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WestTxAg06
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Am I the only one that's just not all that impressed with Stoney LaRue? "Idabel Blues" is the only song of his that I really like, though he's got a couple of others that are tolerable. "Oklahoma Breakdown" is far and way the most overplayed and overrated Texas song in the last few years, and his other "big" songs ("Forever Young", "One Chord Song" ) are just mediocre too.

More Chris Knight, Max Stalling, and Eleven Hundred Springs and less Stoney LaRue in the rotation of the Texas country stations, and I'd be mighty happy.

EDIT: I managed to misspell "overrated" in the thread title. Brilliant.

[This message has been edited by WestTxAg06 (edited 6/23/2008 11:01a).]
DonaldFDraper
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If you go to school at A&M... All of them. I used to kind of like the genre but there are so many retarded music fans that think Pat Green, Eli Young, Cross, and Randy Rogers are on par with The Beatles or even Garth Brooks that just totally turned me off to the genre. Plus I have seen all the previously mentioned performers live and would not pay to see any of them again. These bands and bands like Rascal Flatts is exactly what is wrong with Country today... It is rock/pop with twangy vocal; not the roots/blues/bluegrass stuff or even the cleaver song writing and instrumentation of the 80 and early to mid 90s.
Furlock Bones
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If you go to school at A&M... All of them. I used to kind of like the genre but there are so many retarded music fans that think Pat Green, Eli Young, Cross, and Randy Rogers are on par with The Beatles or even Garth Brooks that just totally turned me off to the genre. Plus I have seen all the previously mentioned performers live and would not pay to see any of them again. These bands and bands like Rascal Flatts is exactly what is wrong with Country today... It is rock/pop with twangy vocal; not the roots/blues/bluegrass stuff or even the cleaver song writing and instrumentation of the 80 and early to mid 90s.


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cjg89
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Disagree about Stoney, I like all his stuff.

I am pretty new to this whole Texas/red dirt genre, but Stoney is my favorite.

TXAG 05
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Wade Bowen
Stoney LaRue
Bleu Edmondson
Eli Young
Randy Rogers is getting there, I still like him but he isn't as good now as he was when he was playing at Bourbon St Bar for $2.

And I would say Granger, but he isn't widely rated very high, but the people that like him think he is the next george strait, which isn't going to happen
Potcake
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Pat Green

OP, I would prefer you remove Chris Knight from your list.
eld02
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so i guess you can sell out in country music too!
WestTxAg06
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OP, I would prefer you remove Chris Knight from your list.

You misread my post. I was saying we need more Chris Knight and Eleven Hundred Springs on the radio and less Stoney LaRue.

Chris is very underrated, and it's a crying shame. IMHO, he's one of the best country/folk singer-songwriters alive.
Potcake
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Sorry.
Snake Jazz
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Most of them are. There are only so many songs you can write about drinking beer.
WestTxAg06
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Most of them are. There are only so many songs you can write about drinking beer.

If you think that's all they write about, you're missing out. Most of the overrated ones DO write too much of the "woo hoo, let's get tore up!" stuff, but the good songwriters write about so much more than that. There are still a lot of true storytellers in the genre, but they don't get near as much radio airplay as the others.
Represent830
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I can't stand Stoney LaRue...way overrated.

Randy Rogers pissed me off when 5 years ago he shouted "*****Nashville" at his concert at the River Road Ice House. He then sold a song to Kenny Chesney a few years later after saying "*****Kenny Chesney" too.

Eli Young. Please. Stop. Singing.

Pat Green is no longer considered texas country/Americana/red dirt.

Heard of Josh Grider? He's awesome.

Agree about Chris Knight. He lyrics are basic guitar chords are simple, but his songs mean a lot. I respect that. Same with Max Stallings. Listen to his lyrics, they are extremely well thought out.

Oh and lastly, Willy Braun is one of the greatest lyricists ever.
FtBendTxAg
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the whole genre has gone to hell, just like country music did in the late 80's early 90's

Pat Green is a straight nashville loser. He shouldnt be in any conversation involving 1. Texas. Or Texas style Music. He is pop. A tard to boot. ( i will admit I liked his early shyt when I was in HS, though)

Bobby Keene is King, and so Is Lyle Lovett. Period. Everybody else is just leftoevers. And there is no Aggie bias involved. The rest are literally posers.
Matilda
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Randy Rogers pissed me off when 5 years ago he shouted "*****Nashville" at his concert at the River Road Ice House. He then sold a song to Kenny Chesney a few years later after saying "*****Kenny Chesney" too.



