I drank A LOT. Wouldn't be a path I'd recommend but worked for me at the time.
swc93 said:
We all spend at least some time as Meat Puppets.
Researchers say 40% of the people with PTSD have addictions. I am not proud to say I was a functional alcoholic with PTSD. What a horrific combination.Hoosegow said:
I drank A LOT. Wouldn't be a path I'd recommend but worked for me at the time.
Yes, highlighted where you nailed it.713nervy said:
I'm not going to give you advice (on anything but tapas), since that's not what you asked for and there's already great advice that's been offered - things my therapist would share with
What you're going through sounds really freaking hard. I don't know what it's like to have (effectively) lost a child or to navigate care for a children in the way that you've described, but I make up that it's a rollercoaster of feeling some combination of grief, anger, frustration, helplessness, isolation, resentment and maybe even guilt or shame - sometimes all at once. It must be a special hell having to experience even one of the things you've described, let alone all of them at once.
When I've experienced those intense times in my life where everything falls apart, my whole world narrows to whatever is happening and everything else blurs into the background. I become hyper-fixated and eventually become numb, rudderless as you described. There's a lot of going through the motions as I felt completely hollow. You only have so much to give before you're empty and just trying to make it from one day to the next.
So yes, comparing it to having died or describing it as a death of self makes sense to me. Life is really hard and completely sucks sometimes. It sounds like this is one of those times for you.
Tanker123 said:Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:The worst-case scenario is LaDonna is destined to die with a broken heart. I have read grief evolves and changes over time. She is on a path and journey that is unknown to us to include the destination. She amazes me. Despite her infinite sadness, she still functions as a wife, friend, and employee at the hospital.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:I carry a cross because my wife has severe PTSD caused by the death of our daughter a couple years ago. Irony is I have helped many people with PTSD, but I can't help my wife materially because I can't help her get rid of the trauma. The best I can do is to tell and show her that I love her and alleviate the burdens of life by committing to doing all the domestic tasks like cooking, cleaning, shopping, washing cars, and the yard work. I am remiss and should research trauma and ways to get rid of it.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:Are you there too sir?Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:Likewise you as well. I am so happy that I got a second lease on life. I can feel love and see beauty again. This is the best I can get - healing 160 degrees. Chasing the last 20 degrees is indefeasible.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:You will never fly the same again because your wings have changed. This is how I changed:Tex117 said:
No. You will absolutely never be the same person again. A part of the tapestry of your soul has been ripped out. You will never be put together the same way again. But that doesn't mean you can't be whole.
If anything, you will have gained a super power. You are changed. Stronger. And more importantly, you will be able to see beauty more vividly as it contrasts against the backdrop of pain. It seems that the beauty of life can only be truly witnessed through the lens of pain.
You insight into life will change. What matters. What doesn't.
Your insight into friends will change. Some, you realize are just fun to drink beer with, others will get down in the trench with you.
You will wrestle with the meaning of existence. Whether it matters or not. Whether life has meaning or it doesn't. Maybe get to the point where that question is immaterial and focus on what you do every day because what you do everyday is how you spend your life. One that will end. Maybe you seek Gods help with this, maybe not.
We can't see the arc of our lives while in it. All we can do is try and fill it with what we deem meaningful to us.
- Lost my passion for fishing and cooking.
- My memory is horrible.
- I am a bit numb to life.
- I have become quite humble.
- More sense of compassion.
- Sometimes I don't see and hear things properly, thus I am super careful when I drive.
- I still have a few racing thoughts.
- I was able to forgive myself.
- I often wake up somewhat depressed.
However, this is infinitely better than having severe PTSD. I don't think about my existence and survival anymore, nor do I want to trade a limb for my mind and life back. I healed myself 160 degrees and use the methodology to help others with PTSD.
Man, all in all, this doesn't sound too bad! (I think some of this is just becoming an old man), amigo!)
I go back and forth on some of those. Interests ebb and flow. In the end, I'm stoked to be alive in all its meaningful and meaningless glory.
Sounds like you are getting there!
Ehh. Whats life anyway without a little bleeding? 160 seems like a fine percentage. Cheers my man.
I try not and think about it in terms of "degrees of healing." That implies I can get back to where I was. I can't. And I can't say I want to either. Like you said, this has made me more compassionate, more thoughtful, more relatable to some people, more "adult" in many ways, and a wisdom (or at least a pondering of life) gained earlier than many.
For me, the absence of parents love, that unconditional love that is unique and only given by them is a loss that will forever be felt and mourned. But there is also a freedom in that. A life now that without question your own with no "safety net." Life is scarier and more thrilling. As is the very concept of love.
I'm just closer to the veil nowadays.
Obviously, the loss of child ranks highest on the hierarchy of grief. I know… everyone's grief is different, but still, this is outside the natural order (or at least how we believe the world orders itself). It's hard to even fathom the pain and loss you are your wife have had to endure.
Your comment about not being able to "help" your wife reminded me of this quote from A river Runs Through It. (Starts about 42 seconds in). Essentially, it's harder to help those who are closest to us.
