more like Steven Spielberg/Tom Cruise's decent remake of "War of the Worlds" than George A. Romero's seminal "The Night of the Living Dead" or his "Dawn of the Dead" or "Shaun of the Dead" or "Zombieland" or AMC's "The Walking Dead" on TV.

Those undead examples are gory, cannibalistic, horror fests.

They're very bloody, but leavened with tragic and sometimes just outrightly funny humor which often satirizes the situation and tries to balance the almost hopeless plight of the humans left to face the undead.

There's no dark comedy in "WWZ" and very, very, very little blood or gore is shown on screen.

No sex either.

The movie, however, is a thinking person's overview of zombie infection, much like Nicole Kidman/Daniel Craig's "The Invasion" was about about body snatchers or "District 9" was concerning aliens or Michael Crichton's "The Andromeda Strain" was to contamination from outer space.

These movies encouraged you to think, rather than just be horrified or simply scare-satisfied.

Different strokes.

Heck, as a fully blown zombie fan, you could take your thus far uninfected date or send fairly innocent teenagers to this one (or take your mom and dad or even your grandparents to it) without too much reservation, if they are willing or want to see a very scary, but not very bloody, zombie movie.

"Saving Private Ryan" was a whole lot more sanguine.

"WWZ" is much more, IMO, like a good action film adapted from a best-selling Tom Clancy book, if he ever wrote about zombies.

There's certainly copious amounts of frantic gunfire from ballistic weapons of all calibers, but a long-handled axe that Brad Pitt at one point chooses to carry (and Abe Lincoln recently wielded so well, splitting and beheading vampires) here finds its best use as a door stop in Wales.

It's a PG-13 rated film offering concerning the undead that, of course, contains plenty of scary stuff and its fair share of zombie mob scene violence, responded to with lots of human fear, desperation, bravery, our ability to observe, to think and to use our ingenuity; but actually there's really only about as much visible visceral sanguinuity and gross, bony or pulpy horror as found in 2011's "Rise of the Planet of the Apes."

That last ape sequel was a worthwhile addition to our film library, but it displayed more monkey business and more failed humanity than on screen blood and guts.

Just as in all the "Planet of the Apes" movies.

They made you think and are sci fi, not horror films.

Almost the entire shock and awe value of "World War Z" has already been revealed for free in the previews and there's not much more spectacle than that to be had seeing the whole thing.

The global scope (Philadelphia, PA to Camp Humphreys, South Korea and, lucky me, I've been to both places) of the zombie threat is what's new and emphasized in this screenplay and that part is interesting enough, however (other than the CGI shots of mindless masses of fast moving zombies attacking on the run and/or climbing over each other like so many army ants, thus scaling protective walls in Jerusalem and tall buildings whenever and wherever they're sufficiently riled up) all of the most exciting and the scariest encounters still come in places no bigger than dwellings, laboratory buildings or shopping malls.

Just like in more traditional zombie stories.

So, it's a good summer movie with entertaining, scary action and world-wide locations; often utilizing shaky, held held cameras; very, very, very little blood and gore; not much info about how this all started; a really lucky (and nicely dramatic) "camouflage" cure discovery and confirmation; leading quickly to a very sudden wrap up for this movie; as Brad Pitt's character, still embattled, but now reunited in Nova Scotia with his family, solemnly intones: "It's not the end....."

So probably there'll be a sequel.

Maybe even a trilogy.

Isn't there always, if there's movie money to be made?

"WWZ" is pretty darned good, IMHO, and is recommended for those who need and want to see it, as did I.

My wife liked it too.

And I've just started reading the book.



Your thoughts?

BTW, saw a preview of "The Wolf of Wall Street," starring Leonardo DiCaprio and directed by Martin Scorsese.

Coming soon.

My impression from what I saw was that it maybe could be subtitled: "A Greater Gatsby."




Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

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Average Joe
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I agree with pretty much everything you just said. I think the balance of mob scenes and confined zombie scenes was excellent. Brad Pitt was great in this style of role and wish he did more like it. Overall I was very entertained and on edge through a good portion of the movie.
BillOnCapitolHill
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No dark comedy? Like the soldiers saying "Please silence all cell phones and pagers"
FAST FRED
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I stand corrected, I'd forgotten about that line.

Thanks.



Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

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BillOnCapitolHill
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There was also the hilarity that "humanities best hope" "Dr. Mother Nature" kills himself because he is a dumbass. I laughed pretty hard at that.



I know people hate it when I get political on this board, but there has been a fun trend in Zombie material that the government's initial PSA will result in your death. In TWD the first survivor we see killed is the one saying "we need to do what the govt says". Even WWZ keeps this staple as Thomas' family listens to the PSA.
DB Coach
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"WWZ" was pretty darned good and is recommended for those who need and want to see it, as did I.
Philip J Fry
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I know people hate it when I get political on this board, but there has been a fun trend in Zombie material that the government's initial PSA will result in your death. In TWD the first survivor we see killed is the one saying "we need to do what the govt says". Even WWZ keeps this staple as Thomas' family listens to the PSA.


I'll add that those most likely to survive are those that own weapons. Damn that pesky 2nd amendment.
redd38
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There was also the hilarity that "humanities best hope" "Dr. Mother Nature" kills himself because he is a dumbass. I laughed pretty hard at that.


I was laughing pretty hard at that too, no one else in the theater seemed to think it was as funny as me though :/
Hobo Zombie
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The zombie genre as a whole can be seen as a critique of the collectivist nature of society, so of course the government is going to be totally ineffective, often counterproductive (at least, before making drastic changes).

Zombie fiction as a whole's overarching theme is death is eventual, it is slowly but surely coming, and no matter how many grand and wondrous marvels that humanity creates, we can never escape death.
BillOnCapitolHill
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quote:
The zombie genre as a whole can be seen as a critique of the collectivist nature of society, so of course the government is going to be totally ineffective, often counterproductive (at least, before making drastic changes).

Zombie fiction as a whole's overarching theme is death is eventual, it is slowly but surely coming, and no matter how many grand and wondrous marvels that humanity creates, we can never escape death.


That is why the book of WWZ is different. We do see an end with humanity pulling through. It even goes against Romero's Day (consumption/consumerism) showing that the US's war economy was in a much better situation because they had much more material to salvage.
ClickClack
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Saw it today and really enjoyed it. Only had one issue:


***Spoiler***


I didn't find the whole "camouflage" thing believable at all. I really wanted to accept it as a possibility, but I'm having a hard time. How could zombies really know if someone was sick with meningitis or any other disease? It just seemed far fetched to me. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong..
PatAg
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Zombies themselves are ok?
BillOnCapitolHill
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Click:

I think with the nature of the zombies in this film, they arent concerned with brains or flesh, just spreading the disease. 28 Days Later had a similar premise, those infected would vomit, bite, spit or bleed on you then move on.

I always found this to be incredibly stupid because the disease would have to diagnose a target from afar. In 28 Days, how would one infected know the difference from one another? How would they know the difference from me and another infected?

Maybe a dog can smell cancer, but a dog has a better olfactory than a human. A human nose cannot sense disease.

So you are left with an infection that makes the brain more smart than before the bite...ya ok!

Just keep them as mindless zombies that want warm/live flesh. TWD zombies eat everything. WWZ book zombies eat everything.
maroon man
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Loved it.
Bed Sores
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Also loved it
AgFB
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Not bad!

SPOILER





Another humerous (somewhat) part: after Pitt shoots the guy in the market and raises his hands to surrender to the cop.

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Phat32
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Thought it was choppy and very meh. No setup at all in the beginning, just zombies.

If it takes 12 seconds to turn, how did planes make it across the ocean?

