one of the few movies that I'll watch until the end everytime it's on. Great flick
Moneyball
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Agreed
Respectfully disagree. A movie about baseball statistics... zzzzzzzz.
I like Brad Pitt and the kid from Superbad. I know it was based on a true story, but it wasn't even an inspiring true story. It was like a true story about a guy who has a lottery ticket where one number is off from the winner, a story about someone who almost made it big, but not quite.
I like Brad Pitt and the kid from Superbad. I know it was based on a true story, but it wasn't even an inspiring true story. It was like a true story about a guy who has a lottery ticket where one number is off from the winner, a story about someone who almost made it big, but not quite.
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Respectfully disagree. A movie about baseball statistics... zzzzzzzz.
I like Brad Pitt and the kid from Superbad. I know it was based on a true story, but it wasn't even an inspiring true story. It was like a true story about a guy who has a lottery ticket where one number is off from the winner, a story about someone who almost made it big, but not quite.
That's not at all what the story is about and it's a 100% off-base analogy, but ok.
Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong movie. What is Moneyball about?
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A movie about baseball statistics... zzzzzzzz.
A movie about baseball statistics that was actually 100x more interesting to READ about...in no small part because you could actually see the numbers and reports on players they were talking about and have a better idea of what Billy and Co. were up to than a character on a screen just saying "We're going to give these guys a chance based on numbers..." then seeing no numbers.
The movie isn't a great feel good story. It isn't exciting. The A's don't win anything. It's a movie where a couple of guys did a good job of acting as characters working through mundane office politics, meetings, and business trips.
The whole relationship with the daughter is contrived and feels shoe-horned in so that we can have a sappy ending that, in reality, has nothing to do with anything.
I like baseball. I like statistics. I like the book. I have no idea what anyone saw in this movie.
Just an opinion.
And they conveniently leave out all this takes place at the height of the steroid era in Balco's backyard.
I thought they really threw Howe under the bus undeservingly.
They act like that was the first time anyone ever moved a catcher to 1st base.
I did enjoy the way the showed the trades going down... Get the owners approval and negotiating for 3 years of soda. And the batting cage scene with Dave Justice where he reminds him the Yankees were paying half his salary.
Good movie not great.
I thought they really threw Howe under the bus undeservingly.
They act like that was the first time anyone ever moved a catcher to 1st base.
I did enjoy the way the showed the trades going down... Get the owners approval and negotiating for 3 years of soda. And the batting cage scene with Dave Justice where he reminds him the Yankees were paying half his salary.
Good movie not great.
Didn't really like the movie. I'm a huge baseball fan so I had high hopes. The climax of the movie was a trade for Ricardo rincon? Also if you only watched the movie and didn't know anything about baseball, you would have thought Scott Hatteberg was the team MVP. Oaklands incredible run that year was due in large part to its starting pitching and I don't even think he movie mentioned any of them.
can't remember if I replied in this thread or not but I thought BP killed this movie. I've seen it 20-30 times at least. Probably my favorite baseball movie of all time. BP has always been one of my favorites. This, Fight Club, and Once a Upon a Time in Hollywood are up there.
Seeing that we're in the World Series of College Baseball this week, I'd appreciate your takes. Gig Em Aggies!
edit: I didn't reply. I can count.
edit2: Would really be interested in TCTTS comments because unbeknownst to me, I hear he knows sports as well
Seeing that we're in the World Series of College Baseball this week, I'd appreciate your takes. Gig Em Aggies!
edit: I didn't reply. I can count.
edit2: Would really be interested in TCTTS comments because unbeknownst to me, I hear he knows sports as well
Every executive manager in my business has been trying to replicate these results by hiring folks from offshore who are almost as good as regular White American males but cost a fraction of the price. Primarily folks from British Commonwealth countries who speak English and take orders.Lance Uppercut said:Quote:
A movie about baseball statistics... zzzzzzzz.
A movie about baseball statistics that was actually 100x more interesting to READ about...in no small part because you could actually see the numbers and reports on players they were talking about and have a better idea of what Billy and Co. were up to than a character on a screen just saying "We're going to give these guys a chance based on numbers..." then seeing no numbers.
The movie isn't a great feel good story. It isn't exciting. The A's don't win anything. It's a movie where a couple of guys did a good job of acting as characters working through mundane office politics, meetings, and business trips.
The whole relationship with the daughter is contrived and feels shoe-horned in so that we can have a sappy ending that, in reality, has nothing to do with anything.
I like baseball. I like statistics. I like the book. I have no idea what anyone saw in this movie.
Just an opinion.
So the impact on business is significant.
If you don't see the personal relationship issues, it sounds like you've never known anybody who was divorced and had a strained relationship with their ex-wife and kids. It's a movie after all.
