Do you think people will be listening to Metallica or Cranberries in the 2080s? In theory we listen to music going back centuries, just replayed with modern instruments. Now we are capable of storing music which in theory can be transferred to a new medium as technology changes.
How will original music from specific decades fade away?
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Hinder will reign forever.
probably
When all are one, and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
To be a rock and not to roll
lancevance said:
Do you think people will be listening to Metallica or Cranberries in the 2080s? In theory we listen to music going back centuries, just replayed with modern instruments. Now we are capable of storing music which in theory can be transferred to a new medium as technology changes.
I was born in the 1970s, so there's a small chance I'll still be around in the 2080s, and my answer is yes Metallica, no Cranberries. Expect to hear Van Halen, Guns n Roses, and the excited screams of many a young nurse from my wing of the retirement home, also.
Everything will fade away except Winger, Creed and Nickleback.
Kids may recognize the names Metallica or The Cranberries, but they don't seek them out to listen to with any regularity.
Just as growing up I wasn't listening to Count Basie or Perry Como as my Grandparents did in the 40's.
Some parts of songs like chord progressions or lyrics will persist but 50 years from now they'll be in a pile of generally forgotten music along with the likes of Winger, Barbara Mandrell and LL Cool J.
Just as growing up I wasn't listening to Count Basie or Perry Como as my Grandparents did in the 40's.
Some parts of songs like chord progressions or lyrics will persist but 50 years from now they'll be in a pile of generally forgotten music along with the likes of Winger, Barbara Mandrell and LL Cool J.
I didn't see your mention of Winger prior to my post. I immediately retract my statement as I have clearly underestimated their staying power!!
Every era of music goes through a resurgence when nostalgia hits for that time period, but eventually that ends and is only listened to by the people that grew up in that era. By 2080, music of the 1980s and 1990s will listened to for more historical purposes than for actual enjoyment.
Bruce Almighty said:
Every era of music goes through a resurgence when nostalgia hits for that time period, but eventually that ends and is only listened to by the people that grew up in that era. By 2080, music of the 1980s and 1990s will listened to for more historical purposes than for actual enjoyment.
Now in this song, our singer is celebrating what was then called a "car" or also an automobile. They were largely primitive tech, were slow and polluted the environment. However they did afford ancient man to leave their problems behind. Ofcourse now we know that that two wheeled human powered bicycle is the best form of transportation.
I was listening to LL Cool J's 1985 album "Radio" this morning, thank you very much.
while not good, creed and nickleback are better than 99% of music made since 2000Ghost91 said:
Everything will fade away except Winger, Creed and Nickleback.
Get back to me in 50 years and let's see how Ladies Love Cool James is trending on Spotify.
No way, man. We're gonna keep rockin on forever....forever....forever....
I think it's likely that music that stands the test of time might not necessarily be what was most popular in it's day. I could see music with great vocals before the invention of autotune becoming more appreciated in the future. Another might be unique music like Explosions in the Sky.
I've wondered if increasing scientific studies will eventually stumble on particular rhythms that trigger or mimic neurological patterns, making older music that had those patterns buried in them to become popular in the distant future.
I've wondered if increasing scientific studies will eventually stumble on particular rhythms that trigger or mimic neurological patterns, making older music that had those patterns buried in them to become popular in the distant future.
Most old songs that are good just get re-recorded every couple decades by the new artist of the day, and everyone acts like it's the greatest thing. Expect that to continue forever.
Stones might still be touring.
Oh well, wherever, wherever you are
Iron Maiden's gonna get you, no matter how far
See the blood flow watching it shed up above my head
Iron Maiden wants you for dead
Iron Maiden's gonna get you, no matter how far
See the blood flow watching it shed up above my head
Iron Maiden wants you for dead
I don't know that Metallica will be in wide circulation but will be known as classics in many circles.
Songs like Linger and Dreams are more made for mass consumption so probably have a greater chance of hanging on in the rotation.
Songs like Linger and Dreams are more made for mass consumption so probably have a greater chance of hanging on in the rotation.
Ha! Check out this clip of Straight No Chaser performing "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" where they use pop-up video style tags to explain lyrics young people wouldn't understand.lancevance said:
Now in this song, our singer is celebrating what was then called a "car" or also an automobile. They were largely primitive tech, were slow and polluted the environment. However they did afford ancient man to leave their problems behind. Ofcourse now we know that that two wheeled human powered bicycle is the best form of transportation.
since metallica was mentioned several times on the thread...
Seeing metallica last night and friday night, I noticed an uptick in young attendees for sure.
