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Hybrid Theory comes to mind. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP also, which opened up so many eyes to Eminem.

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Yes, let's compare hybrid theory, anything from eminem to say...Led Zeppelin I - IV. Clearly slim shady and nu metal has the edge.

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Yall old farts can take your classic rock and enjoy it in the old folks home.

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It's called CLASSIC for a reason, punk. There's a reason why so much music from that late 60's/70's/early 80's time period is still being played. Because it outshines pretty much anything since.

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Hybrid Theory comes to mind. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP also, which opened up so many eyes to Eminem.

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Yes, let's compare hybrid theory, anything from eminem to say...Led Zeppelin I - IV. Clearly slim shady and nu metal has the edge.

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Yall old farts can take your classic rock and enjoy it in the old folks home.

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It's called CLASSIC for a reason, punk. There's a reason why so much music from that late 60's/70's/early 80's time period is still being played. Because it outshines pretty much anything since.

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80s and 90s rock will be played till the end of time as well.

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Hybrid Theory comes to mind. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP also, which opened up so many eyes to Eminem.

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Yes, let's compare hybrid theory, anything from eminem to say...Led Zeppelin I - IV. Clearly slim shady and nu metal has the edge.

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Yall old farts can take your classic rock and enjoy it in the old folks home.

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It's called CLASSIC for a reason, punk. There's a reason why so much music from that late 60's/70's/early 80's time period is still being played. Because it outshines pretty much anything since.

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your classic rock has been moved to the oldies radio. Hth

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Hybrid Theory comes to mind. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP also, which opened up so many eyes to Eminem.

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Yall old farts can take your classic rock and enjoy it in the old folks home.

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It's called CLASSIC for a reason, punk. There's a reason why so much music from that late 60's/70's/early 80's time period is still being played. Because it outshines pretty much anything since.

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your classic rock has been moved to the oldies radio. Hth

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Not in Dallas. The only rock station that plays current rock charts also plays plenty of classic rock.

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The problem for rock in the 90s is that it is so heavily front loaded with good stuff up to about 96, but the second half of the 90s was by and large terrible. By that point the 'alternative' sound had just become a copy of a copy of a copy. There were certainly some great albums in the second half of the 90s, but for every 'OK Computer', there were 4-5 'My Own Prisons'.

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Easily solution to this, and it's what I was going to say anyway.

86-95. Why? (I've included mostly rock, but some landmark albums of other genres as well)


1986 - Master of Puppets, peace sells, reign in blood, slippery when wet, graceland, true blue, invisible touch

1987 - joshua tree, Bad, appetite, permanent vacation, document, kick, faith, cloud nine, whitney, ocean front property, always and forever

1988 - operation mindcrime, straight outta compton, and justice for all, rattle and hum, wilburys, open up and say ahh, skid row, money for nothing, journey greatest hits, fleetwood mac greatest hits

1989 - like a prayer, full moon fever, Garth, batman, pauls boutique, dr. feelgood, Pump, pretty hate machine, flying in a blue dream

1990 - shake your money maker, violator, mariah, mother love bone, cowboys from hell, facelift, to the extreme, hammer don't hurt em, rust in peace, seasons in abyss, immaculate collection, no fences, livin it up

And then grunge and 90s alternative (and the black album) took over, along with more landmarks in hip hop/rap/pop like dre, snoop, big, tupac, beasties, en vogue, tlc, mariah, etc., so I don't have to list 1991-1995. It leaves out the late 90s which was good at the time, but much of it hasn't held up. It all stemmed from its better early 90s predecessors.



That's a pretty good 10 year span. It includes classic metal, classic 80s/arena rock, classic grunge/alternative, classic hip hop and pop, and a few country landmarks, including the arrival of Garth and 90s country.

That's a lot of 'classic'. No other 10 year span on this board so far has that many classic varieties/genres.

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Wrong.

A. Can't include friggin' greatest hits albums with songs that came out prior to the time frame in question.
B. Anything where Skid Row is considered a standout is automatically disqualified.
C. True Blue? Are you serious Clark?

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OK tough guy, take the THREE greatest hits albums out.. big whoop, they didn't define my list.

yeh yeh skid row.. point of them being there is they were easily top 5 of the hair bands, and that is their biggest album, and would never be left off a list of best 80s hair band albums.
But again, if you insist, take it out.. perhaps it makes my list even stronger.

Now True blue.. uh, that's Madonna's highest selling (25 million) and highest charting (#1 in 28 countries) album. The highest selling album of 1986, highest selling female artist album of the 80s, 34 consecutive weeks on top of EU chart (still a record), 3 #1 songs, 2 others in top 5..