I thought the movie did a great job of capturing the excitement of your team and your city going on a playoff run. Everyone is your friend all of a sudden.
Rapper Nelly probably said it best in the song "Ride Wit Me" when he said
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Check, check, yo, I know something you don't know
And I've got something to tell ya
You won't believe how many people straight doubted the flow
Most said that I was a failure
But now the same mother****ers asking me for dough
And I'm yelling, "I can't help ya"
"But Nelly can we get tickets to the next show?"
Hell no (what's witchyou?), you for real?
For one thing the movie does have the greatest montage of all time.
I saw an interview with the former players, and they said that the movie did the manager dirty. That he was nothing like how he was portrayed. It always annoys me when movies defame real life people. I feel a duty to set the story straight.
I think that blame would lie more with Michael Lewis, as that was how Art was portrayed in his book. He said that Lewis spent all of 10 minutes interviewing him for the book.
I was always a fan of Lewis, but history has not been kind to several of his books now. He clearly has a preconceived narrative he wants to shape and doesn't like to have pesky things like facts get in his way.
I was always a fan of Lewis, but history has not been kind to several of his books now. He clearly has a preconceived narrative he wants to shape and doesn't like to have pesky things like facts get in his way.
What other books of his are suspect?Diggity said:
I think that blame would lie more with Michael Lewis, as that was how Art was portrayed in his book. He said that Lewis spent all of 10 minutes interviewing him for the book.
I was always a fan of Lewis, but history has not been kind to several of his books now. He clearly has a preconceived narrative he wants to shape and doesn't like to have pesky things like facts get in his way.
Decent film. The part I remember most, though, is them all being amazed about a win streak. Just jaw to the floor, minds blown, you've never experienced such nirvana. You know that means they're losing the next game though (not shown) so it's a little premature. I mean, the concept works, but they fast forward past the postseason and quickly wrap up the movie.
Makes me think of how some still want to hang a banner for the 2010 Aggie football team because they went on a tear and had some awesome wins. But at the end of the day we were 9-4 and got bent over in the bowl game, and didn't even win the division (shared, I guess?). I enjoyed the Oklahoma and Nebraska wins as much as anyone but it makes for a kind of limp ending if that's the climax of the film.
Makes me think of how some still want to hang a banner for the 2010 Aggie football team because they went on a tear and had some awesome wins. But at the end of the day we were 9-4 and got bent over in the bowl game, and didn't even win the division (shared, I guess?). I enjoyed the Oklahoma and Nebraska wins as much as anyone but it makes for a kind of limp ending if that's the climax of the film.
Michael Oher had some major issues with his portrayal The Blind Side and sued his "adoptive" family. Guess you could blame the Tuohys for that but as well but Lewis certainly helped to popularize the story.
He falls in love with SBF (Truman Capote style almost) in "Going Infinite" and the book is a mess because of that.
I didn't read his Covid book, but he missed it pretty badly in the interviews I listened him participate in. He's always obsessed with finding "the expert" for his stories that he decided to profile Charity Dean, who still seems to be trying to scare people about Covid. He basically said that lockdowns were the answer and the TX & FL were going to kill people by opening things up. At the time, he was griping about how a judge ending the CDC's ability to require masks on planes was going to kill a ton of people.
I think he went to print way too soon on the Covid and SBF stories in order to capitalize on a hot topic. He also seems to get too emotionally invested in some of the characters he profiles, and puts on blinders about others.
He falls in love with SBF (Truman Capote style almost) in "Going Infinite" and the book is a mess because of that.
I didn't read his Covid book, but he missed it pretty badly in the interviews I listened him participate in. He's always obsessed with finding "the expert" for his stories that he decided to profile Charity Dean, who still seems to be trying to scare people about Covid. He basically said that lockdowns were the answer and the TX & FL were going to kill people by opening things up. At the time, he was griping about how a judge ending the CDC's ability to require masks on planes was going to kill a ton of people.
I think he went to print way too soon on the Covid and SBF stories in order to capitalize on a hot topic. He also seems to get too emotionally invested in some of the characters he profiles, and puts on blinders about others.
The "climax" was Billy Beane's character being recognized by the Red Sox for his innovation, via a job offer.
That was the triumph - that Billy Beane changed baseball.
Yes, the team fell short in the end, but that wasn't the point. Same as Rocky not beating Apollo Creed at the end of the first Rocky movie. The triumph wasn't winning. The triumph was proving that the underdog could go the distance.
That was the triumph - that Billy Beane changed baseball.
Yes, the team fell short in the end, but that wasn't the point. Same as Rocky not beating Apollo Creed at the end of the first Rocky movie. The triumph wasn't winning. The triumph was proving that the underdog could go the distance.