But I'm sure you are helping. In ways she likely can't even register at this point.
I am coming out of retirement to start my second career with the goal of making enough, so she can retire for good. My goal is to earn enough to tell her lets go to Japan for 30 days. Perhaps that would bring her some happiness and enjoyment.
You are an incredible husband. Dying with a broken heart… my goodness. I hope that is not her fate, or yours.
The depth of sorrow a parent, particularly a mother, is beyond intense. I hope she is seeking a professional to help her navigate that darkness. That has a risk of swallowing one whole.
You have clearly found meaning in taking care of your wife. Has she found meaning?
She sees a psychologist. However, psychologists and therapists are a mixed bag of professionals with great variances in ability to help people with heal with PTSD. The process is a conglomeration of subjectivity, theories, professional education, and empathy or the lack of it.
I retired from the army with severe PTSD, and I can say with candor none of my psychologists and therapists helped me heal even remotely for several years. I healed myself 160 degrees. However, I do not blame them because it's not their fault that some have no empathy because they have not experienced PTSD.
Tex117, I wrote a PTSD healing book. Would you like to read it? It's a free PDF file. I wrote it a few months before I retired from the army, thus it was written in haste. My overriding objective was finishing it before I retired. I am endeavoring in a rewrite now.
Email me at AJourneyOfHealingPTSD@gmail.com. I charge nothing for this edition. It has helped many civilians and veterans heal 160 degrees.tandy miller said:Tanker123 said:Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:The worst-case scenario is LaDonna is destined to die with a broken heart. I have read grief evolves and changes over time. She is on a path and journey that is unknown to us to include the destination. She amazes me. Despite her infinite sadness, she still functions as a wife, friend, and employee at the hospital.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:I carry a cross because my wife has severe PTSD caused by the death of our daughter a couple years ago. Irony is I have helped many people with PTSD, but I can't help my wife materially because I can't help her get rid of the trauma. The best I can do is to tell and show her that I love her and alleviate the burdens of life by committing to doing all the domestic tasks like cooking, cleaning, shopping, washing cars, and the yard work. I am remiss and should research trauma and ways to get rid of it.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:Are you there too sir?Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:Likewise you as well. I am so happy that I got a second lease on life. I can feel love and see beauty again. This is the best I can get - healing 160 degrees. Chasing the last 20 degrees is indefeasible.Tex117 said:Tanker123 said:You will never fly the same again because your wings have changed. This is how I changed:Tex117 said:
No. You will absolutely never be the same person again. A part of the tapestry of your soul has been ripped out. You will never be put together the same way again. But that doesn't mean you can't be whole.
If anything, you will have gained a super power. You are changed. Stronger. And more importantly, you will be able to see beauty more vividly as it contrasts against the backdrop of pain. It seems that the beauty of life can only be truly witnessed through the lens of pain.
You insight into life will change. What matters. What doesn't.
Your insight into friends will change. Some, you realize are just fun to drink beer with, others will get down in the trench with you.
You will wrestle with the meaning of existence. Whether it matters or not. Whether life has meaning or it doesn't. Maybe get to the point where that question is immaterial and focus on what you do every day because what you do everyday is how you spend your life. One that will end. Maybe you seek Gods help with this, maybe not.
We can't see the arc of our lives while in it. All we can do is try and fill it with what we deem meaningful to us.
- Lost my passion for fishing and cooking.
- My memory is horrible.
- I am a bit numb to life.
- I have become quite humble.
- More sense of compassion.
- Sometimes I don't see and hear things properly, thus I am super careful when I drive.
- I still have a few racing thoughts.
- I was able to forgive myself.
- I often wake up somewhat depressed.
However, this is infinitely better than having severe PTSD. I don't think about my existence and survival anymore, nor do I want to trade a limb for my mind and life back. I healed myself 160 degrees and use the methodology to help others with PTSD.
Man, all in all, this doesn't sound too bad! (I think some of this is just becoming an old man), amigo!)
I go back and forth on some of those. Interests ebb and flow. In the end, I'm stoked to be alive in all its meaningful and meaningless glory.
Sounds like you are getting there!
Ehh. Whats life anyway without a little bleeding? 160 seems like a fine percentage. Cheers my man.
I try not and think about it in terms of "degrees of healing." That implies I can get back to where I was. I can't. And I can't say I want to either. Like you said, this has made me more compassionate, more thoughtful, more relatable to some people, more "adult" in many ways, and a wisdom (or at least a pondering of life) gained earlier than many.
For me, the absence of parents love, that unconditional love that is unique and only given by them is a loss that will forever be felt and mourned. But there is also a freedom in that. A life now that without question your own with no "safety net." Life is scarier and more thrilling. As is the very concept of love.
I'm just closer to the veil nowadays.
Obviously, the loss of child ranks highest on the hierarchy of grief. I know… everyone's grief is different, but still, this is outside the natural order (or at least how we believe the world orders itself). It's hard to even fathom the pain and loss you are your wife have had to endure.