So I don't know what to say to you about that. I'm hardly a madonna fan, but that album's stats are ridiculous.

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Who cares how many albums were sold? That, in and of itself, doesn't mean an album was great. Hootie and the Blowfish "Cracked Rear View" has out-sold Pink Floyd's Darkside of the Moon, does that make it a better album? Is Shania Twain's "Come On Over" better than the White album because it sold a million more?

This is about great music, not great profits. Madonna has NEVER made great music. Some catchy pop stuff that was very well marketed? Yes. Great music? No.

And best "hair band" is an accolade similar to "Arky with the most teeth". Sure it can be argued, but why?

The era of 66-75 is replete with genre-defining music, albums, and songs.

Black Sabbath invented Heavy Metal in 1970
Funk was born and came of age during this span.
The best works of the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Eagles, and Bob Dylan were produced during this era.
Disco was born of this era (for better or ill).
Punk Rock had it's beginnings at CBGB in 1974.

86-95 doesn't even hold a candle to 66-74.

The Simpsons already answered this question very specifically a long time ago. I'm surprised it took until page two for someone to realize this:

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Hybrid Theory comes to mind. The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP also, which opened up so many eyes to Eminem.

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Yes, let's compare hybrid theory, anything from eminem to say...Led Zeppelin I - IV. Clearly slim shady and nu metal has the edge.

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Yall old farts can take your classic rock and enjoy it in the old folks home.

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It's called CLASSIC for a reason, punk. There's a reason why so much music from that late 60's/70's/early 80's time period is still being played. Because it outshines pretty much anything since.

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your classic rock has been moved to the oldies radio. Hth

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Maybe in your backwards only AM-radio country talk and oldtime gospel listening town.

100% agree. And you're not even including R&B stars like Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder, Al Green, James Brown etc.

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100% agree. And you're not even including R&B stars like Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder, Al Green, James Brown etc.

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Damn Straight!

Add to that Bill Withers, CCR, Simon and Garfunkel, Aretha Freaking Franklin, the list goes on and on.

I'm 30 and going to agree with 66 to 75. Too many iconic artists and songs. Modern music just isn't the same especially rock. I like some new stuff and all but outside of a few bands I just don't see much of the modern stuff holding up with time.

The decade that started when this song was released.

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100% agree. And you're not even including R&B stars like Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder, Al Green, James Brown etc.

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Some pretty good ones from 76-77:

Hotel California - The Eagles
Night Moves - Bob Seger
Book of Dreams - Steve Miller Band
Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
Foreigner - Foreigner
Aja - Steely Dan

NPR piece with book author David Hepworth claiming 1971 was the single best year in rock.

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/483081336/author-david-hepworth-on-rock-and-roll-s-best-year-ever

Posits 1966 was the most explosive year for rock.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-1966-rock-explosive-year-20160803-snap-htmlstory.html

65 Songs: Journey through rock 'n' roll history. 10 second songs.

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Depends on your genre. For trance and progressive, 2000-2010. Rock/Alternative, 1989-1999

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Not a bad call either, but you still need 7 more years. Since about 2011-2012 a lot of the mainstream stuff has gotten almost unlistenable, I'm really hoping that things change again and producers stop trying to cram everything they can think of into one track because it just turns into a huge mess.

I love this thread. I'm too lazy to do the math, but I'm a Lynyrd Skynryd, Marshall Tucker, Allman Brothers decade kind of guy. Throw some Carlos Santana in there, and I'm all good.

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The problem for rock in the 90s is that it is so heavily front loaded with good stuff up to about 96, but the second half of the 90s was by and large terrible. By that point the 'alternative' sound had just become a copy of a copy of a copy. There were certainly some great albums in the second half of the 90s, but for every 'OK Computer', there were 4-5 'My Own Prisons'.

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Easily solution to this, and it's what I was going to say anyway.

86-95. Why? (I've included mostly rock, but some landmark albums of other genres as well)


1986 - Master of Puppets, peace sells, reign in blood, slippery when wet, graceland, true blue, invisible touch

1987 - joshua tree, Bad, appetite, permanent vacation, document, kick, faith, cloud nine, whitney, ocean front property, always and forever

1988 - operation mindcrime, straight outta compton, and justice for all, rattle and hum, wilburys, open up and say ahh, skid row, money for nothing, journey greatest hits, fleetwood mac greatest hits

1989 - like a prayer, full moon fever, Garth, batman, pauls boutique, dr. feelgood, Pump, pretty hate machine, flying in a blue dream

1990 - shake your money maker, violator, mariah, mother love bone, cowboys from hell, facelift, to the extreme, hammer don't hurt em, rust in peace, seasons in abyss, immaculate collection, no fences, livin it up

And then grunge and 90s alternative (and the black album) took over, along with more landmarks in hip hop/rap/pop like dre, snoop, big, tupac, beasties, en vogue, tlc, mariah, etc., so I don't have to list 1991-1995. It leaves out the late 90s which was good at the time, but much of it hasn't held up. It all stemmed from its better early 90s predecessors.



