Led Zeppelin

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danw95
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more debunking and notes:

"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

Sounds nothing like Eddie Cochran's song. Possibly influenced slightly by, like a song in the back of your mind as you write a new one, but not anything that could be taken to court over, which plenty other cases are with Zeppelin.


"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

Hats off to Harper could correctly be called a cover of Shake Em On Down, but Custard Pie just takes some lines from a few blues songs and mases them into something new, just like their take on Travellin Riverside Blues which aside from three lines has nothing else to do with that particular Robert Johnson song.


"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations).

Howlin Wolf's song was How Many More Years really isnt that similar to HMMT other than the title, and in fact is typical of Plant borrowing from multiple songs including The Weavers, Sonny Boy Williamson, field recordings from Alan Lomax, The Hunter, all mashed into one. Much more complex than just stealing a song note for note. Should someone have been credited. yeah, but it doesn't harm the artistry in that song for me. They take all these blues influences and mash them into something new and their own, just like blues musicians had done for decades.


"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

Not even close. Listen to the original Girl I Love. Hahahaha! The riff from Moby Dick has the same chord structure of Zep's cover of it (found on the BBC sessions), but even that's not that close.

"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.



"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

From what I recall, you're ttalking like two lines that may be kind of similar. Since I've Been Loving You is Zep once again taking a million influences and creating something their own - it's bluesy but not blues, soulful but not soul...

"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.

chord structure similar to the opening intro, but even the guy from Spirit doesn't think Jimmy stole it. At best, Jimmy had heard it and it influenced him subconsciously, but this is not a blatant rip off.

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I remember flipping through stations and stopped on some old Western (I believe it was John Wayne movie), and there was some woman playing a guitar and singing pretty much the same exact song as "Gallow's Pole"
Aust Ag
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And how many 80's "hair bands" copied Plant's vocal stylings, and God, how many guitarist tried to copy Page in almost every respect, from the '70's until now?

If you want to "arrest" someone for plagerism, go get Blink-182 and all their followers for being bad copies of Green Day.
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I don't want to arrest anyone. I just think led zeps talent level has been over stated at times. As I posted before they took in my opinion a lot of average material and made it great.

And of course many in the 80's copied zep and made it average.
Jack Thauer
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i think they are somewhat overrated but man i cant wait to get home to listen to Zoso on record (got it in today)
danw95
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Me, not sure if they're under or over rated, but they were the greatest live band ever.

And if they're overrated, show me more than 3 covers of zeppelin songs that better the original. Other artists like the Beatles or Dylan are easier to cover and sometimes better because it's about the lyrics and the song structure, so there's more flexibility to take the song and mold it into your own. With Zeppelin, it's harder to do since a lot of what makes them special is the sound those four made together.
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I agree with Macarthur. Zep was a fine tuned engine.
riz98
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Yes, they are the greatest rock band of all time.


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The Lone Stranger
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I did listen to the intro. of "Taurus" by Spirit.
There is a similarity for about 5-8 seconds.

Look at the songs that are so much alike...

"Louie, Louie"
"Hand on Sloopy"
"Get Off My Cloud"

And the chord progression to "Watchtower" is probably one of the most used sequences in rock and roll.
yesno
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I have a recording of the Yardbirds in New York 1968 in which they do a song called "I'm Confused" that Page wrote. The audience went wild, despite the horrible rhythm section, because of Page and his bow. I have a bunch of that "roots of Zeppelin" stuff on CD, and now have no interest in hearing the originals, considering how Zep and their magical producer turned ok songs into classics.
yesno
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Hey Madman, do you play a musical instrument? If so, your comments about Zep are really stupid.
Macarthur
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Yea, I think it's comical that dudes on a college message board want to diss someone of the stature of Jimmy Page.
NITESIDE
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In their "heyday", I thought they were tied with the Who for best LIVE show and were hands down better albums...the Who just weren't that good in the studio to me...but, man, what a show.
Zep was hot, in the studio or in concert.
MLK_87
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I heard it said once that during the 70s, in high school, the stoners liked Zeppelin but the jocks liked The Who.
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Lathspell
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Okay... pulling up a thread form '08 to post that video made me laugh.
Belton Ag
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Lathspell said:

Okay... pulling up a thread form '08 to post that video made me laugh.


Stat Monitor Spilner.
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I missed this thread 16 years ago but with all the discussion about Led Zep stealing, I can say that I'm two degrees of separation away from Led Zep and I've heard a phrase credited to Jimmy Page - "Good musicians borrow, Great musicians steal".

Now I don't know if that was something he said in a private conversation or if it was something he said in an interview or it was a completely made up rumor but, I've heard it a few times. Just thought I'd share given all the discussion here.

As far as musical creativity, etc., I don't think there's anybody out there who Bonzo could have stole his work from.
maroon barchetta
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FJB said:

I agree with Macarthur. Zep was a fine tuned engine.


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