While this may be true, it doesn't mean that he is an overrated artist. "Selling out" and being a good Texas country artist are not mutually exclusive. "Selling out" and being a "pure" or
"raw" TC artist is a different story. Even if RRB has "sold out" to Nashville, I would still say that Like It Used To Be, Rollercoaster, and Just a Matter of Time, are quality Texas Country albums.

Rant:
Just because a band is becoming more popular doesn't mean that the music they are putting out is inferior. This is the classic emo kid move. Love a band, write it's name on your backpack, plaster your wall with its posters, but as soon as they get played on MTV, immediately disown them.
FtBendTxAg
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theres no such thing as selling out really. unless you're pat green. he just sings about ghey stuff now. totally away from his roots. The only type of selling out I refer to is if you try to conform to Nashville and start singing Rascal Flats/Keith Urban/Ghey type stuff.

Like Isaac Brock of Modest Mouse said. I'm not facking selling out, Im trying to pay my bills.

Anybody else on this board would "sell out" too if there was a FAT contract worth more money than youve ever seen put in front of your face. And thats a FACT. try to argue it... Please, I dare you.
Mameluke
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If you go to school at A&M... All of them. I used to kind of like the genre but there are so many retarded music fans that think Pat Green, Eli Young, Cross, and Randy Rogers are on par with The Beatles or even Garth Brooks that just totally turned me off to the genre. Plus I have seen all the previously mentioned performers live and would not pay to see any of them again. These bands and bands like Rascal Flatts is exactly what is wrong with Country today... It is rock/pop with twangy vocal; not the roots/blues/bluegrass stuff or even the cleaver song writing and instrumentation of the 80 and early to mid 90s.

this is probably one of the dumbest posts i've ever read on this board. first of all, you admit to liking the genre at one point, but you were turned off due to other fans? that makes no sense. you liked them, but since they became really popular around texas you stopped liking them? very logical. also, to compare bands like cross canadian ragweed or even randy rogers band to rascal flatts, and say thats what is wrong with country music today is ridiculous. they are exact opposite ends of the spectrum.
Mameluke
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also, the only "texas country" artist i consider a total sellout is pat green, and here's why. he literally built his career and popularity on the "screw nashville" mentality. he played around texas, mostly college towns, and really embraced his own people. then once he had built a solid fan base in texas, large enough to be recognized on a national scale, he dropped these fans like a bad habit and hit the road. i saw him play in north carolina last year, and it was like a totally different pat green than the one i used to see in the late nineties. i was in the front row, and between songs i yelled for him to play "songs about texas" and he literally smirked and shook his head at me. **** that guy.
bam02
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Roger Creager. Decent sound but he is the most unoriginal artist out there and has been ever since he began. I also can't stand Doug Moreland and can't understand why anyone would ever find him entertaining.
Mameluke
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creager is a one trick pony, and he knows it. he sings about drinking, floating the river, and having a good time. he doesnt claim to be any more than that. his concerts are fun.
toucan82
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I saw Randy Rogers once

I didn't see what all the hype was about
Westicles
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Oh and lastly, Willy Braun is one of the greatest lyricists ever.

Nicely put. RK is one band who no one could argue has sold out or doesn't still continue to play and put out quality music. I don't think I've been to two of their shows that were exactly alike. Yeah, they play their popular songs everytime because they have too, but they play some great covers (ie Vincent Black Lightning 1952, etc).

I disagree with all the people who dislike Randy Rogers and think he's sold out. Yeah, he's not the same as he was when he would play at Cheatham Street Warehouse for $2, but as FortBendTx Ag said, no one can stay the same as they get more popular. I don't see how anyone could disagree that Rollercoaster was not a fantastic album. With that said, there's a HUGE difference between how RR has changed with the times and how Pat Green has complete sold out.
TXAG 05
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Rollercoaster is a great album. It was after that when all the frat rats and sorority girls discovered him and he became hip like Stoney is now. I had become burned out on him and then I saw him last year at RR Icehouse and he put on a great show. His last album was crappy IMO but he still can perform
rbtexan
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I love all the "sold out" comments. I've had more of my share of those tossed my way, usually from people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. I guess being successful at your chosen profession is something to apologize for and be ashamed of.

But please, carry on...I've only been making a living as a "nashville sell-out" for over a quarter of a century...what would I know.

