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So you are somewhat correct, gas pressure cannot exist adjacent to a vacuum. If our atmosphere was 14 psi all the way up, it certainly would expand into that vacuum. But that is kinda what it did at creation (I disagree). The only thing holding it all together is gravity (which I acknowledge you don't believe in).

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What force is greater, gravity or the vacuum of space? I mean measurably stronger.

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Objects fall due to density, no gravity needed. Gravity is an unproven theory necessary only in astrophysics, which is entirely theoretical.

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There is also no logic here. Density is meaningless without gravitational forces. Without gravity, there is no driving force to move a more dense object or fluid through/under a less dense object or fluid. It moves because it weighs more. It weighs anything because of gravity...

I'm no expert, but my basic understanding is electromagnetic acceleration is the force drawing us downward, but to equate this to a force that draws objects in space together is quite a leap of logic. Especially, when it can not be replicated in any test here on earth. Density explains why materials stack in a column. For example, I jump off a cliff and fall, then land in a lake and float. Electromagnetic acceleration draws me to the negative ground (sky is positive). Density variant then overcomes the acceleration.

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Think about this hypothetical. We have a container that is just as tall as out atmosphere. We then connect a vacuum to the top end of it, a vacuum more powerful than we can replicate. Then we turn it on and begin drawing out the air in the container, which at Ultra-High Vacuum+ would happen instantaneously. Are you telling me that vacuum is going to leave a dense lawyer of breathable air at the bottom?

That's not how it works at all. We're not in a container at 14.7 psi up to the barrier with a complete vacuum on the other side of the barrier. Our atmosphere gradually decreases to 0 psi due to gravity. Idk why you're asking us to apply the concept based on your theory that gravity doesn't exist.

Again. The vacuum of space is nothingness. It isn't sucking anything.

TXAG 05 said:

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Again. The vacuum of space is nothingness. It isn't sucking anything.

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In his scenario, if gravity didn't exist, an endless vacuum of nothingness would definitely suck all the air out of our theoretical earth container. But gravity does exist, and we're not in a container, so it's nonsense.

Charpie said:

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I can't decide what's funnier.

1. Coin

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2. The people arguing with him

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I'm having a good time with it

Look you guys are getting way of in the weeds here.

The foundation of my believe is based on this:
1. There is no measurable curve of the earth.
2. There is no measurable motion of the earth.

There are many corroborating details and observable facts that do not make sense in the heliocentric model that add to my knowledge of flat earth; however, those are less decisive.

Our civilization is like a bunch of teenagers who think they know better than those who came before them, but they don't realize what they don't know.

I encourage those of you with questions to visit these sites.
Earth Group - Lots of discussion and evidence
Kaleb TikTok - quick bit size arguments
International Flat Earth Research Society - deep research
Flat Earth Memes

With that, I have to end our good time. There is lots of basketball on today, and I have work to do.

I'm not reading through all the bs to get this answer. Can someone that has explain to me how the flat earth people explain this:

Later this year I'm leaving Texas and flying over the east coast headed to Europe then Asia. On my return flight I fly over the rest of Asia then over the West coast back to Texas.

How do you flat earth people reasonably explain that?

HossAg said:

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That's not how it works at all. We're not in a container at 14.7 psi up to the barrier with a complete vacuum on the other side of the barrier. Our atmosphere gradually decreases to 0 psi due to gravity. Idk why you're asking us to apply the concept based on your theory that gravity doesn't exist.

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Look up what force is stronger, gravity or vacuum and then get back to me.
If you think gravity is going to hold air at the bottom you are delusional.

Good day.

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Look you guys are getting way of in the weeds here.

The foundation of my believe is based on this:
1. There is no measurable curve of the earth.
2. There is no measurable motion of the earth.

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So coriolis effect is nonsense to you?

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jbryan10 said:

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So you are somewhat correct, gas pressure cannot exist adjacent to a vacuum. If our atmosphere was 14 psi all the way up, it certainly would expand into that vacuum. But that is kinda what it did at creation (I disagree). The only thing holding it all together is gravity (which I acknowledge you don't believe in).

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What force is greater, gravity or the vacuum of space? I mean measurably stronger.

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Objects fall due to density, no gravity needed. Gravity is an unproven theory necessary only in astrophysics, which is entirely theoretical.

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There is also no logic here. Density is meaningless without gravitational forces. Without gravity, there is no driving force to move a more dense object or fluid through/under a less dense object or fluid. It moves because it weighs more. It weighs anything because of gravity...

I'm no expert, but my basic understanding is electromagnetic acceleration is the force drawing us downward, but to equate this to a force that draws objects in space together is quite a leap of logic. Especially, when it can not be replicated in any test here on earth. Density explains why materials stack in a column. For example, I jump off a cliff and fall, then land in a lake and float. Electromagnetic acceleration draws me to the negative ground (sky is positive). Density variant then overcomes the acceleration.

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Think about this hypothetical. We have a container that is just as tall as out atmosphere. We then connect a vacuum to the top end of it, a vacuum more powerful than we can replicate. Then we turn it on and begin drawing out the air in the container, which at Ultra-High Vacuum+ would happen instantaneously. Are you telling me that vacuum is going to leave a dense lawyer of breathable air at the bottom?

