So, we stayed at the Texas A&M Hotel this weekend. What do you think of my complaint?

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NoahAg
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 2:31p, 7/5/23
Seven Costanza said:
This is pool

Look at all the dangers surrounding the pool:

-A kid could fall off that brick wall and crack their skull.
-The metal handrail can get very hot in the sun. Kid can get burned.
-The entire pool is in the sun! What if a parent doesn't apply sunscreen to their kid every 20 minutes? They can get severely burned.
-I don't see a single water fountain. Dehydration is serious. Who is watching to make sure everyone is drinking enough?
-Venomous snakes and spiders might be in those shrubs.
-The curtains on the canopy are just waiting for a kid to strangle.
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2:32p, 7/5/23
Something tells me that letter has already been "filed".
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In reply to NoahAg • 2:50p, 7/5/23
NoahAg said:
Seven Costanza said:
This is pool

Look at all the dangers surrounding the pool:

-A kid could fall off that brick wall and crack their skull.
-The metal handrail can get very hot in the sun. Kid can get burned.
-The entire pool is in the sun! What if a parent doesn't apply sunscreen to their kid every 20 minutes? They can get severely burned.
-I don't see a single water fountain. Dehydration is serious. Who is watching to make sure everyone is drinking enough?
-Venomous snakes and spiders might be in those shrubs.
-The curtains on the canopy are just waiting for a kid to strangle.
You forgot to mention:
-It is on a rooftop, someone could fall off the roof completely to the ground below.
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3:39p, 7/5/23
what an odd flex staying at the A&M hotel.
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3:55p, 7/5/23
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When did we become a zero risk based society? I climbed up the high dive barefoot not tied off to anything when I was a kid. What if I had a muscle cramp or missed a rung? Now we can't have chairs in pools?
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In reply to OldAg92 • 4:54p, 7/5/23
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O ldAg92 said:
Honest question - how would a child get underneath the chair in the first place but then be trapped and unable to get back out? Seems the point of entry would also be a point of exit
I had a huge post that explained this but accidentally deleted the thing before I could post it. So here is a quicker version.

Have you ever put on a ring that was just slightly too small and immediately tried to get it off? Much easier to push that thing on than pull it off, right? It hurts more to pull it off and you can see how your skin bunches up as it is pulled through the ring.

Now imagine doing that with your head and getting your ears through the hole. You pull you head back through the hole and your ears stick out and try to fold forward towards your face. Really painful and your head might just be too big to fit back through the hole with the extra diameter of your ears folded forward.

It's like an electrical connector on a car that you have to push the tab down to disconnect. Your ears are the tabs.

Add water covering your mouth and nose to the situation and you have much less time to get out. If you gasp at the pain or in fear, you've already started drowning. You can't scream for help because your mouth is under water. You won't be heard and you're going to inhale water. You can kick your legs and splash your arms but most adults will think you are just playing in the very shallow water. If you become still, they will think you're just resting in the very shallow water that nobody would think is a drowning danger. You'll drown in full sight of attentive adults because they just don't comprehend that an object in a pool is holding you underwater.

A previous post listed other dangers at the pool. Almost any normal adult would know those dangers, mostly because we have been educated about them through school (use sunscreen to prevent skin cancer) or through our own stupidity (jumped off a wall into the pool and hurt ourselves). Most adults have never dealt with entrapment dangers on dry land let alone in water situations. That's why the situation needs to fixed now.

As mentioned before, I'm an old lifeguard and seen some stupid stuff in pools.

Stepping down off of my soapbox now. Thanks for reading my screed.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 4:58p, 7/5/23
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Seven Costanza said:
This is pool




If I was a toddler I would want to play under that bridge under the chairs. Looks like fun until I drowned
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In reply to Txhuntr • 5:13p, 7/5/23
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Txhuntr said:
When did we become a zero risk based society? I climbed up the high dive barefoot not tied off to anything when I was a kid. What if I had a muscle cramp or missed a rung? Now we can't have chairs in pools?
Not a zero risk but a known risk. The adults would know the risks posed because the pool is on a roof, in the sun, near places that snakes can hide, or a wall that could be jumped off of. But the entrapment risk wouldn't be known to most normal adults.

Back in 1999 there was a big news story about Expeditions losing wheels at highway speeds. This led to crashes and fatalities. Normal adults knew that driving a car could mean that you get in a crash and that the faster you are going means that worse that crash would be. Normal adults knew that driving fast in an old, deteriorated car was risky. But these normal adults mitigated those risks. They were driving modern, safety -designed cars with new tires in a safe manner. Why were people dying in wrecks?