Mameluke
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and who are you?
Mameluke
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and if you say pat green didnt sell out, then you are crazy
TXAG 05
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Yeah I didn't know we were in the presence of greatness
rbtexan
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I'm saying that it's very easy to sit there and say someone sold out when you're not the one trying to keep the bills paid. I also didn't single out any particular post on the subject, I simple would point out that it's a cliche' that gets thrown out way too easily.

http://nashvillesongwriters.com/news.php?viewStory=230

and that's who I am.
Mameluke
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building a career on the anti-nashville movement, then turning your back on the very fans that got you your fame is SELLING OUT.
Westicles
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rb, I think what most of us are refering to as to Pat Green selling out is how he's seemingly forgot about his roots, Texas, all together. If it weren't for Texan music fans, he would be nothing. You can look at his tour schedule at any given time and see he hardly plays any Texas dates anymore. I don't blame anyone moving up in their career and success. That's why you guys start writing music and performing. Trust me I know, my brother has written almost 75 songs and dreams of doing the same thing but hasn't seen an opportunity to truly make the jump over the hurdle to try and get there.

BTW You're a great songwriter. Keep it up!
Backstrapper
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Granger Smith has a new single on the radio now called "Colorblind".

Great song.
WestTxAg06
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If I could just weigh in on this "selling out" discussion...

The term "sell out" gets thrown around way too loosely when talking about music. Too many "fans" are ready to call an artist a "sell out" at the drop of a hat, just as soon as that artist's career path deviates from what the "fan" thinks is best. I wrote this on a thread last week, but I think it warrants mentioning again: there's a difference between a guy's music growing and his music being changed by outside influences and straying from his roots. The "sell out" term gets applied to both situations when it should really only be applied to the latter.

As a songwriter matures in life, as he grows up and settles down with a wife and kids, his music is going to grow and mature with his life if he's any count as a human being and a songwriter. Don't get me wrong, I loved Pat Green's "Here We Go" and "George's Bar", but it's unfair and immature to expect him to do nothing but write alcohol and bar anthems his entire life. If that's all he's capable of doing, he's really not much of a person or a writer.

Pat didn't "sell out" when he got a major record deal and put out the "Three Days" and "Wave On Wave" albums. A lot of people called that selling out, but those albums came across to me as a sign of growth and maturity, and it seemed obvious that the ones complaining were the ones who hadn't grown up beyond their own personal "Here We Go" lifestyle. However, Pat did develop a problem after that. The "Lucky Ones" single was a step over the line, and the "Cannonball" album was a huge disappointment to me. Not that he was growing, but that his style had completely changed. When I heard "Dixie Lullaby" on the radio in Lubbock, I about died. To me, that wasn't Pat growing as a writer, that was Pat cashing in on the Nashville phenomenon of hitting it big with sentimental and sappy songs that appeal to the middle-aged female who makes up a huge part of the country radio demographic.

Someone hit the nail on the head above, talking about how Pat built his career on being the openly “anti-Nashville” guy, and then turning his back on that sentiment and becoming extremely mainstream Nashville. The problem is not that Pat became a Nashville guy, it’s that he chanted “Nashville sucks!” for years, and then became a Nashville guy as soon as the opportunity arose. If Pat hadn’t been so anti-Nashville in his early days, I don’t think we’d be having this conversation.

I’m always amazed by the segment of Texas country fans who think that it’s a “you’re with us or against us” situation when talking Texas v. Nashville. I wonder how many of those fans a) know who Guy Clark is, and b) know that he’s made a nice chunk of change by having Nashville artists record his great songs.

Serious fans of country music don’t blame Nashville songwriters for the problems that we have with the country genre. Ray Benson of Asleep at the Wheel said it best one day on XM Radio: the state of country music is fine, there are a lot of great artists and writers making great music; the state of country radio, on the other hand, is a different story. There’s a lot of great music being written every day in Nashville, but you never hear most of it, because the execs of the record companies and radio chains aren’t interested in putting that kind of music on the radio.

Don’t throw everyone in Nashville under the bus just because mainstream country radio sucks and Pat Green decided to change his style in the middle of his career. There’s still a lot of great music being made in Nashville, and a lot of great music being made in Texas. Let’s be thankful that we have the opportunity to hear a lot more of it on the radio than we did a decade ago, even if the execs of the record companies and big radio chains don’t acknowledge it.
Mameluke
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well said WestTx, i agree with everything you said
Westicles
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Well said WTA.

Your comment on Guy Clark got me thinking about other guys who have made a killing on other people recording their songs. One that comes too mind is Bruce Robison. On all of these "Texas Country" threads on here lately, I'm not sure I've seen his name often, if at all. That guy is nails. Great songwriter and singer IMO.
Westicles
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Beat me too it onearmy.
WestTxAg06
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Bruce Robison is a great example. I don't imagine he has any complaints about Tim McGraw and Faith Hill taking "Angry All The Time" to #1, regardless of his feelings on whether Tim and Faith have been good or bad for country music.
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