I've only read Moneyball and his latest SBF book. He clearly let his personal view of SBF taint the book. In the end, he is arguing that the judge in the case isn't being fair, and basically that SBF got screwed. As the person above said, the book came out way too soon. The criminal case had not even started, and there was a lot of stuff that came out in that case which gives you a totally different view of what SBF was up to.aTmAg said:What other books of his are suspect?Diggity said:
I think that blame would lie more with Michael Lewis, as that was how Art was portrayed in his book. He said that Lewis spent all of 10 minutes interviewing him for the book.
I was always a fan of Lewis, but history has not been kind to several of his books now. He clearly has a preconceived narrative he wants to shape and doesn't like to have pesky things like facts get in his way.
As far as Moneyball goes, I think it clearly changed the game in the sense that teams should be using an analytical approach over a subjective one. Every team in baseball has moved this way. It has also had a major influence on the business world in general. There is another piece of the book that often seems to go unnoticed, though. It's not enough to just use stats. When you don't have a large budget, you have to find value. Since the book came out, the price of players with high OBP and other stats mentioned in the book has skyrocketed. If the A's continue to try to use the same stats to make decisions, they will lose because they are once again competing against the Yankees, Red Sox, et. all for the same players. The A's have to adjust and find a new area that is undervalued.
TCTTS said:
The "climax" was Billy Beane's character being recognized by the Red Sox for his innovation, via a job offer.
That was the triumph - that Billy Beane changed baseball.
Yes, the team fell short in the end, but that wasn't the point. Same as Rocky not beating Apollo Creed at the end of the first Rocky movie. The triumph wasn't winning. The triumph was proving that the underdog could go the distance.
Spoiler alert
I get that, but I'm talking/joking specifically about Jonah Hill standing speechless in the crowd. But you know they lost one night later. It's just kind of funny framing I guess.
I think Michael Oher lost a lot of credibility when his texts to the Tuohys came out. It's clear to me that he was trying to extort money from them because he thought he didn't get his due. The movie came out in 2009, and he waited to sue them in 2023? I think he blew through his money like most NFL athletes and came to the Tuohys for more.Diggity said:
Michael Oher had some major issues with his portrayal The Blind Side and sued his "adoptive" family. Guess you could blame the Tuohys for that but as well but Lewis certainly helped to popularize the story.
definitely a messy story but the conservatorship angle is very strange.
There are a lot of issues with Going Infinite, but this is a pretty big exaggeration.Quote:
He clearly let his personal view of SBF taint the book. In the end, he is arguing that the judge in the case isn't being fair, and basically that SBF got screwed.
I feel like people are upset with Lewis over a rather down-the-middle portrayal of a guy they wanted to be demonized.
thank youTCTTS said:
The "climax" was Billy Beane's character being recognized by the Red Sox for his innovation, via a job offer.
That was the triumph - that Billy Beane changed baseball.
Yes, the team fell short in the end, but that wasn't the point. Same as Rocky not beating Apollo Creed at the end of the first Rocky movie. The triumph wasn't winning. The triumph was proving that the underdog could go the distance.
AustinAg2K said:I've only read Moneyball and his latest SBF book. He clearly let his personal view of SBF taint the book. In the end, he is arguing that the judge in the case isn't being fair, and basically that SBF got screwed. As the person above said, the book came out way too soon. The criminal case had not even started, and there was a lot of stuff that came out in that case which gives you a totally different view of what SBF was up to.aTmAg said:What other books of his are suspect?Diggity said:
I think that blame would lie more with Michael Lewis, as that was how Art was portrayed in his book. He said that Lewis spent all of 10 minutes interviewing him for the book.
I was always a fan of Lewis, but history has not been kind to several of his books now. He clearly has a preconceived narrative he wants to shape and doesn't like to have pesky things like facts get in his way.
As far as Moneyball goes, I think it clearly changed the game in the sense that teams should be using an analytical approach over a subjective one. Every team in baseball has moved this way. It has also had a major influence on the business world in general. There is another piece of the book that often seems to go unnoticed, though. It's not enough to just use stats. When you don't have a large budget, you have to find value. Since the book came out, the price of players with high OBP and other stats mentioned in the book has skyrocketed. If the A's continue to try to use the same stats to make decisions, they will lose because they are once again competing against the Yankees, Red Sox, et. all for the same players. The A's have to adjust and find a new area that is undervalued.
Moneyball tells the story of the widespread analytical movement in sports… but that was bound to happen at the exact same pace whether his book was published or not.
I am not a fan of baseball at all, nor a fan of Brad Pitt, but I watch this movie every time I am scrolling and find it on. Along with Hollywood and Assassination of Jesse James, it's Pitt's best acting job.
I don't really care if it's accurate or not. The characters and the acting are well-done and it's funny.