Just right around me I saw 4-5 kids under 10, then in the pit friday night, a handful more.
If they like it, they like it, and will listen to it. And then just like themselves, they will introduce their kids to it. It might shrink a bit every generation once Metallica is actually gone (which might still be 20 years away), but in 60 years they will still absolutely be listened to. They have the advantage of actually releasing music for 40 years (maybe 50 or more), so it's not 100% legacy act. Every new album (now 30 years after the black album which they peaked commercially), there are preteens and teens that hear 'new' metallica, and like it, and become a fan.
Seeing metallica last night and friday night, I noticed an uptick in young attendees for sure.
Just right around me I saw 4-5 kids under 10, then in the pit friday night, a handful more.
If they like it, they like it, and will listen to it. And then just like themselves, they will introduce their kids to it. It might shrink a bit every generation once Metallica is actually gone (which might still be 20 years away), but in 60 years they will still absolutely be listened to. They have the advantage of actually releasing music for 40 years (maybe 50 or more), so it's not 100% legacy act. Every new album (now 30 years after the black album which they peaked commercially), there are preteens and teens that hear 'new' metallica, and like it, and become a fan.
It's better to burn out 'cause rust never sleeps
I agree they will be listened to, just not very much. Maybe if it is on some soundtrack to a movie or something.Quote:
once Metallica is actually gone (which might still be 20 years away), but in 60 years they will still absolutely be listened to.
I remember being a kid getting dragged to a Beach Boys concert with my Mom when they played at Auditorium Shores in Austin. (The "Kokomo" tour in the 80's) I'd compare this to some Gen X folks bringing their kids along to the aging rock star shows of today.
The Beach Boys were HUGE in the 60's, more mainstream than Metallica & virtually no one under the age of 65 listens to them on even a semiregular basis. Music tastes especially in the Rock genre have changed, kids listen to hip hop or bro country way. Hurts me to say, but mainstream rock music has been dying for 15-20 years & I doubt it ever makes a comeback. It's going the way of Jazz, Big Bands & Crooners like Sinatra.
I think some of y'all over overestimating the staying power of popular culture.
The shows that were big in the 80's/90's aren't watched by kids these days (Cheers, Seinfeld)
I would argue popular entertainment has less staying power than ever before because there is so much more out there to choose from.
I grew up with 4 channels for a good part of my youth. Probably wouldn't have watched Sanford & Son ever if I had some on demand specific kid show like what is available now.
Sad But TrueApache said:I agree they will be listened to, just not very much. Maybe if it is on some soundtrack to a movie or something.Quote:
once Metallica is actually gone (which might still be 20 years away), but in 60 years they will still absolutely be listened to.
I remember being a kid getting dragged to a Beach Boys concert with my Mom when they played at Auditorium Shores in Austin. (The "Kokomo" tour in the 80's) I'd compare this to some Gen X folks bringing their kids along to the aging rock star shows of today.
The Beach Boys were HUGE in the 60's, more mainstream than Metallica & virtually no one under the age of 65 listens to them on even a semiregular basis. Music tastes especially in the Rock genre have changed, kids listen to hip hop or bro country way. Hurts me to say, but mainstream rock music has been dying for 15-20 years & I doubt it ever makes a comeback. It's going the way of Jazz, Big Bands & Crooners like Sinatra.
I think some of y'all over overestimating the staying power of popular culture.
The shows that were big in the 80's/90's aren't watched by kids these days (Cheers, Seinfeld)
I would argue popular entertainment has less staying power than ever before because there is so much more out there to choose from.
I grew up with 4 channels for a good part of my youth. Probably wouldn't have watched Sanford & Son ever if I had some on demand specific kid show like what is available now.
look at the master of puppets resurgence that happened with stranger things. To the top of the charts. That wasn't a bunch of long time metallica fans hearing it and all of a sudden going out to buy it. It was a new legion of fans.Apache said:I agree they will be listened to, just not very much. Maybe if it is on some soundtrack to a movie or something.Quote:
once Metallica is actually gone (which might still be 20 years away), but in 60 years they will still absolutely be listened to.
I remember being a kid getting dragged to a Beach Boys concert with my Mom when they played at Auditorium Shores in Austin. (The "Kokomo" tour in the 80's) I'd compare this to some Gen X folks bringing their kids along to the aging rock star shows of today.