It was because of the wheels. They weren't designed/installed properly and were failing under normal, known and acceptable risk, situations. The unknown risk of the bad wheel design/installation was unacceptable and was fixed in a recall, as it should be.

Too bad the problem was discovered before the wrecks, because then there would be fewer families missing loved ones.

This potential chair gap problem has been discovered before anybody has gotten hurt. In a normal world it would be checked out and either fixed or verified to not be a problem.

And it doesn't mean that ''we can't have chairs". The fix could be as simple as raising the chair an inch or so to not pose as much of an entrapment risk or dropping it an inch or two so no kid's head can get under there.
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In reply to Burdizzo • 5:18p, 7/5/23
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Burdizzo said:
Seven Costanza said:
This is pool




If I was a toddler I would want to play under that bridge under the chairs. Looks like fun until I drowned


I'd be playing around and under those chairs as a 10 year old. Us kids do stupid things.
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In reply to Southlake • 6:11p, 7/5/23
Southlake said:
Dear [Manager],
m My F family and I stayed at the Texas A&M MSC Hotel this past Saturday and Sunday, July 1st-2nd. We had a great time. Your hotel and its services are top notch top-notch; exactly what I would expect at in Aggieland.

I do have one observation that I'd like to pass on to you: While swimming with my Ffamily in your roof top roof-top pool, I noticed what could be a dangerous life threatening life-threatening situation that could easily develop in your pool. The pool furniture that is situated in the shallow water on either side of the length of the pool is designed with a "wave" for seating comfort and style. It's also very heavy so as not to wash away or be wind blown.

The potential problem is that the upper curve in the pool chair allows space for a young child to get under the chair and be trapped underwater. The curve of the chair rises about 4 inches above the water making it inviting for a child, but does not give enough room to get a breath of air. The heavy chair will not allow a child to force their way up. In some cases, pool chairs are so close together that a child cannot swim or crawl out the other side. Also, in some cases, a pool mini-table is blocking the other side. But in either case, this is a potential death trap. I realize parents should be supervising their children in the pool, but this set up allows a child to silently be trapped under water - underwater; possibly while a parent is distracted in a social setting or possibly drinking an alcoholic beverage served on the pool deck.

Please take the time to have a look and study the situation and make it safer. I understand pool designs now make sure there is no possible way a person can get trapped underwater. For example, used to be that kids could get trapped between the metal pool ladder and the side of the pool. Now pool ladders are actually built into the side of the pool to prevent being stuck under water.

You know the saying that anything bad that can happen will eventually happen unless steps are taken for prevention[?] I believe this is a case where this rings true.

Please feel free to call or write to discuss this matter further.

Best Regards Thanks and Gig'em,

[Southlake] '80 (or some other old number)
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9:32p, 7/5/23
My complaint is that if you happen to get a room with the Boot Dance mural above the bed, it feels like your performance is being judged by 50 or so people, some of whom are laughing. Once you notice you can't unnotice and it kinda kills the mood.
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In reply to Anchorhold • 9:50a, 7/6/23
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10:41a, 7/6/23
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There's a reason why the IBC requires guardrails to have gaps small enough that a 4" sphere can't pass through it.

Good find, OP.
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In reply to Lt. Joe Bookman • 10:45a, 7/6/23
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Lt. Joe Bookman said:
There's a reason why the IBC requires guardrails to have gaps small enough that a 4" sphere can't pass through it.

Good find, OP.


Because of the phenomenon of a head being able to be pushed through banisters, but be able to be pulled out. There's absolutely nothing stopping a kid from getting out from under the chairs.
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10:46a, 7/6/23
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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:07a, 7/6/23
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AgLA06 said:
Lt. Joe Bookman said:
There's a reason why the IBC requires guardrails to have gaps small enough that a 4" sphere can't pass through it.

Good find, OP.


Because of the phenomenon of a head being able to be pushed through banisters, but be able to be pulled out. There's absolutely nothing stopping a kid from getting out from under the chairs.
It applies to between the bottom rail and the ground, which would be this situation.

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In reply to Lt. Joe Bookman • 11:08a, 7/6/23
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The ground is solid. Water isn't.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:10a, 7/6/23
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The bottom of the pool is?
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In reply to Lt. Joe Bookman • 11:37a, 7/6/23
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Lt. Joe Bookman said:
The bottom of the pool is?