I know you have to suspend belief, but they had zero setup.
ClickClack
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If it takes 12 seconds to turn, how did planes make it across the ocean?

I know you have to suspend belief, but they had zero setup.


Well, and the doctor in Korea made it back before he turned. It seemed like they were saying the incubation period in the beginning was longer than later on. I'm not sure how, but I gathered that was their intent.
Texaggie7nine
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I was entertained. Felt a little disappointed with the lackluster ending though. No big explosive finish or anything.

Noblemen06
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No "there's already a thread for this" post? What is Texags coming to???
FAST FRED
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The zombie on the plane came out of the rest room when the stewardess opened it.

It couldn't remember how to open the RR door.

The little dog knew it was in there.



Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.
Texaggie7nine
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No the zombie was in the little elevator that goes down to the luggage level.

FAST FRED
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I stand corrected.

I've never been on a plane with an elevator.



Zombies being able to sense humans who are sick doesn't seem to require me using much more suspension of belief than accepting zombies themselves.



Zombies don't bite each other more after they've been bitten and reanimated or do they?

So they can apparently tell who's an acceptable host.

And who's an unacceptable host at least to that degree.



Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

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BJM1781
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Actually, pretty sure all modern planes have the elevator to the luggage level.
FAST FRED
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Actually, I'm sure you're probably right.

I've seen several movies where there was a trapdoor, of course, and one that had a staircase to the luggage area.



Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

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mhayden
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You guys missed the best unintentional joke of the entire movie -- ripped straight from Arrested Development.

He chopped off the army chick's left hand, then told her she'd be "all right".
FAST FRED
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Just finished the book.

I enjoyed the movie more.

But there were many things and parts in the book which, if they had been included in the flick, could have made it an A+ zombie movie.

Would have easily had enough stuff for a trilogy, with more stories than just Brad Pitt's character's and been much, much better that way.

JMO.



Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

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BillOnCapitolHill
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The problem with the movie is the nature of the Zs. So much of the books cannot be done, because of the speed of the Zs and the means at which they spread.

Zombies take a few days to eat through a population, this plays into some retreats. With the viral-Zs its flash spread.
Macarthur
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I saw it last night. I liked it quite a bit. I have not read the books.
GiveEmHellBill
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"Just finished the book.

I enjoyed the movie more."


Different strokes, I guess.

I've read the book several tomes and hated the movie. They weren't even zombies...they were infected people ala "28 Days Later." Plus, it was poorly directed and had the worst editing I've ever seen in a big budget film.
aggiejayrod
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I'm sure ill hit a spoiler or two here.

Finally got around to seeing it. Besides the name and the fact that there were zombies, the book and movie are unrelated entirely. Once I figured that out I shut off my brain and enjoyed it as a summer blockbuster. It was ok at that but I wouldn't call it great. The camouflage was dumb. I enjoyed that the Muslims were the cause for Jerusalem falling. I'm still trying to figure out why the two able bodies soldiers stayed behind and they send the gimp on ahead.

In the end I really wish they had stuck with the source material. Something I would have loved to see is the battle of Yonkers and the battle of hope. Yonkers would have been a great beginning to show how badly we were losing the war.
chipotle
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Meh, it was ok.
farleyaggie
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Just got back from it. People over analyzing it. It is a summer blockbuster. VERY GOOD for what it is!

I enjoyed it! Far better than Superman, which was a little long I thought.
North Mayne
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Thought it was great. Told myself I would never see a movie in 3D and never saw what the hype was about, until last night. Fun experience.
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I know people hate it when I get political on this board, but there has been a fun trend in Zombie material that the government's initial PSA will result in your death. In TWD the first survivor we see killed is the one saying "we need to do what the govt says". Even WWZ keeps this staple as Thomas' family listens to the PSA.


I'll add that those most likely to survive are those that own weapons. Damn that pesky 2nd amendment.


Unless you're a Harvard egghead who's never handled one before.
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