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Well, since vacuum is not a force, gravity is the stronger force. The "force" of a vacuum is coming from the pressurized source.

Sounds like you are simply redefining (incorrectly) gravity as electromagnetic acceleration. So earth is negative and sky is positive. If you hold a magnet with it's negative pole pointed to the sky, why does it not fly out of your hand into the sky? Since you're now applying a positive/negative charge to everything in existence, the same experiment would apply to any object. Since monopoles do not exist, in your electromagnetic world, anything you flip over would fly.

Where does the sky begin and end?

In your hypothetical, with your infinitely powerful vacuum (which again, isn't something applying a net force. It is just space for something else to expand into, but I'll play along):
1) if everything go sucked out, why would it happen instantaneously? Nothing happens instantaneously. Blow a hole in the ISS and all the air doesn't instantly disappear. It expands over time into space. Since you don't believe in those things, I'll use a practical earthly example. In a 30,000 psi pressure vessel, If I open a valve on top, the pressure in the vessel isn't instantly atmospheric. If in a more extreme example, the vessel wall fails and completely tears apart. The air inside still expands over time, not instantaneously. That is when chunks of the vessel go flying through the roof and into the parking lot a few building over. The gas previously contained in the vessel expands as it is escaping to atmosphere.
2) Since gravity (or in your case electromagnetism) exists, yes. There would still be something at the bottom of the container, being held by the interaction of its density with gravity (or the negative charge of the earth).

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That's not how it works at all. We're not in a container at 14.7 psi up to the barrier with a complete vacuum on the other side of the barrier. Our atmosphere gradually decreases to 0 psi due to gravity. Idk why you're asking us to apply the concept based on your theory that gravity doesn't exist.

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Look up what force is stronger, gravity or vacuum and then get back to me.
If you think gravity is going to hold air at the bottom you are delusional.

Good day.

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You have a misunderstanding of how gravity works. It's not like a force that's fighting an endless vacuum. It's a curvature of space time.

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I can't decide what's funnier.

1. Coin

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2. The people arguing with him

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I've been getting a kick out of this whole thread. So much so that I want to keep it going. If we don't argue with him, he goes away.

Unfortunately, it looks like he'll just walk away anyway once he faces something he can't explain away with a tiktok video.

I think one of my favorites so far was the astronaut doing a flip and "the string breaking". As he completes his flip and puts his feet on the floor, they hear a noise. OBVIOUSLY that was a string breaking LOL. Pay no attention to how he simply stands back up and doesn't fall face first into the floor.

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I'm not reading through all the bs to get this answer. Can someone that has explain to me how the flat earth people explain this:

Later this year I'm leaving Texas and flying over the east coast headed to Europe then Asia. On my return flight I fly over the rest of Asia then over the West coast back to Texas.

How do you flat earth people reasonably explain that?

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Have they reasonably explained anything?

Oh, I did want to come back and share a video I found fascinating.
Stars are not what you think

Have a great weekend!

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That's not how it works at all. We're not in a container at 14.7 psi up to the barrier with a complete vacuum on the other side of the barrier. Our atmosphere gradually decreases to 0 psi due to gravity. Idk why you're asking us to apply the concept based on your theory that gravity doesn't exist.

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Look up what force is stronger, gravity or vacuum and then get back to me.
If you think gravity is going to hold air at the bottom you are delusional.

Good day.

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Apples and oranges. You're comparing a di-pole force with a monopole force. Gravity may be weak, but it's all towards the center of mass.

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Oh, I did want to come back and share a video I found fascinating.
Stars are not what you think

Have a great weekend!

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Check this out
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CneotWVOygM/

This thread is just turning into both the satanic spherists and the flat earther spewing nonsense.

I guess I didn't realize house much of flat earth is just picking out random Bible verses and shoving them into existing science that wasn't even particularly controversial.

Like how young earth people decided like four verses undo everything we know about plate tectonics, biology, geology, chemistry, physics, just to name a few.

"But they described Leviathan and Beasts in the Bible! Obviously that means we walked among the dinosaurs. Checkmate, atheists and 95% of Christians!"

One question, if the moon is lit by the sun then why can't we see the sun when the moon can

Can we forget all of this nonsense and talk about the real ****, chem trails?

Coin said:

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If this is true, how do we have phases of the moon?

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Simple demonstration
The moon does not rotate the same speed as the sun. As it moves directly opposite to the sun it waxes, and as gets closer to the sun it wanes.

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OK, but in that demo they appear to be moving at the exact same speed around a central point. Or is that not a correct demonstration of what you believe?

Watch longer. It shows the "sun" overtaking the "moon"

I know Coin would happily show how you don't get sucked out a fake window to prove us all that the earth is flat by opening the hatch 100km altitude.

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Duckhook said:

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If this is true, how do we have phases of the moon?

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Simple demonstration
The moon does not rotate the same speed as the sun. As it moves directly opposite to the sun it waxes, and as gets closer to the sun it wanes.

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are the moon and sun and other planets spherical or flat?

They're not real. Just a trick by Big Astronomy to keep all of us sheep in line

Sheep often move in circles for long periods of time

Coin said:

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Kaleb TikTok - quick bit size arguments

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ok,

Helio-sexuals is very funny