Based on normal pool construction, there's typically at least 3" of water on a pool shelf because of depth needed for skimmers. You can see that in the background where the depth markers are on the side of the pool.

The bottom of the chair is above the water line. So it should more than meet the 4" sphere rule according. Not that even applies to movable furniture.

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Southlake
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4:28p, 7/6/23
A kid with his head stuck between bannisters can still breathe. A kid stuck under water under a very heavy chair cannot - especially when the child panics. There is also no room to turn around and go back out. Some of these chairs are very close together precluding getting out quickly.

All this conjecture doesn't matter. Iam pleased to tell you the the Security Manager for the Hotel called me this afternoon and said even though he realized a child could get under these chairs, they didn't realize how heavy they were. He said it was a hazard and they are taking steps to make it safe.

Yeah, I feel better now. Maybe a kid would have never been trapped; maybe one would have. Who knows?

But now that possibly doesn't exist.
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In reply to Southlake • 4:45p, 7/6/23
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Good job, Southlake.

Better safe than sorry.

Could I get you to write to the TMF about the NW Kyle Field escalators - someone WILL die if the problems are not fixed.
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In reply to Southlake • 5:13p, 7/6/23
Southlake said:
A kid with his head stuck between bannisters can still breathe. A kid stuck under water under a very heavy chair cannot - especially when the child panics. There is also no room to turn around and go back out. Some of these chairs are very close together precluding getting out quickly.

All this conjecture doesn't matter. Iam pleased to tell you the the Security Manager for the Hotel called me this afternoon and said even though he realized a child could get under these chairs, they didn't realize how heavy they were. He said it was a hazard and they are taking steps to make it safe.

Yeah, I feel better now. Maybe a kid would have never been trapped; maybe one would have. Who knows?

But now that possibly doesn't exist.
I.e., no more cool pool chairs.
If it saves one life, why not drain the pool, fill it with dirt, and call it good?
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In reply to Southlake • 5:28p, 7/6/23
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While you are at it, please tell them to eliminate the curbs at the entry/exit gates to the parking garage. I lined up on the bollards and could not see the curb. Curb sticks out well beyond the bollard. Scarred the hell out of my left front rim. May cost me $1000 or more to fix it.
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5:31p, 7/6/23
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Thank you Southlake.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 5:34p, 7/6/23
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Seven Costanza said:
This is pool



Sorry, I'll need to see some good looking women sun bathing on the chairs in order for me to make a proper assessment.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In reply to Lt. Joe Bookman • 6:04p, 7/6/23
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Lt. Joe Bookman said:
There's a reason why the IBC requires guardrails to have gaps small enough that a 4" sphere can't pass through it.

Good find, OP.


On the other hand the IBTC doesn't even recognize 4" spheres/globes at all. They just don't acknowledge them.
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In reply to BenFiasco14 • 6:50p, 7/6/23
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BenFiasco14 said:
Seven Costanza said:
This is pool



Sorry, I'll need to see some good looking women sun bathing on the chairs in order for me to make a proper assessment.


There won't be anymore.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 6:52p, 7/6/23
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AgLA06 said:
BenFiasco14 said:
Seven Costanza said:
This is pool



Sorry, I'll need to see some good looking women sun bathing on the chairs in order for me to make a proper assessment.


There won't be anymore.
Yep, those chairs will be removed...
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7:20p, 7/6/23
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I wonder how much risk there is swimming in other people's piss? I'll pass on the hotel pool
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8:10p, 7/6/23
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I've stayed at a number of places with this chair and pool setup (as recently as a few weeks ago in the bahamas), and I haven't seen a single kid drown yet. So I think it is fine.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 8:27p, 7/6/23
DannyDuberstein said:
I've stayed at a number of places with this chair and pool setup (as recently as a few weeks ago in the bahamas), and I haven't seen a single kid drown yet. So I think it is fine.

I've never seen a shooting
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In reply to hoosier-daddy • 7:13a, 7/7/23
I've never been in a nuclear attack either.

False equivalency is false.
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In reply to hoosier-daddy • 7:52a, 7/7/23
hoosier-daddy said:
DannyDuberstein said:
I've stayed at a number of places with this chair and pool setup (as recently as a few weeks ago in the bahamas), and I haven't seen a single kid drown yet. So I think it is fine.

I've never seen a shooting
Well then it can possibly happen. Especially since you stayed in the Bahamas…
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12:04p, 7/7/23
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Hey y'all, look at this thing I did. I think I did a very good thing. Do you all think I did a good thing? Please validate my actions in the comments below. Thanks!
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