Aw yes, the drama of explosions and death

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Greatest. Show. Ever. I've been a nervous wreck all day.

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Around lunchtime my wife texted me. "I know this is kind of goofy, but I felt down all day long… About breaking bad."

The ricin is for Brock. Little ****er wouldn't even look Walt in the eye last week.

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"I know this is kind of goofy, but I felt down all day long… About breaking bad."

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Not goofy. I had trouble going to sleep last night, and the episode's been replaying in my head most of the day.

LOOOOK AT ME BROCK!

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Around lunchtime my wife texted me. "I know this is kind of goofy, but I felt down all day long… About breaking bad."

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I totally feel her pain. I'm right there. Probably a mix of that and the Monday blues after a good weekend, but BB is playing its part in that.

[This message has been edited by Jimmy McNulty (edited 9/16/2013 2:11p).]

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Aw yes, the drama of explosions and death

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No dude, you're literally confused about what shock value means. An explosion does not constitute shock value.

LOL. I swear texags surprises me. I know we have Brouther Mouzone, and now McNulty on here? And I think Omar Little too.

Fun fact about my sn, because i get asked sometimes. Scientific was a character in the movie Clockers. I was in high school when I watched it for the first time in 02, after my English teacher urged me to see it. A few years later, I reluctantly watched The Wire after being recommended by a friend. They felt and looked similar to me, despite being a decade apart.

Turns out, Richard Price wrote the book for Clockers, and then went on to write for the Wire. I just recently found that out.

I think I am also realizing that one of my favorite shows is nearing an end and I don't want it to. I've been going through all of the seasons anad every thing all of the characters have been through while reading this thread today....and it's not helping!

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Shock value is the potential of an action (as a public execution), image, text, or other form of communication to provoke a reaction of sharp disgust, shock, anger, fear, or similar negative emotions.

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No, you're just a fanboy that for some reason can't admit that the show isn't very subtle which isn't even a knock against the show, it's just not my personal cup of tea.

There's also a Stringer Bell, Bunk Moreland and some other handles that are characters from The Wire on here

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No dude, you're literally confused about what shock value means. An explosion does not constitute shock value

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Yea, he definitely does not know what shock value means. I will admit that Gus's face getting blown off and possibly the turtle bomb could be considered shock value, but the other stuff is not shock value at all.

Just because something crazy or unexpected happens does not mean that it was shock value. To me, shock value means they show something disgusting, gory, gruesome, etc just to get a rise out of the audience. Breaking Bad does not do this.

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It is just like the cliff jumpers who get on TexAgs during the middle of a football game and make an ass out of themselves

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You think you're helping your case with the definition?

Fanboy or not, I'm not saying you have to love the show, simply pointing out that you're mistaken in describing it a show that just goes for shock value. Walt poisoning Brock wasn't done as a way to get a cheap reaction from people, it's an essential part of the story, and integral in the downward spiral of Walt's character.

See the difference?

Can we please not continue with the "what is shock value" and "the Wire > BB" talk on this thread?

The folks who talk about the wire here have said they still love BB.

Who cares about the rest.

Last night was a brilliant night of TV. Let's enjoy the final two episodes and discuss idiotic theories on this thread. Not what is shock value and why that made The Wire better than Breaking Bad.

As many excellent lines as there were last night, I think Hank's last words to Walt topped them all.

"You're the smartest man I've ever known, but you're too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago."

Walt has managed to weasel his way out of an awful lot throughout the series, but he finally reached a point where no amount of money, cooking expertise, or anything else mattered. His time on top was officially over. It was plainly obvious that there was no way Hank was leaving there alive, Walt just couldn't see it, offered everything that he had (and lost it anyway), and it just didn't matter.

between the Bama game and Breaking Bad, I may need medication.

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You think you're helping your case with the definition?

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Yes, as nothing I have stated is at odds with the definition. You are placing your own qualitative analysis of what constitutes shock value, and I my own. You can argue all you want about how it isn't but you will not change my mind or the minds of others who agree.

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"You're the smartest man I've ever known, but you're too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago."

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i almost lost it on this scene. aint gona lie,i choked up.

what about the acting from Holly?? has a baby ever won an Emmy? if not, nows the time. not sure how they pulled that off.

am i an ahole for STILL wanting Walter to come out on top in all this? WTF is wrong with me??!!

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am i an ahole for STILL wanting Walter to come out on top in all this?

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Same here. I had given up on Walt until I realized what he was doing with the last phone call. He still cares about his family, whether he's a part of it or not.

I think what I want for him at this point is to die knowing his family is safe and has enough money, and dies with at least the love and respect of his family.

