I'm enrolled in an Instrumentation/Electronics program at a community college, about 60% of the program is oil layoffs like myself who had the experience but not the degree that kept me as s contractor instead of a company man once the downturn hit. Now I'm just being honest, 60% of the programs cheats. Cheating burned me the first course I took where i had to pass a final. The difference is most of the layoff guys kick ass in the labs because we can build the circuitry off a schematic and understand the functionality of things, but let's be honest Trig, .Physics, and what the molecules are doing in an electrical current didn't matter to us.

To the point, the professor delivered a raping of epic proportions, he also made every one get single file to come into the room and assigned seats and versions of the test. I studied my ass off and needed a 77 or higher to get a C. I think I got by, by a nose or bombed it.

Should I join the the party next semester and cheat just to get the **** over with or keep getting rocked by the science and bull**** I know I will never use for my line of work. Granted I've learned some new things, taking a class over is gonna blow.

Not an A&M affiliated school, so save me the Schpill on the Aggie code, I'm aware of it.

Nope. I put in the effort to study and prepare.

Cheated a little bit. Should have cheated a lot more.

i cheated my ass off in high school but actually did the work honestly in college.

unless adderall was cheating.

The only thing I did in college that could be construed as "cheating" would be working with other people on an open-book, take home exam after the professor asked us not to. However, all three of the times I recall doing that, I was the only person who really knew the material and contributed any substance to the exam answers, so I wouldn't say I cheated so much as I let other people cheat off of me.

Other than that.....no. I was a liberal arts major, and my classes were so ****ing easy that it was probably more work to try and cheat than it was to pay attention and get an A.

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The only thing I did in college that could be construed as "cheating" would be working with other people on an open-book, take home exam after the professor asked us not to. However, all three of the times I recall doing that, I was the only person who really knew the material and contributed any substance to the exam answers, so I wouldn't say I cheated so much as I let other people cheat off of me.

Other than that.....no. I was a liberal arts major, and my classes were so ****ing easy that it was probably more work to try and cheat than it was to pay attention and get an A.

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This. And it's really hard to cheat on writing a paper and not get caught. More effort than just writing a paper

Drank my way through but didn't cheat. Those four years of college were the best six years of my life!

I am positive this won't go as well as you hoped. I am in the industry myself and can attest to alot of what I digested curricular wise goes unused. With that said, trig, physics, and some chemistry is not part of the breath of knowledge that is a waste of time. Nor would very many people consider those all that difficult. Put in the extra effort and pass it on your own. The oil and gas industry is shuffling roles at the moment and they are expecting employees cover more roles. My suggestion is take whatever opportunity to truly expand your expertise. Learn this stuff. Don't just go for the diploma.

Wtf would you pay 100k plus to cheat?

Nope never cheated.

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I am positive this won't go as well as you hoped. I am in the industry myself and can attest to alot of what I digested curricular wise goes unused. With that said, trig, physics, and some chemistry is not part of the breath of knowledge that is a waste of time. Nor would very many people consider those all that difficult. Put in the extra effort and pass it on your own. The oil and gas industry is shuffling roles at the moment and they are expecting employees cover more roles. My suggestion is take whatever opportunity to truly expand your expertise. Learn this stuff. Don't just go for the diploma.

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Certainly don't think they're necessarily a waste, all knowledge is good knowledge, don't think I'm just a lazy dumbass, however I know it won't be something I'll use again after I leave the program most likely.

I have numerous friends who went through the same program I met through my prior jobs, and a lot of family in the industry, plus my own experience. I want to earn the grades and learn all of the material, but when I fail a class and tried, and then see people who cheated all the way up to the final get to coast into the room knowing they only needed a 40 to still get a C you kind of have to ask...

I know in the fall I'm tackling the classes with a fury and doing whatever I have to to seal the class up early. Not that I didn't study for the test, I did. But I always kind of had this thought in my mind, "like this is community college.." most of the kids (newly graduated hs kids) are walking, talking bags of ***** Well most of those kids are dropping fast, the program has probably dropped a third of the people that started it off.

Everyone in the core?

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I don't know about your physics. But, your German sucks.

Were they even enrolled in classes? I thought they just trolled around campus in dumb uniforms yelling weird **** at each other.

Straight out of HS I say do it honest.


Already have a degree and experience, working full time with a family, and taking extra courses to earn a cert or a 2nd degree but the material in the course will never be used at work? Just cheat.

You said "let's be honest" or a variant thereof three times in the OP and then asked if you should cheat. Seems a bit contradictory.

I'm not reading all that. Can someone read it for me and send me a short list of the most important parts?