Your comment about not being able to "help" your wife reminded me of this quote from A river Runs Through It. (Starts about 42 seconds in). Essentially, it's harder to help those who are closest to us.
But I'm sure you are helping. In ways she likely can't even register at this point.
I am coming out of retirement to start my second career with the goal of making enough, so she can retire for good. My goal is to earn enough to tell her lets go to Japan for 30 days. Perhaps that would bring her some happiness and enjoyment.
You are an incredible husband. Dying with a broken heart… my goodness. I hope that is not her fate, or yours.
The depth of sorrow a parent, particularly a mother, is beyond intense. I hope she is seeking a professional to help her navigate that darkness. That has a risk of swallowing one whole.
You have clearly found meaning in taking care of your wife. Has she found meaning?
She sees a psychologist. However, psychologists and therapists are a mixed bag of professionals with great variances in ability to help people with heal with PTSD. The process is a conglomeration of subjectivity, theories, professional education, and empathy or the lack of it.
I retired from the army with severe PTSD, and I can say with candor none of my psychologists and therapists helped me heal even remotely for several years. I healed myself 160 degrees. However, I do not blame them because it's not their fault that some have no empathy because they have not experienced PTSD.
Tex117, I wrote a PTSD healing book. Would you like to read it? It's a free PDF file. I wrote it a few months before I retired from the army, thus it was written in haste. My overriding objective was finishing it before I retired. I am endeavoring in a rewrite now.
I would like to read this also
I am grateful for the opportunity to be a tanker. I studied the TACSOP relentlessly until I knew it like the back of my hand.Green2Maroon said:
At least there are two of us tankers on here. Boom boom!
CoachtobeNamed$$$ said:
My fathers career was as a CPA. After he retired from his firm he wanted something to do. I hired him as CFO of my company. Over several years he embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars with the full support and encouragement from my mother. After I busted him my mother informed me that I "owed them". Apparently, they never collected from any of my siblings and from what I understand some of the embezzled money was spread around to them.
I did have some blessings in life. Nothing I did, while growing up, was ever good enough for my dad. When it was good enough he took credit for it. BUT, I did have an awesome grandfather and uncle on my mother's side. My grandfather was a dirt poor farmer. From age six I spent my summers staying with my grandparents and working in the cotton fields from dawn to dark. I loved it. My Big Daddy and Uncle JL were full of encouragement and they are the ones I credit for developing my work ethic. I left A&M a few credit hours away from two degrees….one in accounting and one in business management. I found a business opportunity and timing was of the essence. It paid off very well.Sea Speed said:CoachtobeNamed$$$ said:
My fathers career was as a CPA. After he retired from his firm he wanted something to do. I hired him as CFO of my company. Over several years he embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars with the full support and encouragement from my mother. After I busted him my mother informed me that I "owed them". Apparently, they never collected from any of my siblings and from what I understand some of the embezzled money was spread around to them.
Wow. I can not imagine the level of betrayal that you feel. Unbelievable.
I developed the "Pistol Range Analogy" to help people with anxiety. Mentally visit a pistol range. In theory the closest targets are the most important or dangerous and easiest to hit. Therefore, hit the closest targets first. Assume the effective range of the pistol is 50 meters. Each target is a stressor. The targets range from 25, 50, 100 meters. The 25-meter target represents stressors that must be addressed relatively quickly. The 50-meter target represents stressors that must be addressed perhaps a week to two weeks in the future. The 100-meter target represents stressors several months away. Put the 100-meter targets on the back burner. You can't hit them now anyway.AgsMyDude said:
Very high. And also developing that skill. It's like life on hard mode.
Regular Therapy, meditation, CBD, certain vitamins/minerals I'm deficient in is my current regiment. Just hit 250 consecutive meditation days on the Headspace app.
If I don't do the things above and some negative life events happen, my brain goes to hell. I get panic attacks, drop weight and enter survival mode.
Sucks.
Tanker123 said:
Any of you have a high level of anxiety? I have developed a coping skill for it.
BBRex said:Tanker123 said:
Any of you have a high level of anxiety? I have developed a coping skill for it.
In some ways, yes. I have a lot of internal conflict over who I am and what I should do to fit in. I get way into my head and overthink things a lot. I was a bit of a nerd and didn't fit in socially with other folks for most of my life. I really worry about the people I'm around and how can I blend into my surroundings.
Thank you for the support. All the proceeds go to Victory For Veterans. It is chartered to stand-up world-class centers across the country to support the critical needs of veterans and first responders. The organization also endeavors to prevent suicides.BiggiesLX said:
What is the link to your cookbook you've mentioned in other threads?
NMAgsMyDude said:
Sounds interesting, I'll give it a shot!
However my anxiety is less about stressors and more about my body's reaction to them. My mind is amazing at going straight to worse case scenarios in milliseconds, even my therapist is impressed.
Therapy and meditation is allowing me to learn to create space between stressors and my mind's reaction to them.