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You are placing your own qualitative analysis of what constitutes shock value, and I my own.

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Pretty sure it's just you doing that. By your definition, pretty much all drama falls under 'shock value'.

I agree with the above poster who says this is a ridiculous argument.

If they are doing a circle which it appears they are doing then Jesse dies at the hands of the Neo-Nazis (not that Walt would care). So Walt will not come back to avange Jesse. He wants him dead. I also don't see him coming back to avenge Hank. To me the telling sign is the reaction of his neighbor. She is scarred out of her mind when she sees Walt. Something bad is going to happen in that house. Why would the police mark it off? Walt did not cook there. No one up to this point has been killed in that house. As far as I can tell no crime has been committed in that house up to now so there is no reason for the police to barricade it off. Yet when Walt returns it is blocked off. If Skylar wanted out they would have put it on the market. Hell, even the house that crazy woman in Houston drowned her 5 children in has been sold. So for it to be blocked off a crime would have had to have been committed in the house. And not a petty one at that. Someone is going to get killed in that house which draws Walt back.

Skylar has no money. The feds are gong to seize that car wash. Unless based on the phone call they put her in witness protection she has no choice but to stay in the houase. Her sister is about to get whacked sop she is not moving in with her.

Using the above scenario Skylar has to be the one that gets killed. Russell Yates (Houston murder reference) lived in that house for a time and put it on the market. Walt is a fugitive so he no longer has any claim to the house. So Skylar is going to be killed in it. Otherwise she would just sell it. And her being killed in it is the reason they block the house off.

Walt finds out Jesse hasn't been killed. This was part of Walt's agreement with the Nazi's. Walt goes back to kill Jesse, and maybe Jack and the rest of the Nazi's too since they didn't honor the agreement.

And I still think Jr. wrote "Heisenberg" on the wall.

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I thought Walt didn't give a full effort negotiating for Hanks life, and I rolled my eyes at Hank's final line. Because Walt has been in that scenario multiple times before and always weaseled his way out if it. That's why I was upset they didn't have Hank die last week. I knew if he survived to this week they would have a negotiation where Walt would save him. I didn't see it coming that Walt would lose his fastball in how to deal with killers.

-Walt knew that Crazy8 was going to kill him, and he talked his way out of it.

-Walt knew that Tuco would assault him and he talked/fought his way out of it

-Walt knew that Mike was going to kill him and he talked his way out of it.

Walt knew that Jack was going to kill Hank but he.... did a weak offering of 80 million fr a clean escape for Hank? That's weak and insulting to Walt's intelligence as being able to get out of things. At least try harder.

so who's Felina?

$80 million isn't exactly a weak offering.

Ah apparently opinions are fact, I see its impossible to reason with you, shark, I guess that is to be expected.

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I thought Walt didn't give a full effort negotiating for Hanks life

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what leverage did he have?

Why would Jr. deface his own house? And even if he did that would not be a crime that would warrant the police blocking it off. Jr. may die in that house but Skylar would still own it. She would move off no doubt but they would clean it up and sell it on the market. Skylar is going to die. If not then what the heck?

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Walt knew that Jack was going to kill Hank but he.... did a weak offering of 80 million fr a clean escape for Hank? That's weak and insulting to Walt's intelligence as being able to get out of things. At least try harder.

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With what?

I think that was the point.

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Why would Jr. deface his own house? And even if he did that would not be a crime that would warrant the police blocking it off. Jr. may die in that house but Skylar would still own it. She would move off no doubt but they would clean it up and sell it on the market. Skylar is going to die. If not then what the heck?

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I don't know. It just seems like to me, Jr. truly acknowledging his father as Heisenberg is the thing that hurts Walt the most. I mean, I guess he already has via the phone call to the police.

I was not talking about what crime was committed to warrant blocking off the house. I have no clue on that.

ce- now that police know that 2 DEA agents are dead and combined with Walt's phone call and realization that he's Heisenberg, i'm sure the police will rope his house off, and turn it upside down searching for any evidence. Skyler wouldn't be allowed to live there, especially with Walt still on the loose.

The Neo_Nazis had no choice but to kill Hank. They also figured out that the money was out there as soon as Hank mentioned it. Like he said you give directions like "turn left at the gas station". You don't give Northing and Eastings. Incindentally, can someone post those cooridnates. I want to google earth it.

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Ah apparently opinions are fact, I see its impossible to reason with you, shark, I guess that is to be expected.

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Still on this? How am I being unreasonable, when you're the one arguing that the Brock poisoning, an important part of the story, falls under the category of shock value? Haven't seen anyone come forward and agree with you on this.

And not sure what you're referencing with your last comment.