Beer Baron said:

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I'm not reading all that. Can someone read it for me and send me a short list of the most important parts?

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The whole thread sucks. Hth

Beer Baron said:

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I'm not reading all that. Can someone read it for me and send me a short list of the most important parts?

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The OP cheated his way through high school English and wants to know if he is ok to do the same as a nontraditional college student.

Something something if you're friends jumped off a cliff....

Don't be an idiot. Just study like you're supposed to, get tutoring if needed, and earn your degree. The fact that you even asked the question means you already know you shouldn't cheat.

Never cheated, failed a couple of classes instead!

Never cheated. In the hard sciences you learn it because ur success in the next class depends on understanding the fundamentals that you learn now. If you cheat you just have to cheat harder next semester so overall not worth it.

And the electives are all easier than your course material so no point cheating on them.

I am also going to very briefly go teacher mode on you and say that learning the material is important but learning how to learn the material is even more important, both from an ethics perspective as well as a personal development perspective.

One of the things that a lot of people miss about the learning process is that simply forcing your brain to do the work helps you develop the skills necessary to keep learning.

So, if you are talking about taking the tests themselves, without cheating, what part of the course work are you cheating on and whAt method are you using?

Also, literally every school has an honor code that says the same thing as A&M's, so stop with the "woe is me" and "everyone else is doing it" crap.

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i cheated my ass off in high school but actually did the work honestly in college.

unless adderall was cheating.

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This...never cheated through school but when it got down to my last semester I popped a couple adderall to study and then take the finals. That stuff is awesome!

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Drank my way through but didn't cheat. Those four years of college were the best six years of my life!

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I can +1 to this! My employers could tell that I didn't cheat in college, I was just very persistent and didn't mind taking a class 3 times

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Straight out of HS I say do it honest.


Already have a degree and experience, working full time with a family, and taking extra courses to earn a cert or a 2nd degree but the material in the course will never be used at work? Just cheat.

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Thanks, someone gets it.

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I don't know about your physics. But, your German sucks.

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Took Spanish..

Never have cheated without doing the work first. If that makes sense. I can think of two times at least I left a worksheet or something at home(that I completed) by mistake and then just printed a blank copy and panic copied form someone else to avoid a zero. To me I actually need to do the work to learn the material. I have learned the hard way that I have to take the brute force approach to college. I am not one of those gifted with the ability to take a text book and teach themselves a STEM class by themselves just by reading it once. Cheating will not help in the long term.

I am not sure you can equate that to cheating though. Or are you referring to actual cheating, like hiding a cheatsheet for a test, or looking at another persons's work during an exam?

I never cheated, but I did make 100s on some Physics 208 and Physics 218 exams which blew the curve for everyone. Good times.

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Never have cheated without doing the work first. If that makes sense. I can think of two times at least I left a worksheet or something at home(that I completed) by mistake and then just printed a blank copy and panic copied form someone else to avoid a zero. To me I actually need to do the work to learn the material. I have learned the hard way that I have to take the brute force approach to college. I am not one of those gifted with the ability to take a text book and teach themselves a STEM class by themselves just by reading it once. Cheating will not help in the long term.

I am not sure you can equate that to cheating though. Or are you referring to actual cheating, like hiding a cheatsheet for a test, or looking at another persons's work during an exam?

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Well for this class a majority of the younger kids have buddies who just finished the program or are a year ahead, the teacher didn't change the exams for this class at all, they've got their little circle jerk test bank. They offered me the answers and I declined. A majority of the class got 90's on all three tests by putting the choices in their Calc, I even know a little ***** turned in three test for three 100's, then he'd bomb the pop quizzes and just sit in a lab group to get a free grade. Not gonna lie it pisses me off, I know it's just one class, but on our second of three test he threw in a few different versions and people made zero's and fives. Which did cause a few to bomb the class as well.

I informed the prof/proctor when I was aware of cheating during an exam.

Got caught copying someone's homework in a junior college dual credit course while I was in high school. All of us seniors would do our homework in the morning together before school. I had been late and copied a friend's. Got caught. Was kicked off our state-ranked playoff bound soccer team which proceeded to lose in the 1st round.

Never cheated myself after that.

I did let a sorostitute cheat of me in ARCH 249 as a freshman. The rewards were worth it at the time. She'd sit behind me and could look over my shoulder, thus giving me plausible deniability. She nearly lost her mind when I was late for the final.

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The rewards were worth it at the time.

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2 hole?

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I informed the prof/proctor when I was aware of cheating during an exam.

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I bet you think curves on test are for ******* and liberals too...