That's a pretty good 10 year span. It includes classic metal, classic 80s/arena rock, classic grunge/alternative, classic hip hop and pop, and a few country landmarks, including the arrival of Garth and 90s country.

That's a lot of 'classic'. No other 10 year span on this board so far has that many classic varieties/genres.

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Wrong.

A. Can't include friggin' greatest hits albums with songs that came out prior to the time frame in question.
B. Anything where Skid Row is considered a standout is automatically disqualified.
C. True Blue? Are you serious Clark?

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OK tough guy, take the THREE greatest hits albums out.. big whoop, they didn't define my list.

yeh yeh skid row.. point of them being there is they were easily top 5 of the hair bands, and that is their biggest album, and would never be left off a list of best 80s hair band albums.
But again, if you insist, take it out.. perhaps it makes my list even stronger.

Now True blue.. uh, that's Madonna's highest selling (25 million) and highest charting (#1 in 28 countries) album. The highest selling album of 1986, highest selling female artist album of the 80s, 34 consecutive weeks on top of EU chart (still a record), 3 #1 songs, 2 others in top 5..

So I don't know what to say to you about that. I'm hardly a madonna fan, but that album's stats are ridiculous.

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This is about great music, not great profits. Madonna has NEVER made great music. Some catchy pop stuff that was very well marketed? Yes. Great music? No.

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If you're going to compare what madonna did to music to that of hootie and the fish, I don't think you belong in this discussion.

I suppose you think MJ was just a well marketed, catchy pop song singer too?

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The problem for rock in the 90s is that it is so heavily front loaded with good stuff up to about 96, but the second half of the 90s was by and large terrible. By that point the 'alternative' sound had just become a copy of a copy of a copy. There were certainly some great albums in the second half of the 90s, but for every 'OK Computer', there were 4-5 'My Own Prisons'.

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Easily solution to this, and it's what I was going to say anyway.

86-95. Why? (I've included mostly rock, but some landmark albums of other genres as well)


1986 - Master of Puppets, peace sells, reign in blood, slippery when wet, graceland, true blue, invisible touch

1987 - joshua tree, Bad, appetite, permanent vacation, document, kick, faith, cloud nine, whitney, ocean front property, always and forever

1988 - operation mindcrime, straight outta compton, and justice for all, rattle and hum, wilburys, open up and say ahh, skid row, money for nothing, journey greatest hits, fleetwood mac greatest hits

1989 - like a prayer, full moon fever, Garth, batman, pauls boutique, dr. feelgood, Pump, pretty hate machine, flying in a blue dream

1990 - shake your money maker, violator, mariah, mother love bone, cowboys from hell, facelift, to the extreme, hammer don't hurt em, rust in peace, seasons in abyss, immaculate collection, no fences, livin it up

And then grunge and 90s alternative (and the black album) took over, along with more landmarks in hip hop/rap/pop like dre, snoop, big, tupac, beasties, en vogue, tlc, mariah, etc., so I don't have to list 1991-1995. It leaves out the late 90s which was good at the time, but much of it hasn't held up. It all stemmed from its better early 90s predecessors.



That's a pretty good 10 year span. It includes classic metal, classic 80s/arena rock, classic grunge/alternative, classic hip hop and pop, and a few country landmarks, including the arrival of Garth and 90s country.

That's a lot of 'classic'. No other 10 year span on this board so far has that many classic varieties/genres.

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Wrong.

A. Can't include friggin' greatest hits albums with songs that came out prior to the time frame in question.
B. Anything where Skid Row is considered a standout is automatically disqualified.
C. True Blue? Are you serious Clark?

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OK tough guy, take the THREE greatest hits albums out.. big whoop, they didn't define my list.

yeh yeh skid row.. point of them being there is they were easily top 5 of the hair bands, and that is their biggest album, and would never be left off a list of best 80s hair band albums.
But again, if you insist, take it out.. perhaps it makes my list even stronger.

Now True blue.. uh, that's Madonna's highest selling (25 million) and highest charting (#1 in 28 countries) album. The highest selling album of 1986, highest selling female artist album of the 80s, 34 consecutive weeks on top of EU chart (still a record), 3 #1 songs, 2 others in top 5..

