Corps of Cadets - an update

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Ensign Mayo
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Just want to share the latest gossip with those that care to know...I'll keep it short...

A handful of years ago, Gen Joe Ramirez became Commandant of the Corps. He hired several retired military guys as Cadet Training Officers (CTO's). This is basically like a military advisor except they actually train cadets how to be "better" (to their standards) and reprimand cadets as they see fit. Basically these guys are roaming around the Quad looking for things to correct. They are higher ranked than any Zip.

Gen Ramirez retired to VP of Student Affairs and was replaced as Commandant by Gen Patrick Michaelis. Gen Michaelis continued forward with the CTO model. As we know, Gen Michaelis was recently relieved. When Gen Michaelis was relieved, most people don't know this, but Gen Joe Ramirez was also relieved of his duties as VP of Student Affairs. These 2 guys were working hand in hand to change the Corps: CTO's + DEI. Just radical changes across the board that basically got them both fired. Last time I checked, Gen Ramirez was still on the website at his position, but from what I heard, the BOD voted unanimously to fire him back in July.

In fact, I heard recently that Gen Ramirez is actually still "on the job" and has recently filed another investigation into one of the top outfits in the Corps. I just don't understand how a guy that was fired 2.5 months ago for trying to change the Corps is still pulling strings on the Quad. It's a lot of politics if you ask me. Why hasn't Gen Welsh gotten rid of these guys if the BOR wants them fired??

The sad part about these CTO's is that they are correcting our cadets based on their experiences in the ARMY, NAVY, AIR Force, etc. As former cadets know, we are NOT the military here. Half of us are D&C. We do things a unique way, the Aggie Corps way, and it's worked for us for 100+ years. These CTO's are changing our traditions. They won't let the kids lead themselves. Won't give them room to fail. Don't like how Aggies do it? HWY 6 Runs Both Ways Fellas!!
Scoopen Skwert
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When I was still active duty I was showing family campus. Came across a cadet in uniform walking and talking on his cell phone and one hand in his pocket. I provided on the spot correction. You don't walk and talk on the phone in uniform and those pockets are not your pockets. They are Uncle Sam's pockets.
Aggie Dad 26
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I find it really hard to believe he's been fired if he's still there and listed on the website. Surly he's not there because he's got nothing else better to do?
Wolfpac 08
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Is he willing to break up the corp block? If so, I say give him a raise and tenure
scd88
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Pretty sure Ramirez has not been fired from his VP of Student Affairs role.
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The OP is pushing an agenda.
This was posted on the politics board as well.
Wolfpac 08
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Ragnar Danneskjoldd
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Scoopen Skwert said:

When I was still active duty I was showing family campus. Came across a cadet in uniform walking and talking on his cell phone and one hand in his pocket. I provided on the spot correction. You don't walk and talk on the phone in uniform and those pockets are not your pockets. They are Uncle Sam's pockets.


I hope this is an inside Corps joke, because as a former nco this is the gayest thing ive ever heard.
Anchorhold
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That wasn't short, but I think the op is.
bagger05
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Quote:

The sad part about these CTO's is that they are correcting our cadets based on their experiences in the ARMY, NAVY, AIR Force, etc. As former cadets know, we are NOT the military here. Half of us are D&C. We do things a unique way, the Aggie Corps way, and it's worked for us for 100+ years. These CTO's are changing our traditions. They won't let the kids lead themselves. Won't give them room to fail. Don't like how Aggies do it? HWY 6 Runs Both Ways Fellas!!

Counterpoint:

The natural result of "the kids leading themselves" has a compounding effect based on every year people taking things a LITTLE further. Until the "unique way, the Aggie Corps way" evolves into something that is completely freaking stupid and actually in opposition to the values the Corps is supposedly instilling in people.

Maybe the whole CTO thing isn't the right way, but I can tell you that when I was a cadet, the Corps didn't have NEARLY enough involvement from people who would apply a little critical thinking. So rather than things being challenged along the way, things would go unchecked until they got out of hand.

I think the Corps is great but there are big time Lord of the Flies vibes and they do need adult supervision.
RAB87
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Not aware of the accuracy of the OP's claim but TAMU has become deeply infected with liberal extremism and DEI. It is slowly being eradicated, but still a huge threat to Texas and to our constitutional republic.
maroon barchetta
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BOD?

You mean BOR?

That is not their call. They could tell Welsh to fire someone but they don't fire his direct reports.
hillcountryag86
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Scoopen Skwert said:

When I was still active duty I was showing family campus. Came across a cadet in uniform walking and talking on his cell phone and one hand in his pocket. I provided on the spot correction. You don't walk and talk on the phone in uniform and those pockets are not your pockets. They are Uncle Sam's pockets.
Wow. Nothing more impressive than some former CT going around the quad playing pisshead. You gotta feel good about that.

Remember the phrase, "Die Zip!"
Claude!
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hillcountryag86 said:

Scoopen Skwert said:

When I was still active duty I was showing family campus. Came across a cadet in uniform walking and talking on his cell phone and one hand in his pocket. I provided on the spot correction. You don't walk and talk on the phone in uniform and those pockets are not your pockets. They are Uncle Sam's pockets.
Wow. Nothing more impressive than some former CT going around the quad playing pisshead. You gotta feel good about that.

Remember the phrase, "Die Zip!"
Maybe it's German.
Ryan the Temp
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bagger05 said:

Quote:

The sad part about these CTO's is that they are correcting our cadets based on their experiences in the ARMY, NAVY, AIR Force, etc. As former cadets know, we are NOT the military here. Half of us are D&C. We do things a unique way, the Aggie Corps way, and it's worked for us for 100+ years. These CTO's are changing our traditions. They won't let the kids lead themselves. Won't give them room to fail. Don't like how Aggies do it? HWY 6 Runs Both Ways Fellas!!

Counterpoint:

The natural result of "the kids leading themselves" has a compounding effect based on every year people taking things a LITTLE further. Until the "unique way, the Aggie Corps way" evolves into something that is completely freaking stupid and actually in opposition to the values the Corps is supposedly instilling in people.

Maybe the whole CTO thing isn't the right way, but I can tell you that when I was a cadet, the Corps didn't have NEARLY enough involvement from people who would apply a little critical thinking. So rather than things being challenged along the way, things would go unchecked until they got out of hand.

I think the Corps is great but there are big time Lord of the Flies vibes and they do need adult supervision.
If allowed to go unchecked long enough it ends up looking like the Stanford Prison Experiment.
HeyAbbott
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This post certainly wasn't short.
Ghost of Bisbee
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OP trying to stir **** when there's no **** to stir

Come on, OP. What's your angle?
Aggie Dad 26
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Ghost of Bisbee said:

OP trying to stir **** when there's no **** to stir

Come on, OP. What's your angle?


It all starts with a massage
histag10
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My husband's old outfit was one that got the axe, despite having high academic marks and several cadets in leadership positions of several organizations.
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