I don't much care for the daughter subplot, but the scene in which Billy sits with his ex and her new husband waiting for the daughter is just so on point it hurts. The new guy tries to compliment Billy and knows so little about what he's saying that it's painful and even the ex has to step in to correct him. Just an amazing scene.
I don't really care if it's accurate or not. The characters and the acting are well-done and it's funny.
I don't much care for the daughter subplot, but the scene in which Billy sits with his ex and her new husband waiting for the daughter is just so on point it hurts. The new guy tries to compliment Billy and knows so little about what he's saying that it's painful and even the ex has to step in to correct him. Just an amazing scene.
Baseball is such a boring sport.
Movies about baseball are enjoyable.
This is no exception, I enjoyed this movie and am not surprised hard-core BB fans don't care for it.
Movies about baseball are enjoyable.
This is no exception, I enjoyed this movie and am not surprised hard-core BB fans don't care for it.
AlaskanAg99 said:
This is no exception, I enjoyed this movie and am not surprised hard-core BB fans don't care for it.
Do hardcore fans not care for it? I kind of feel the opposite. Most hardcore fans love the movie because it basically confirms what we all think... We know more about how to construct a team than the front office.
For whatever reason, baseball has always been as much about stats and business as it has been about the on field product. All hardcore fans routinely check fan graphs or baseball reference to find additional insight. They also follow minor league prospects (something big in the book, but left out of the movie). To my knowledge, there is no other baseball movie that focuses on the business side of things (I suppose Major League does).
I agree for the most part. I never sit down and watch a baseball game on TV. Maybe if it's the world series or something.AlaskanAg99 said:
Baseball is such a boring sport.
Movies about baseball are enjoyable.
This is no exception, I enjoyed this movie and am not surprised hard-core BB fans don't care for it.
But I went down a rabbit hole of watching Jomboy youtube videos and that was real interesting. It showed me that there is a lot more to the game than I ever thought. Here is a good one:
Nevermind.
aTmAg said:I agree for the most part. I never sit down and watch a baseball game on TV. Maybe if it's the world series or something.AlaskanAg99 said:
Baseball is such a boring sport.
Movies about baseball are enjoyable.
This is no exception, I enjoyed this movie and am not surprised hard-core BB fans don't care for it.
But I went down a rabbit hole of watching Jomboy youtube videos and that was real interesting. It showed me that there is a lot more to the game than I ever thought. Here is a good one:
So, I remember reading a story back during the Astros sign stealing ordeal, where the other team realized the Astros had their signs, but rather than just change their signs, they started using it to their own advantage. It reminded me of the Friends episode where they are, "Yeah, but they don't know that we know that they know that we don't know."
I haven't heard that. How did they use it to their advantage?
So the manager got the rough end of the movie- pretty clear he was more of a positive to the team than was portrayed.
Blind side- really sounds like the Touys are bit of stuck up *******s, but they did take Oher in. I think they knew he was going to be a player and his inexperience with football wasn't true. I don't know if he would have made it to college though without them. His sueing them really isn't going to net real money. There really was about $100k in contention.
And btw…I was actually at that A's game that was at the end of moneyball. Lived in San Fran at the time and got tickets that day. $10 for Tuesday tickets and me and the new wife got 2. Think it came with free hotdogs too. We knew it was a record breaking game, but got the tickets day of and sat in the first section on the third baseline. Was as good a game as portrayed in the movie.
Blind side- really sounds like the Touys are bit of stuck up *******s, but they did take Oher in. I think they knew he was going to be a player and his inexperience with football wasn't true. I don't know if he would have made it to college though without them. His sueing them really isn't going to net real money. There really was about $100k in contention.
And btw…I was actually at that A's game that was at the end of moneyball. Lived in San Fran at the time and got tickets that day. $10 for Tuesday tickets and me and the new wife got 2. Think it came with free hotdogs too. We knew it was a record breaking game, but got the tickets day of and sat in the first section on the third baseline. Was as good a game as portrayed in the movie.
Did Joe Satriani play the anthem?
dude95 said:
So the manager got the rough end of the movie- pretty clear he was more of a positive to the team than was portrayed.
Blind side- really sounds like the Touys are bit of stuck up *******s, but they did take Oher in. I think they knew he was going to be a player and his inexperience with football wasn't true. I don't know if he would have made it to college though without them. His sueing them really isn't going to net real money. There really was about $100k in contention.
And btw…I was actually at that A's game that was at the end of moneyball. Lived in San Fran at the time and got tickets that day. $10 for Tuesday tickets and me and the new wife got 2. Think it came with free hotdogs too. We knew it was a record breaking game, but got the tickets day of and sat in the first section on the third baseline. Was as good a game as portrayed in the movie.
Just fyi, but no one who has ever lived on SF calls it San Fran…
Care to refresh your story…?
Maybe you'll call it frisco next.