So I don't know what to say to you about that. I'm hardly a madonna fan, but that album's stats are ridiculous.

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This is about great music, not great profits. Madonna has NEVER made great music. Some catchy pop stuff that was very well marketed? Yes. Great music? No.

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If you're going to compare what madonna did to music to that of hootie and the fish, I don't think you belong in this discussion.

I suppose you think MJ was just a well marketed, catchy pop song singer too?

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MJ was the king of pop... so, if the crown fits... Michael Jackson was possibly the greatest entertainer of all time. Was he a great musician or lyricist? I would say no.

As for Madonna, she NEVER made great music. List her greatest songs. It's all just pop fluff. It's all meh. Her influence is seen in performance, not in music. She made her name by dry-humping the stage during the Grammys.

When did "Wishing Well" come out?

The correct answer is any span that includes that day

1988.

Oh, did I say that out loud?

1965 to 1975

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The problem for rock in the 90s is that it is so heavily front loaded with good stuff up to about 96, but the second half of the 90s was by and large terrible. By that point the 'alternative' sound had just become a copy of a copy of a copy. There were certainly some great albums in the second half of the 90s, but for every 'OK Computer', there were 4-5 'My Own Prisons'.

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Easily solution to this, and it's what I was going to say anyway.

86-95. Why? (I've included mostly rock, but some landmark albums of other genres as well)


1986 - Master of Puppets, peace sells, reign in blood, slippery when wet, graceland, true blue, invisible touch

1987 - joshua tree, Bad, appetite, permanent vacation, document, kick, faith, cloud nine, whitney, ocean front property, always and forever

1988 - operation mindcrime, straight outta compton, and justice for all, rattle and hum, wilburys, open up and say ahh, skid row, money for nothing, journey greatest hits, fleetwood mac greatest hits

1989 - like a prayer, full moon fever, Garth, batman, pauls boutique, dr. feelgood, Pump, pretty hate machine, flying in a blue dream

1990 - shake your money maker, violator, mariah, mother love bone, cowboys from hell, facelift, to the extreme, hammer don't hurt em, rust in peace, seasons in abyss, immaculate collection, no fences, livin it up

And then grunge and 90s alternative (and the black album) took over, along with more landmarks in hip hop/rap/pop like dre, snoop, big, tupac, beasties, en vogue, tlc, mariah, etc., so I don't have to list 1991-1995. It leaves out the late 90s which was good at the time, but much of it hasn't held up. It all stemmed from its better early 90s predecessors.



That's a pretty good 10 year span. It includes classic metal, classic 80s/arena rock, classic grunge/alternative, classic hip hop and pop, and a few country landmarks, including the arrival of Garth and 90s country.

That's a lot of 'classic'. No other 10 year span on this board so far has that many classic varieties/genres.

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Wrong.

A. Can't include friggin' greatest hits albums with songs that came out prior to the time frame in question.
B. Anything where Skid Row is considered a standout is automatically disqualified.
C. True Blue? Are you serious Clark?

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OK tough guy, take the THREE greatest hits albums out.. big whoop, they didn't define my list.

yeh yeh skid row.. point of them being there is they were easily top 5 of the hair bands, and that is their biggest album, and would never be left off a list of best 80s hair band albums.
But again, if you insist, take it out.. perhaps it makes my list even stronger.

Now True blue.. uh, that's Madonna's highest selling (25 million) and highest charting (#1 in 28 countries) album. The highest selling album of 1986, highest selling female artist album of the 80s, 34 consecutive weeks on top of EU chart (still a record), 3 #1 songs, 2 others in top 5..

So I don't know what to say to you about that. I'm hardly a madonna fan, but that album's stats are ridiculous.

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This is about great music, not great profits. Madonna has NEVER made great music. Some catchy pop stuff that was very well marketed? Yes. Great music? No.

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If you're going to compare what madonna did to music to that of hootie and the fish, I don't think you belong in this discussion.

I suppose you think MJ was just a well marketed, catchy pop song singer too?

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MJ was the king of pop... so, if the crown fits... Michael Jackson was possibly the greatest entertainer of all time. Was he a great musician or lyricist? I would say no.

As for Madonna, she NEVER made great music. List her greatest songs. It's all just pop fluff. It's all meh. Her influence is seen in performance, not in music. She made her name by dry-humping the stage during the Grammys.

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The minute you take MJs music out of the 'best music' discussion because you think he's an entertainer and nothing more, I've realize I can't argue with you.

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Oh, did I say that out loud?

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Best year ever for music