The Beach Boys were HUGE in the 60's, more mainstream than Metallica & virtually no one under the age of 65 listens to them on even a semiregular basis. Music tastes especially in the Rock genre have changed, kids listen to hip hop or bro country way. Hurts me to say, but mainstream rock music has been dying for 15-20 years & I doubt it ever makes a comeback. It's going the way of Jazz, Big Bands & Crooners like Sinatra.
I think some of y'all over overestimating the staying power of popular culture.
The shows that were big in the 80's/90's aren't watched by kids these days (Cheers, Seinfeld)
I would argue popular entertainment has less staying power than ever before because there is so much more out there to choose from.
I grew up with 4 channels for a good part of my youth. Probably wouldn't have watched Sanford & Son ever if I had some on demand specific kid show like what is available now.
That can happen at any time.
Like Wayne's world and queen.
I think is far from dead. It's been 30+ years of heavy music, and these Danny wimmer festivals and European festivals, much of it is modern' hard rock (2000s and later)
The genre of beach boys didn't continue for 30 years.
I just met the dude from ice nine kills who opened for metallica; I've never even heard of them (I'm the middle aged man there for metallica) but apparently they just headlined red rocks back in June. That's a lot of people.
I just saw ghost headline in a full 20k seat pavilion a few weeks ago. And slipknot fill up an arena, and opeth fill up red rocks, and muse fill arena.
These are bands that earlier in their career (all post 2000s), were playing clubs, then a theater…
They are not a dying breed.
You need to listen to the SiriusXM Octane channel then. They love Ice Nine Kills.
AliasMan02 said:
I don't know that Metallica will be in wide circulation but will be known as classics in many circles.
Songs like Linger and Dreams are more made for mass consumption so probably have a greater chance of hanging on in the rotation.
In 50 years, the most popular songs will be Metallica covers using whiny, autotune vocals.
Funny you mentioned old sitcoms. I found some old clips of "Soap" on YouTube. I had forgotten how edgy/offensive that show could be, particularly the ventriloquist Chuck and Bob. He would have fit right in on South Park.
Also watched some old clips of the Jeffersons where both black and white actors used the n-word.
Also watched some old clips of the Jeffersons where both black and white actors used the n-word.
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But if you look at what is getting airplay on radio or Billboard charts, rock is nowhere to be seen.
Charts/Radio aren't everything, but it is more of an indicator of what is popular than crowds at a concert.
I don't see/hear any new/young/innovative rock bands coming up that are getting major play. Sort of Greta Van Fleet but they are a one off. The metal bands you mentioned have a small fanatical following, but nothing overall like dozens of kick ass rock groups selling out arenas every weekend everywhere from the early 70s to the mid/late 90's.
Apple Music has 4-5 random rock songs from the 70's-early 90's scattered in the Top 150, but nothing new. This is based on what people are downloading, not charts or airplay. 4-5 songs out of 150 and trending down is a dying breed. I wish it wasn't... but it is what it is.
To be fair that "run up the hill' song went to the top of the charts too. I don't think a one time Spotify surge is indicative of a new legion of fans.Quote:
look at the master of puppets resurgence that happened with stranger things. To the top of the charts. That wasn't a bunch of long time metallica fans hearing it and all of a sudden going out to buy it. It was a new legion of fans.
Queen is pretty remarkable, probably nothing else like it IMO. In addition to Wayne's World, they had the "Happy Feet" movie boost, then the "Bohemian Rhapsody" movie gave them another shot in the arm. Fat Bottom Girls is now trending thanks to the idiotic attempt to cancel the song. (Any Pub is good pub rule)Quote:
That can happen at any time.
Like Wayne's world and queen.
I would love it if you were right. Tours like Aerosmith, The Stones, etc. still pack them in by the tens of thousands. (I'm seeing Aerosmith & Black Crowes in a couple of months myself)Quote:
These are bands that earlier in their career (all post 2000s), were playing clubs, then a theater…
They are not a dying breed.
But if you look at what is getting airplay on radio or Billboard charts, rock is nowhere to be seen.
Charts/Radio aren't everything, but it is more of an indicator of what is popular than crowds at a concert.
I don't see/hear any new/young/innovative rock bands coming up that are getting major play. Sort of Greta Van Fleet but they are a one off. The metal bands you mentioned have a small fanatical following, but nothing overall like dozens of kick ass rock groups selling out arenas every weekend everywhere from the early 70s to the mid/late 90's.
Apple Music has 4-5 random rock songs from the 70's-early 90's scattered in the Top 150, but nothing new. This is based on what people are downloading, not charts or airplay. 4-5 songs out of 150 and trending down is a dying breed. I wish it wasn't... but it is what it is.
agnerd said:
Most old songs that are good just get re-recorded every couple decades by the new artist of the day, and everyone acts like it's the greatest thing. Expect that to continue forever.
David Lee Roth had a nice run with "Just a Gigolo"
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It's better to burn out than to fade away
It's better to burn out than to fade away
I guess I don't equate success to album sales. Bands haven't made money that way in a hot minute.Apache said:
.To be fair that "run up the hill' song went to the top of the charts too. I don't think a one time Spotify surge is indicative of a new legion of fans.Quote:
look at the master of puppets resurgence that happened with stranger things. To the top of the charts. That wasn't a bunch of long time metallica fans hearing it and all of a sudden going out to buy it. It was a new legion of fans.Queen is pretty remarkable, probably nothing else like it IMO. In addition to Wayne's World, they had the "Happy Feet" movie boost, then the "Bohemian Rhapsody" movie gave them another shot in the arm. Fat Bottom Girls is now trending thanks to the idiotic attempt to cancel the song. (Any Pub is good pub rule)Quote:
That can happen at any time.
Like Wayne's world and queen.I would love it if you were right. Tours like Aerosmith, The Stones, etc. still pack them in by the tens of thousands. (I'm seeing Aerosmith & Black Crowes in a couple of months myself)Quote:
These are bands that earlier in their career (all post 2000s), were playing clubs, then a theater…
They are not a dying breed.
But if you look at what is getting airplay on radio or Billboard charts, rock is nowhere to be seen.
Charts/Radio aren't everything, but it is more of an indicator of what is popular than crowds at a concert.
I don't see/hear any new/young/innovative rock bands coming up that are getting major play. Sort of Greta Van Fleet but they are a one off. The metal bands you mentioned have a small fanatical following, but nothing overall like dozens of kick ass rock groups selling out arenas every weekend everywhere from the early 70s to the mid/late 90's.
Apple Music has 4-5 random rock songs from the 70's-early 90's scattered in the Top 150, but nothing new. This is based on what people are downloading, not charts or airplay. 4-5 songs out of 150 and trending down is a dying breed. I wish it wasn't... but it is what it is.
Success to a rock band today is a full arena/pavilion I would think.
Coming to Denver to 10k+ venues;
Shinedown
Avengers sevenfold
Mudvayne
Gojira/mastodon
Queens of the Stone Age
These bands are far beyond driving across the country in van. They are making a rockstar living in a modern era.
I'm sorry but those bands don't have the appeal of big rock bands from years past. They make make a nice living with tours but overall the obvious trend for rock is downward based on all metrics.
None of the bands you mentioned are among the top grossing tours, radio play, downloads, album sales or anything else. You can't compare them with the reach & popularity of Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam, Kiss etc. back in the day.
It's sucks because it's what I grew up listening to, but it's the truth.
None of the bands you mentioned are among the top grossing tours, radio play, downloads, album sales or anything else. You can't compare them with the reach & popularity of Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam, Kiss etc. back in the day.
It's sucks because it's what I grew up listening to, but it's the truth.
Lincoln Park will always be cool.
I guess I'm not sure what you're after...Apache said:
I'm sorry but those bands don't have the appeal of big rock bands from years past. They make make a nice living with tours but overall the obvious trend for rock is downward based on all metrics.
None of the bands you mentioned are among the top grossing tours, radio play, downloads, album sales or anything else. You can't compare them with the reach & popularity of Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam, Kiss etc. back in the day.
It's sucks because it's what I grew up listening to, but it's the truth.
Singer of disturbed just listed his $5.5m home on the market this year. Is he a household name like EVH? No, surely not.. but he's a huge rockstar by nearly all accounts. Owning a $5m home is a few steps above a 'making a nice living'.
Your examples are the top of the top. The list of bands with the reach/sales of VH, GNR, Kiss.. it's a very small list. Of course most bands won't reach that level.
Another thing, these 70s rockstars have had 5 decades of royalties. A modern band hasn't had this opportunity yet. But they will, and those sales numbers/reach will likely continue to grow.
Shinedown has more #1s on rock charts than any band in history. Even VH, or Kiss, or anybody. Not sure how you can say they don't have reach. Someone is listening to/buying that band.
I guess I don't understand why you equate a lot of hard rock shows coming to towns, in large venues, to a downtrend in rock. Maybe it's not as prevalent as the 70s or 80s, but it's a lot more than what the late 90s and early 2000s had. That is when hard rock was dying, and it's far more prevalent today than 20-25 years ago.
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